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Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014

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Re: Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014 

Post#21 » by Dupas » Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:52 pm

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Vertical Limit wrote:Things happened for a reason and Beasley was rated as the #2 prospect on most boards, #1 on some of them. The guy was an animal in college, still holds several NCAA freshman records. The fact that he didn't translate his game to the NBA is his own doing.

Dude was a killer yhea. I think we misused him this year.. i mean how can you improve if you dont play? Im talking but i dont know what happened in pratice etc..either way he should have been played. Kid got game man..but this board have some kind of hate for him thats unreal.

The guy has had plenty of PT under Gentry and Adelman, two very good head coaches, and he wasn't able to translate his game to winning basketball. Adelman even once was quoted saying you can't win games centering a team around Beasley, and that's a huge knock on Beasley - a guy that had as much talent as Durant coming out of college.

So it's not Spoelstra, or Riley, or the Heat, it's Beasley, the guy is as much of a bonehead as Chalmers.

He is also a very emotional player, so many times during his first two seasons here Wade and Haslem has had to pick his emotions up, because when he plays bad, he goes through depression and you can see it on his body language.

I wanted Beasley over Rose, if we had the first pick overall I was hoping for Beasley all the way. So it's not like I'm some hater, I loved his game in college, but damn was I wrong about him.

Look i know all of that and i agree with you that if beasley career is falling apart is all on him. But imagine this 2. You are playing for the champions , that have a rotation of 8,7 mans in the RL and you are behind some old dudes and your not playing..That isnt good for him. Are you going to tell me that we couldnt play him lots of time this season? Against this east? Beasley didnt help him but we ( spo ) didnt help him 2. Because if he was playing maybe he could get the responsability up and get things moving. But its my view of the things..it could have go the other way around 2. Beas put himself in this position thats for sure. But one thing ive learn from life is that , sometimes all you need is the push , the right time and the right person to pick you up..
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Re: Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014 

Post#22 » by kyphi » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:00 pm

Third time is the charm - cut him loose,
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Re: Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014 

Post#23 » by mopper8 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:18 pm

Dupas wrote:
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Dupas wrote:Dude was a killer yhea. I think we misused him this year.. i mean how can you improve if you dont play? Im talking but i dont know what happened in pratice etc..either way he should have been played. Kid got game man..but this board have some kind of hate for him thats unreal.

The guy has had plenty of PT under Gentry and Adelman, two very good head coaches, and he wasn't able to translate his game to winning basketball. Adelman even once was quoted saying you can't win games centering a team around Beasley, and that's a huge knock on Beasley - a guy that had as much talent as Durant coming out of college.

So it's not Spoelstra, or Riley, or the Heat, it's Beasley, the guy is as much of a bonehead as Chalmers.

He is also a very emotional player, so many times during his first two seasons here Wade and Haslem has had to pick his emotions up, because when he plays bad, he goes through depression and you can see it on his body language.

I wanted Beasley over Rose, if we had the first pick overall I was hoping for Beasley all the way. So it's not like I'm some hater, I loved his game in college, but damn was I wrong about him.

Look i know all of that and i agree with you that if beasley career is falling apart is all on him. But imagine this 2. You are playing for the champions , that have a rotation of 8,7 mans in the RL and you are behind some old dudes and your not playing..That isnt good for him. Are you going to tell me that we couldnt play him lots of time this season? Against this east? Beasley didnt help him but we ( spo ) didnt help him 2. Because if he was playing maybe he could get the responsability up and get things moving. But its my view of the things..it could have go the other way around 2. Beas put himself in this position thats for sure. But one thing ive learn from life is that , sometimes all you need is the push , the right time and the right person to pick you up..


He's gotta earn it. Otherwise he's never gone learn anything or permanently improve. Part of the problem is that playing time and touches were essentially gifted to him several times when it's not clear he deserved it. He's basically starting over from scratch here, gotta earn every minute. I personally think this year was good for him, he seemed to be in good spirits about it all at the end and it's telling that he supposedly wants to come back
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Re: Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014 

Post#24 » by Dupas » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:21 pm

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Vertical Limit wrote:The guy has had plenty of PT under Gentry and Adelman, two very good head coaches, and he wasn't able to translate his game to winning basketball. Adelman even once was quoted saying you can't win games centering a team around Beasley, and that's a huge knock on Beasley - a guy that had as much talent as Durant coming out of college.

So it's not Spoelstra, or Riley, or the Heat, it's Beasley, the guy is as much of a bonehead as Chalmers.

He is also a very emotional player, so many times during his first two seasons here Wade and Haslem has had to pick his emotions up, because when he plays bad, he goes through depression and you can see it on his body language.

I wanted Beasley over Rose, if we had the first pick overall I was hoping for Beasley all the way. So it's not like I'm some hater, I loved his game in college, but damn was I wrong about him.

Look i know all of that and i agree with you that if beasley career is falling apart is all on him. But imagine this 2. You are playing for the champions , that have a rotation of 8,7 mans in the RL and you are behind some old dudes and your not playing..That isnt good for him. Are you going to tell me that we couldnt play him lots of time this season? Against this east? Beasley didnt help him but we ( spo ) didnt help him 2. Because if he was playing maybe he could get the responsability up and get things moving. But its my view of the things..it could have go the other way around 2. Beas put himself in this position thats for sure. But one thing ive learn from life is that , sometimes all you need is the push , the right time and the right person to pick you up..


He's gotta earn it. Otherwise he's never gone learn anything or permanently improve. Part of the problem is that playing time and touches were essentially gifted to him several times when it's not clear he deserved it. He's basically starting over from scratch here, gotta earn every minute. I personally think this year was good for him, he seemed to be in good spirits about it all at the end and it's telling that he supposedly wants to come back

He better be because for how much of a crackhead he is..you cant get anything better for the money he will get.
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Re: Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014 

Post#25 » by twix2500 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:00 am

I really don't think Beasley play warranted him being buried on the bench in the playoffs like Spo did. I think Spo just decided to go with the Vets. Lewis been solid and sat for a year. I think it was kind of Lewis payed his dues, now out of loyalty Spo called his name. He didn't want to have to be coaching up Beasley. But at the end, Lewis limitations were highlighted. Lewis did have length to bother passes, but he was no where to be found on the boards. And on offense if it was not a corner 3 he provide nothing, no midrange game, no inside game. Miller was known for his 3, but he had versatility, he could pass, he could handle, he could rebound as well. Beasley can provide some of what Miller did as well, less of a 3 point game, more of a post game and more consistent scoring.

Unless Beasley is doing something wrong in practice or off the court that we are not seeing, I do not see Beasley play warranted the lack of minutes.

Spo admitted mid year that he didn't now how to use Beasley in the lineups, and I think he just gave up on the idea.
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Re: Riley's Vision - Preparing for the Summer of 2014 

Post#26 » by Zasterror » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:38 am

The Wade/Beasley 2nd unit lineup was super potent and dangerous, especially early in the season. But Spo moved completely away from it towards the middle of the season for some unknown reason. That killed Beasley, his confidence, and his effectiveness.
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