Cavs, Wolves, & Jazz Manaj

[Litany]

The picks are in next years draft, so doesn't effect your roster. Plus those picks aren't that bad. CLE's would be assuming they become good. But the Mem pick is top 5 protected (with Zbo having an opt out), and the MIA pick is top 10 protected (If LeBron leaves..) so they could be valuable.?

So we magically don't add players to our roster picking at 5 and 13 in this draft? we also have 3 second round picks... and neither the Memphis or Miami picks would be in the lottery, that's just silly, the protections are irrelevant. There is one good draft pick and nothing else in this deal, it's a homer fantasy.

There is no way Love ends up with Cleveland unless Cleveland sends the #1 pick to Minnesota. Boston can offer more, and better picks including #6, and Sully, which is a much better deal than this one. Those Brooklyn picks may be decent considering how poorly run that franchise is.

Lmao. Hopefully other Wolves fans are more realistic about the return they are looking for, or there are going to be a **** ton of sad people in Minnesota when Love is moved.

You want the 1st pick in one of the best drafts in years for a guy forcing his way out and on a one year contract.

Completely asinine. If you think that the #6 and Sullinger who is an overweight undersized big is better than the #5 , and several future firsts that could be really good than good luck with that. Can't wait to see what the Wolves actually get and compare it to this delusion.


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[Saltine]

I don't think there is any chance of a deal with Cleveland, so I don't really care. There is no way Love wants to play there, his agent would get fired if we started taking Cleveland seriously, lol

I expect he'll go to Chicago or Boston, maybe GSW or Denver. No way it's Cleveland.

[FutureKnicksGM]

There is no way we'd do this deal for #5, and a couple junky late firsts...that's just absurd.

Also, the Wolves already have twelve guys under contract, once you add in a couple draft picks, these crappy multi-player deals are impossible. We can't have more than 15 players under contract... you'd have to absorb JJ Barea, Shved, maybe trade Waiters for Martin as well. Otherwise this is just silly.

The picks are in next years draft, so doesn't effect your roster. Plus those picks aren't that bad. CLE's would be assuming they become good. But the Mem pick is top 5 protected (with Zbo having an opt out), and the MIA pick is top 10 protected (If LeBron leaves..) so they could be valuable.

Plus what asset that has been proposed for Love on a 1 year deal is superior to #5?

There's a lot of what ifs in that statement. And I'm sick of people saying "what's better than this asset" it doesn't matter. Offers are about being the best, not just as good. All around, this offer isn't great. The Cavs get way too much.


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Fair enough. IMO the 5th pick is the best asset that has been offered for an unextended Love. What is the best offer in your opinion?

[AQuintus]

Fair enough. IMO the 5th pick is the best asset

Maybe, but that doesn't matter. Offers are judged as a whole, not just based on the best asset with the rest of the offer ignored.

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And as for the rest of your post, the Boston trade. The difference between 5 and 6 is negligible, and Sullinger, 17, and future picks >>>> nothing.

[FutureKnicksGM]

The picks are in next years draft, so doesn't effect your roster. Plus those picks aren't that bad. CLE's would be assuming they become good. But the Mem pick is top 5 protected (with Zbo having an opt out), and the MIA pick is top 10 protected (If LeBron leaves..) so they could be valuable.?

So we magically don't add players to our roster picking at 5 and 13 in this draft? we also have 3 second round picks... and neither the Memphis or Miami picks would be in the lottery, that's just silly, the protections are irrelevant. There is one good draft pick and nothing else in this deal, it's a homer fantasy.

There is no way Love ends up with Cleveland unless Cleveland sends the #1 pick to Minnesota. Boston can offer more, and better picks including #6, and Sully, which is a much better deal than this one. Those Brooklyn picks may be decent considering how poorly run that franchise is.

I thought you were talking about the additional picks. Either way i doubt that roster size is a big issue for a Love trade compared to getting the best asset(s). I guess I don't see how a deal based around #5 is considered homer fantasy (OP is a Jazz fan, i'm a knicks fan) in comparison to a deal based around #6.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Fair enough. IMO the 5th pick is the best asset

Maybe, but that doesn't matter. Offers are judged as a whole, not just based on the best asset with the rest of the offer ignored.

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And as for the rest of your post, the Boston trade. The difference between 5 and 6 is negligible, and Sullinger, 17, and future picks >>>> nothing.

#5, Varejao, Bennett, Felix, CLE 2015 first (CHI have option to swap), 2015 MEM first, 2015 MIA first.
Or
#6, #17, Sullinger and future pick(s)?

[AQuintus]

#5, Varejao, Bennett, Felix, CLE 2015 first (CHI have option to swap), 2015 MEM first, 2015 MIA first.
Or
#6, #17, Sullinger and future pick(s)?

The Boston deal pretty easily.

6 and 5 are close enough in value that it's negligible

Varejao would pretty much strictly be an expiring contract for us, so he's equal to the salary filler from the Boston deal (ex. Bass, Bogans, and Anthony)

Future 1sts >>>>>>> Bennett. Heck getting nothing is better than having to take on Bennett on 1st overall salary.

17 > Felix and those 1sts. Felix doesn't push the needle at all. Cleveland's 15 first wouldn't be in the lottery after this deal, so it doesn't matter. Same with Memphis and Miami's 1sts.

[FutureKnicksGM]

#5, Varejao, Bennett, Felix, CLE 2015 first (CHI have option to swap), 2015 MEM first, 2015 MIA first.
Or
#6, #17, Sullinger and future pick(s)?

The Boston deal pretty easily.

6 and 5 are close enough in value that it's negligible

Varejao would pretty much strictly be an expiring contract for us, so he's equal to the salary filler from the Boston deal (ex. Bass, Bogans, and Anthony)

Future 1sts >>>>>>> Bennett. Heck getting nothing is better than having to take on Bennett on 1st overall salary.

17 > Felix and those 1sts. Felix doesn't push the needle at all. Cleveland's 15 first wouldn't be in the lottery after this deal, so it doesn't matter. Same with Memphis and Miami's 1sts.

Hmm interesting, i probably wouldn't value it like that, but fair enough.

I would say though that Varejao has resale value as an expiring, unlike the BOS expirings, and could be flipped for a first immediately (Say to OKC for Perkins & 21, and I would assume the difference between 21 & 17 would be considered negligible too), but I guess that is not going to change your opinion. Love to BOS it is.

[Saltine]

I actually prefer Love to Chicago