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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#1101 » by Wooderson » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:40 am

Skin wrote:Restricted FA is nice when a team drafts well enough to take advantage of it. Just looking back at the last 8/9 years that hasn't been kind to the Bucks. We both know they are taking the available one between Wiggins/Parker, but I believe that is the case because the Bucks are afraid of taking the "mystery man" of the draft. They can't afford to repeat a Yi Jianlian experiment using a Top pick. They have to get a Superstar even if that means taking one at a position where you already have promise in Giannis.

Can I ask you a question? Why Exum over Smart?


RFA still gives you 8 to 9 years. I was just responding to your line that he might leave after his rookie contract. In a market like Milwaukee you have to build a great team otherwise they're likely to leave. And the draft is the only way for us to acquire top tier players.

As far as Exum vs Smart, I think Exum has a better combination of physical tools / skills. His first step and dribbling ability are going to be elite. Love his in-and-out/hesitation dribble and ability to change direction on a dime (euro-stepping ability like Manu, maybe even faster). I think he just has a better feel for the game and how to attack angles than Smart. He also seems to have better vision and will be a more effective primary playmaker.

Jumpshot/defense are his biggest question marks. Jumper is one of the easier thing to improve in the modern NBA though for a young guy and Exum is trending upwards (33% at FIBA from 3 on high volume, mostly unassisted). Defense he has the physical tools to cover either guard spot at a high level, but still has a long way to go in that regard.

I really like Smart too and have him 5th after Embiid/Exum/Wiggins/Smart. He's going to be an elite defender. I just have serious questions about how he fares as a primary playmaker in the NBA whereas I think Exum is more likely to become top tier there.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Smart become the better player but I think Exum has a higher ceiling, and because the Bucks are far away from contention I'd rather take him.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#1102 » by Skin » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:44 am

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Skin wrote:Restricted FA is nice when a team drafts well enough to take advantage of it. Just looking back at the last 8/9 years that hasn't been kind to the Bucks. We both know they are taking the available one between Wiggins/Parker, but I believe that is the case because the Bucks are afraid of taking the "mystery man" of the draft. They can't afford to repeat a Yi Jianlian experiment using a Top pick. They have to get a Superstar even if that means taking one at a position where you already have promise in Giannis.

Can I ask you a question? Why Exum over Smart?


RFA still gives you 8 to 9 years. I was just responding to your line that he might leave after his rookie contract. In a market like Milwaukee you have to build a great team otherwise they're likely to leave. And the draft is the only way for us to acquire top tier players.

As far as Exum vs Smart, I think Exum has a better combination of physical tools / skills. His first step and dribbling ability are going to be elite. Love his in-and-out/hesitation dribble and ability to change direction on a dime (euro-stepping ability like Manu, maybe even faster). I think he just has a better feel for the game and how to attack angles than Smart. He also seems to have better vision and will be a more effective primary playmaker.

Jumpshot/defense are his biggest question marks. Jumper is probably the easiest thing to improve in the modern NBA though for a young guy and Exum is trending upwards (33% at FIBA from 3 on high volume, mostly unassisted). Defense he has the physical tools to cover either guard spot at a high level, but still has a long way to go in that regard.

I really like Smart too though and have him 5th after Embiid/Exum/Wiggins/Smart. He's going to be an elite defender. I just have serious questions about how he fares as a primary playmaker in the NBA whereas I think Exum is more likely to become top tier there.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Smart become the better player but I think Exum has a higher ceiling, and because the Bucks are far away from contention I'd rather take him.

So why did he not talk to the media? It just seemed like a really odd thing to deny.

Also, with Wiggins or Parker, what becomes of Giannis?
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#1103 » by Wooderson » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:56 am

Skin wrote:So why did he not talk to the media? It just seemed like a really odd thing to deny.

Also, with Wiggins or Parker, what becomes of Giannis?


His agent told him not to talk to the media. I'm guessing most of the questions would have been about his LA comment, something which he already answered. He really had nothing to gain by talking to them. I don't think it's a big deal because the team was able to interview/talk to him as much as they wanted.

I think both Wiggins/Parker fit in well with Giannis because he's so versatile. In the modern NBA defined positions are becoming less and less important. As long as you can defend and have spacing/passing on offense, you'll be fine. Wiggins/Parker should at minimum become good 3 point shooters and Giannis will provide playmaking. Defense I'm not worried about at all if we draft Wiggins. If we draft Parker, Giannis's versatility should eventually allow him to take the tougher forward match-up, though if we need to define positions Parker is more of a PF.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#1104 » by Skin » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:02 am

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Skin wrote:So why did he not talk to the media? It just seemed like a really odd thing to deny.

Also, with Wiggins or Parker, what becomes of Giannis?


His agent told him not to talk to the media. I'm guessing most of the questions would have been about his LA comment, something which he already answered. He really had nothing to gain by talking to them. I don't think it's a big deal because the team was able to interview/talk to him as much as they wanted.

I think both Wiggins/Parker fit in well with Giannis because he's so versatile. In the modern NBA defined positions are becoming less and less important. As long as you can defend and have spacing/passing on offense, you'll be fine. Wiggins/Parker should at minimum become good 3 point shooters and Giannis will provide playmaking. Defense I'm not worried about at all if we draft Wiggins. If we draft Parker, Giannis's versatility should eventually allow him to take the tougher forward match-up, though if we need to define positions Parker is more of a PF.

I guess that's the best guess out there. Not talking to the media just comes across as being a diva against the city.

SF Giannis
PF Parker

and

SG Wiggins
SF Giannis

?

I wouldn't blame you at all for taking Exum ahead of either of those 2 guys. Unless you traded Giannis. Parker's NBA future is at SF. Same with Wiggins. Giannis is not as versatile as people think if he won't move to SG or PF.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#1105 » by Wooderson » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:07 am

Skin wrote:SF Giannis
PF Parker

and

SG Wiggins
SF Giannis

?

I wouldn't blame you at all for taking Exum ahead of either of those 2 guys. Unless you traded Giannis. Parker's NBA future is at SF. Same with Wiggins. Giannis is not as versatile as people think if he won't move to SG or PF.


Parker is a 4 on defense. He's 6' 9'', 6' 11.75'' wingspan, 8' 11.5'' standing reach. His size is more than adequate for a PF. He's not quick enough to cover most of the 3s in the modern NBA which is trending towards small ball.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#1106 » by thelead » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:09 am

Wooderson wrote:
Skin wrote:SF Giannis
PF Parker

and

SG Wiggins
SF Giannis

?

I wouldn't blame you at all for taking Exum ahead of either of those 2 guys. Unless you traded Giannis. Parker's NBA future is at SF. Same with Wiggins. Giannis is not as versatile as people think if he won't move to SG or PF.


Parker is a 4 on defense. He's 6' 9'', 6' 11.75'' wingspan, 8' 11.5'' standing reach. His size is more than adequate for a PF. He's not quick enough to cover most of the 3s in the modern NBA which is trending towards small ball.



I agree with you. Before the lotto, I was hoping for a PF:Parker/SF:Harris lineup.
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Post#1107 » by Wooderson » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:16 am

thelead wrote:I agree with you. Before the lotto, I was hoping for a PF:Parker/SF:Harris lineup.


That would have been extremely fun to watch on offense, so many threats to score in various ways (especially with Vuc's midrange game/passing). I'd be a bit worried about that front court D though.
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Post#1108 » by OrlChamps2030 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:21 am

Giannis actually fits in pretty well with Parker. Parker will be a PF, you have to play the position you can defend. Hes the prototype smallball 4
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Post#1109 » by Skin » Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:59 am

Zmill wrote:Giannis actually fits in pretty well with Parker. Parker will be a PF, you have to play the position you can defend. Hes the prototype smallball 4

Smallball is an adjustment lineup, not a starting lineup. He might be the prototype for it, but that's not neccessarily a good thing. Smallball PFs typically will struggle defensively against traditional PFs with the advantage of being quicker or create more spacing on offense. Parker at PF for us next to Vucevic is not the best idea I would come up with. I liked what I saw of his improvement after getting in better shape and when you combine that with his 6'11 wingspan that combination could make up for the perceptions that exist out there that he can't defend the 3. ...which is an overrated opinion anyways. Lebron, KD and George are great defenders but they don't shut each other down offensively.

I will admit that Parker fits MIL better than ORL at PF, but I think if CLE takes him he's going to be a starting SF.
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Post#1110 » by thelead » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:00 am

Wooderson wrote:
thelead wrote:I agree with you. Before the lotto, I was hoping for a PF:Parker/SF:Harris lineup.


That would have been extremely fun to watch on offense, so many threats to score in various ways (especially with Vuc's midrange game/passing). I'd be a bit worried about that front court D though.

The defense would have been a huge concern but hey, it was just a dream :cry:
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Post#1111 » by Orlwillbeback » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:03 am

thelead wrote:
Wooderson wrote:
thelead wrote:I agree with you. Before the lotto, I was hoping for a PF:Parker/SF:Harris lineup.


That would have been extremely fun to watch on offense, so many threats to score in various ways (especially with Vuc's midrange game/passing). I'd be a bit worried about that front court D though.

The defense would have been a huge concern but hey, it was just a dream :cry:

iam gonna go out on a limb here and say that team would be good enough on offense that they could play lax defense and still easily win games.
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Post#1112 » by JF5 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:17 am

Zmill wrote:Giannis actually fits in pretty well with Parker. Parker will be a PF, you have to play the position you can defend. Hes the prototype smallball 4


Plus they have Larry Sanders... So they can mask Jabari's defensive troubles...

Its a perfect fit if you ask me...
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Post#1113 » by SOUL » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:48 pm

Bill and Jalen still think we end up with Exum, FWIW.

Says we should take Embiid if he's still there, though.
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Post#1114 » by G-Heel » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:19 am

This thread is dying, seems like many people gives up thinking he's out of our reach. I still think Exum will be there when we draft. Cavs and 6ers are going to posture and do their little dances, then compromise and exchange their picks and get who they wanted all along.
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Post#1115 » by T12 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:27 am

G-Heel wrote:This thread is dying, seems like many people gives up thinking he's out of our reach. I still think Exum will be there when we draft. Cavs and 6ers are going to posture and do their little dances, then compromise and exchange their picks and get who they wanted all along.


I am with you. It's going to be Jabari to Milwaukee, Wiggins to 76ers, Embiid to Cleveland, Exum to us... In some order

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Post#1116 » by THarris12 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:40 am

Hope you guys are right. Would love to have Exum on Thursday.
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Post#1117 » by Hogified05 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:32 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmu7UqAyC5E[/youtube]

haha these commercials are pretty good. he has like 5 of these. Seems to have a little bit of a personality. Dang hopefully he still falls to us.
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Post#1118 » by G-Heel » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:43 am

Hogified05 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmu7UqAyC5E[/youtube]

haha these commercials are pretty good. he has like 5 of these. Seems to have a little bit of a personality. Dang hopefully he still falls to us.


These commercials give him +1 bonus point. Embiid's agent being a dick and only releasing his records to possibly Celtics and Lakers got Embiid -1 point. Things are looking up for Exum.
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Post#1119 » by Skin » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:12 am

Hogified05 wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmu7UqAyC5E[/youtube]

haha these commercials are pretty good. he has like 5 of these. Seems to have a little bit of a personality. Dang hopefully he still falls to us.

Those are hilarious! Thanks for sharing. My horny meter for Exum just went up a few notches. lolz :lol:
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Post#1120 » by MellowRose » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:15 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhctN-AC7Ho[/youtube]

"I'm a point guard."

Dat innuendo.

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