2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3461 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:36 pm

DowJones wrote:
Westbrook36 wrote:If Hinkie wants Wiggins as badly as is being reported, I don't think he would allow him to fall to 2 anyway. He'd try to secure him at 1.

I don't see how a trade up to #1 would happen with Cleveland though. With all due respect, the 3rd pick lost a TON of value in Cleveland's eyes once Embiid got hurt, especially since the Cavaliers don't need a PG or SG (Exxum). I was thinking if the injury do Embiid isn't too bad then maybe Cleveland does a 1 for 3/10 trade and takes Joel at 3, but the injury seems like the worst type you can have for a big man.

Cleveland's asking price for that #1 pick has gone up and I don't think Philly would be willing to meet it. 3 and 10 will not get it done. I think Cleveland might want 5 and Favors from Utah. That deal could work. That is good value for Cleveland because there is a chance Embiid falls to 5 and Favors is a 22 year old rookie center/pf on a very reasonable 4 year contract

We don't know that. For all we know they like Exum just as much as Wiggins or close to as much. We don't know their draft board. It's impossible to say at this point since we don't know how Cleveland values different players in the draft. The only thing we know if they loved Embiid before he got hurt.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3462 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:37 pm

agiaco wrote:So it's safe to say many of you don't view Exum as a potential superstar? I've got to say I think he's as likely to become a star as Wiggins.

If he becomes a star, I'll think he'll be a different kind of star. I don't see him as a top level scorer. Just my opinion. I think Wiggins can be one. The Sixers need a scorer. 20-25 ppg guy.

Post #3463 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:41 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Westbrook36 wrote:If Hinkie wants Wiggins as badly as is being reported, I don't think he would allow him to fall to 2 anyway. He'd try to secure him at 1.

I don't see how a trade up to #1 would happen with Cleveland though. With all due respect, the 3rd pick lost a TON of value in Cleveland's eyes once Embiid got hurt, especially since the Cavaliers don't need a PG or SG (Exxum). I was thinking if the injury do Embiid isn't too bad then maybe Cleveland does a 1 for 3/10 trade and takes Joel at 3, but the injury seems like the worst type you can have for a big man.

Cleveland's asking price for that #1 pick has gone up and I don't think Philly would be willing to meet it. 3 and 10 will not get it done. I think Cleveland might want 5 and Favors from Utah. That deal could work. That is good value for Cleveland because there is a chance Embiid falls to 5 and Favors is a 22 year old rookie center/pf on a very reasonable 4 year contract

We don't know that. For all we know they like Exum just as much as Wiggins or close to as much. We don't know their draft board. It's impossible to say at this point since we don't know how Cleveland values different players in the draft. The only thing we know if they loved Embiid before he got hurt.

I guess we don't KNOW for sure but that's unlikely given that they already have a young point guard that they really like.

JrueMatic11 · Post #3464 » by **JrueMatic11** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:16 pm

Hopefully, Embiid is ok.
Im gonna cry if we have to sit around for the 3rd year straight, waiting for our big man to return from injury.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3465 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:35 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Westbrook36 wrote:
DowJones wrote:
I don't see how a trade up to #1 would happen with Cleveland though. With all due respect, the 3rd pick lost a TON of value in Cleveland's eyes once Embiid got hurt, especially since the Cavaliers don't need a PG or SG (Exxum). I was thinking if the injury do Embiid isn't too bad then maybe Cleveland does a 1 for 3/10 trade and takes Joel at 3, but the injury seems like the worst type you can have for a big man.

Cleveland's asking price for that #1 pick has gone up and I don't think Philly would be willing to meet it. 3 and 10 will not get it done. I think Cleveland might want 5 and Favors from Utah. That deal could work. That is good value for Cleveland because there is a chance Embiid falls to 5 and Favors is a 22 year old rookie center/pf on a very reasonable 4 year contract

We don't know that. For all we know they like Exum just as much as Wiggins or close to as much. We don't know their draft board. It's impossible to say at this point since we don't know how Cleveland values different players in the draft. The only thing we know if they loved Embiid before he got hurt.

I guess we don't KNOW for sure but that's unlikely given that they already have a young point guard that they really like.

Some people like Exum at SG.

James40 · Post #3466 » by **James40** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:20 pm

What's the deal with Embiids medical info, I'm figuring Milwaukee and Cleveland has it, but does anyone else? I guess my question is could his agent only release his medical info to LA and Boston if that's where his agent wants him to go?

SixerFever215 · Post #3467 » by **SixerFever215** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:36 pm

I think the 76ers like, Exum and would trade MCW if they were able to get Exum and there guy Wiggins

Mik317 · Post #3468 » by **Mik317** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:39 am

I think I have made peace with every possible outcome.

DO YOUR WORST BASKETBALL GODS

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3469 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:45 am

There are plenty of scenarios I won't ever make peace with. In fact, most of them I would not. I want what I want in this draft and goddamn if I don't get it I'm gonna be miserable, bitter, and angry.

AAKing23 · Post #3470 » by **AAKing23** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:35 am

Can we please stop with the trade MCW ideas. I'm sick of it.

Mik317 · Post #3471 » by **Mik317** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:38 am

AAKing23 wrote:Can we please stop with the trade MCW ideas. I'm sick of it.

Embiid injury made it more likely to happen if Exum is truly the best on the board and can't play the 2 then you got to maximize your talent.

The idea is that Exum/Gordon/Stauskas is better than MCW/Vonleh/Stauskas or something. I too question it. Maybe if Embiid is there at 7 and the Lakers still make the trade..

Personally I'd like to see if they work well together before making the trade....we have time to find out.

bebopdeluxe · Post #3472 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:15 am

Pulled this from another thread...

http://asubstituteforwar.wordpress.com/ ... w-wiggins/

Man...points pretty strongly at Embiid being at the top of Hinkie's Christmas list...huh?

And another one...

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... /#comments

Doesn't sound like the end of the world...does it?

But wait! Arn Tellam won't give the medicals to the Sixers! He obviously doesn't want Embiid in Philly - does he? Well, I could understand why he would want his client in LA or Boston instead of Cleveland or Milwaukee...something that - before this - seemed like an impossibility...but now could theoretically happen. Now, Arn is a Philly guy (went to college at Haverford)...hard to imagine that he would be that pissed off if Embiid landed here...but it is a delicate balancing act...if Hinkie pushes too hard, or gives the impression that Embiid is the guy he has been after all along (wait...i thought Hinkie was going to trade 3 and 10 for 1 to take the object of his obsession, Andrew Wiggins), then Embiid might not fall into his lap at 3.

I think the al issue now is whether either Cleveland or Milwaukee wakes up in time to reconsider passing on Embiid. I am increasingly convinced that, if CLE takes Parker and MIL takes Wiggins, Hinkie won't be able to get the card with Embiid's name on it up to Silver fast enough.

51X3RF4N · Post #3473 » by **51X3RF4N** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:41 am

Adding a healthy Embiid (#3) after rehabbing the injury, along with a top pick in the 2015 draft, and a shooter like Stauskas at #10, to MCW and Noel....would be straight up insane.

PhilasFinest · Post #3474 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:47 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Adding a healthy Embiid (#3) after rehabbing the injury, along with a top pick in the 2015 draft, and a shooter like Stauskas at #10, to MCW and Noel....would be straight up insane.

I agree, but theres ALOT of gambling/risk in that.

Noel needs to not only bounce back from a serious knee injury, but show that he can play at a high level in the NBA.

Embiid would have to not only bounce back from a serious foot injury, and series of stress fractures, but show that he can not only play at a high level in the NBA, but also be durable and not get hurt.

Also, next year....3 of the top ranked prospects are all bigs....i know a lot can and will change but just saying.

BNelley24 · Post #3475 » by **BNelley24** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:12 am

AAKing23 wrote:Can we please stop with the trade MCW ideas. I'm sick of it.

Hinkie's job is to make the team better. If he finds a way to trade MCW and make our team better I am all for it.

M3 · Post #3476 » by M3 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:52 am

AAKing23 wrote:Can we please stop with the trade MCW ideas. I'm sick of it.

Thank you sick of seeing this too. I know this board didn't like the MCW pick last year, me included, but he can play in this league. He may not be 19 but he can still grow and will only become a more efficient player as you add better talent around him.
Look at the recent list of ROY's all of them had respectable careers, and you could argue that a player in the next draft class had better potential than the winner, and NONE of them were traded away. Stop it!

BNelley24 · Post #3477 » by **BNelley24** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:07 pm

I'm a HUGE MCW fan too, but like I just said, Hinkie's job is to make this team better. If he feels trading MCW will make this team better, he SHOULD do it. We need a star. If Sam thinks Wiggins is that guy, then by all means, trade MCW/picks/whatever. 1 great player is more important than 2 good players in the NBA.

Eyeamok · Post #3478 » by **Eyeamok** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:21 pm

BNelley24 wrote:I'm a HUGE MCW fan too, but like I just said, Hinkie's job is to make this team better. If he feels trading MCW will make this team better, he SHOULD do it. We need a star. If Sam thinks Wiggins is that guy, then by all means, trade MCW/picks/whatever. 1 great player is more important than 2 good players in the NBA.

2 good players that merge into vital cogs of a "team" is greater than an LBJ.....true story !!!!

Well at least for now

Aussiepiston1 · Post #3479 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:41 pm

Aaron Gordon is the pick after a trade back with Boston to the number #6 and #17 we get our pick back next year also. he is the perfect piece as he is a raw 19yo with high upside who can work on his shot and free throws. Saric at #10 who compliments Gordon well and could be our go to scorer if Gordon doesn't develop into anything more than a defensive stopper. Then We can grab whoever is left out of Lavine/Hairston/Stauskas/Harris/Young at SG and have our first rounder next year no matter what.
MCW (Jason Kidd)
Hairston (James Harden)
Gordon (Paul George)
Saric (Dirk Nowitzki)
Noel (Deandre Jordan)

hahahahahahaha Wishful thinking at it's best

Embiid P · Post #3480 » by **Embiid P** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:32 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:Aaron Gordon is the pick after a trade back with Boston to the number #6 and #17 we get our pick back next year also. he is the perfect piece as he is a raw 19yo with high upside who can work on his shot and free throws. Saric at #10 who compliments Gordon well and could be our go to scorer if Gordon doesn't develop into anything more than a defensive stopper. Then We can grab whoever is left out of Lavine/Hairston/Stauskas/Harris/Young at SG and have our first rounder next year no matter what.
MCW (Jason Kidd)
Hairston (James Harden)
Gordon (Paul George)
Saric (Dirk Nowitzki)
Noel (Deandre Jordan)

hahahahahahaha Wishful thinking at it's best

That's a terrible deal for us. Chances are we are keeping our pick anyway since I don't see us making the playoffs next year so it's basically #3 for #6 and #17. If they want to move up to #3, it should cost them two of their future unprotected Nets picks.