Free agent question?

[aad]

Do we go after free agents first or try to settle the monroe situation first?

[ImHeisenberg]

Unknown, depending on who they're targeting.

If they're going to make a run at players like Stephenson or Hayward, they will need to act quickly.

[haulerch]

Also, depends how fast Monroe signs with someone obviously. My guess is that we go hard after our targets and let Monroe look around.

[Q00]

He only has a 10 mil caphold, and we have 25 mil in capspace, so we can spend up to 15 mil the first day of FA if we want, regardless of what happens with Monroe.

[Snakebites]

He only has a 10 mil caphold, and we have 25 mil in capspace, so we can spend up to 15 mil the first day of FA if we want, regardless of what happens with Monroe.

Doing things that way would require us to get Monroe to buy into the offseason plan and not make any decisions until the Pistons have done their other work. If Monroe isn't willing to play along with that he could sign an early offer sheet and throw a wrench into that plan, forcing us to act one way or another on him before getting the chance to spend the money elsewhere.

Additionally, other teams could also put a timer on offer sheets to Monroe to force his hand early in the offseason.

We have the power to decide whether or not to keep Monroe at the price the market sets, but we are largely powerless in terms of WHEN that particular decision needs to be made. That is, unless, SVG is silver tonged enough to get Monroe to wait and convinces him that we'll eventually do right by him later in the offseason.

[Q00]

He only has a 10 mil caphold, and we have 25 mil in capspace, so we can spend up to 15 mil the first day of FA if we want, regardless of what happens with Monroe.

Doing things that way would require us to get Monroe to buy into the offseason plan and not make any decisions until the Pistons have done their other work. If Monroe isn't willing to play along with that he could sign an early offer sheet and throw a wrench into that plan, forcing us to act one way or another on him before getting the chance to spend the money elsewhere.

Additionally, other teams could also put a timer on offer sheets to Monroe to force his hand early in the offseason.

We have the power to decide whether or not to keep Monroe at the price the market sets, but we are largely powerless in terms of WHEN that particular decision needs to be made.

I'm pretty sure if a team signs Monroe to an offer sheet, we have 3 days to match regardless of what Monroe or the other team says/does.

[Snakebites]

He only has a 10 mil caphold, and we have 25 mil in capspace, so we can spend up to 15 mil the first day of FA if we want, regardless of what happens with Monroe.

Doing things that way would require us to get Monroe to buy into the offseason plan and not make any decisions until the Pistons have done their other work. If Monroe isn't willing to play along with that he could sign an early offer sheet and throw a wrench into that plan, forcing us to act one way or another on him before getting the chance to spend the money elsewhere.

Additionally, other teams could also put a timer on offer sheets to Monroe to force his hand early in the offseason.

We have the power to decide whether or not to keep Monroe at the price the market sets, but we are largely powerless in terms of WHEN that particular decision needs to be made.

I'm pretty sure if a team signs Monroe to an offer sheet, we have 3 days to match regardless of what Monroe or the other team says/does.

I think you missed my point.

My point was that someone could sign him to an offer sheet, forcing us to match within 3 days, which would mean the only money we'd have to spend whatever is left after the contract is signed. The only way we can go over the cap to resign Monroe is if that signing happens FIRST, before whoever else we sign.

Someone could throw a big offer sheet on the table very early on and if Monroe signs it we'd be forced to match and the large amount of cap space you're projecting would be greatly reduced.

[Q00]

Doing things that way would require us to get Monroe to buy into the offseason plan and not make any decisions until the Pistons have done their other work. If Monroe isn't willing to play along with that he could sign an early offer sheet and throw a wrench into that plan, forcing us to act one way or another on him before getting the chance to spend the money elsewhere.

Additionally, other teams could also put a timer on offer sheets to Monroe to force his hand early in the offseason.

We have the power to decide whether or not to keep Monroe at the price the market sets, but we are largely powerless in terms of WHEN that particular decision needs to be made.

I'm pretty sure if a team signs Monroe to an offer sheet, we have 3 days to match regardless of what Monroe or the other team says/does.

I think you missed my point.

My point was that someone could sign him to an offer sheet, forcing us to match within 3 days, which would mean the only money we'd have to spend whatever is left after the contract is signed. The only way we can go over the cap to resign Monroe is if that signing happens FIRST, before whoever else we sign.

Someone could throw a big offer sheet on the table very early on and if Monroe signs it we'd be forced to match and the large amount of cap space you're projecting would be greatly reduced.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I think you're saying the same thing I said in the first place.

We spend the 15 mil first. Then we go over the cap to match Monroe.

[Pharaoh]

Let's assume someone offers Monroe a massive deal July 1...and he is going to sign the offer sheet when able. Isn't that July 10th or something?

So we'd likely know July 1st if Monroe is going to sign an offer sheet....

Which gives us 9 days to negotiate with free agents.

Then once everyone is actually able to sign we sign our targets and wait the allowed 3 days to match on Monroe

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[Snakebites]

I'm pretty sure if a team signs Monroe to an offer sheet, we have 3 days to match regardless of what Monroe or the other team says/does.

I think you missed my point.

My point was that someone could sign him to an offer sheet, forcing us to match within 3 days, which would mean the only money we'd have to spend whatever is left after the contract is signed. The only way we can go over the cap to resign Monroe is if that signing happens FIRST, before whoever else we sign.

Someone could throw a big offer sheet on the table very early on and if Monroe signs it we'd be forced to match and the large amount of cap space you're projecting would be greatly reduced.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I think you're saying the same thing I said in the first place.

We spend the 15 mil first. Then we go over the cap to match Monroe.

Yeah, you missed my point.

I agree that this is what we'd LIKE to do, but if Monroe signs an offer sheet with another team early in the offseason we don't have an infinite amount of time to match it. We'd have to match it within 3 days, meaning we may not be able to use the cap space to sign other guys first.

The ideal plan of using the cap space then signing Monroe only works if Monroe is complicit in that plan and waits until we've used cap space to sign an offer sheet, and there is absolutely no guarantee he would be.

[Irate]

If Monroe signs an offer sheet the first day he can then the Pistons will have until July 13th to sign someone else before having to match the Monroe deal. That means they will have 13 days to negotiate with players and honestly, if you don't have a deal done in 13 days you probably aren't getting one done.

If they can't strike a deal before having to match an offer on Monroe, they will still have roughly $10 million in cap space even after matching a max offer for Monroe. Assuming the cap goes up to the $62 million number that people have been reporting. They could free up another $1.7 million in cap space by letting Siva and Harrellson go since neither are guaranteed contracts. And if they don't pick up Billups $2.5M option by June 30th they will have an additional $2.5M to spend.

Although, I do think most free agent movement will kind of be in a holding pattern until Melo and James figure out what they are doing, if they opt out.

[Q00]

I think you missed my point.

My point was that someone could sign him to an offer sheet, forcing us to match within 3 days, which would mean the only money we'd have to spend whatever is left after the contract is signed. The only way we can go over the cap to resign Monroe is if that signing happens FIRST, before whoever else we sign.

Someone could throw a big offer sheet on the table very early on and if Monroe signs it we'd be forced to match and the large amount of cap space you're projecting would be greatly reduced.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I think you're saying the same thing I said in the first place.

We spend the 15 mil first. Then we go over the cap to match Monroe.

Yeah, you missed my point.

I agree that this is what we'd LIKE to do, but if Monroe signs an offer sheet with another team early in the offseason we don't have an infinite amount of time to match it. We'd have to match it within 3 days, meaning we may not be able to use the cap space to sign other guys first.

The ideal plan of using the cap space then signing Monroe only works if Monroe is complicit in that plan and waits until we've used cap space to sign an offer sheet, and there is absolutely no guarantee he would be.

Read what Irate posted.

What you are suggesting is not how it works.

[Snakebites]

That's only true if players are agreeable to signing with us that early in the game.

There are lots of teams with cap space and lots of options for prospective free agents, and lots of free agents waiting until the bigger dominoes fall so the picture of what options are available to them becomes clear.


If someone decides to get ahead of the rush and give Monroe a huge offer sheet we may find ourselves in a situation where free agents aren't ready to commit to deals in time for us to sign them before Monroe gets a deal.

For example, we could find ourselves failing to negotiate a quick deal because the free agent in question is waiting to see which of the other more desirable destinations strikes out on big name free agents.

That is, of course, unless we're prepared to give someone an offer above market value that they can't refuse.

[Q00]

That's only true if players are agreeable to signing with us that early in the game.

There are lots of teams with cap space and lots of options for prospective free agents, and lots of free agents waiting until the bigger dominoes fall so the picture of what options are available to them becomes clear.


If someone decides to get ahead of the rush and give Monroe a huge offer sheet we may find ourselves in a situation where free agents aren't ready to commit to deals in time for us to sign them before Monroe gets a deal.

For example, we could find ourselves failing to negotiate a quick deal because the free agent in question is waiting to see which of the other more desirable destinations strikes out on big name free agents.

That is, of course, unless we're prepared to give someone an offer above market value that they can't refuse.

You're not understanding this correctly. It doesn't matter how soon Monroe gets an offer sheet. We have 3 days to match. Then the actual contract doesn't have to be signed until July 13th. Which is more than enough time to get all of our other FA targets signed first.

Last year we had all of our FA signings completed by July 11th.

[Joe Berry]

I have read somewhere that in the moment Monroe sign an offer sheet from another team our capspace is gone because of some caphold from that big contract he sigsn. So we actually need to work together with Monroe and his agent even if they intend to sign with another team or our free agency offseason could be screwed. I try to find the scource for that.

[Irate]

I have read somewhere that in the moment Monroe sign an offer sheet from another team our capspace is gone because of some caphold from that big contract he sigsn. So we actually need to work together with Monroe and his agent even if they intend to sign with another team or our free agency offseason could be screwed. I try to find the scource for that.

I think you have it backwards.

A team who signs Monroe to an offer sheet loses its cap space they used on the offer sheet until Detroit decides what to do. So if team A has $15.5 million in cap space and signs Monroe to a max offer, they lose that $15.5 million until A) Detroit matches the offer at which point Team A gets its cap space back or B) The 3 days is over and Detroit doesn't match and Team A obviously loses its cap space but receives Monroe.

[DetroitSho]

This thread is literally everyone saying the same thing in 10 different ways but not realizing it. Lol

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