Official #2 Pick Thread - BP says it's down to AW/JP

[jakecronus8]

I've been a a Parker guy this whole time, but I'm officially changing my tune to Wiggins. Defense, plus athleticism/upside...yes please!!

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Add in the fact that they had almost identical production despite Parker having a higher usage rating, and the fact that Wiggins got better as the year went on while Parker regressed, and the fact that Wiggins slides in at the 2 next to Giannis right off the bat, it makes it a no brainer for me.

ETA: I don't think it'll matter unfortunately as Wiggins goes 1. Trying to talk myself into Parker. As the year approaches I'm sure it'll be easier as ill just be damn excited for basketball again.

[cinematographer]

Anybody that repeatedly says Parker is fat, brings up one game over and over, make some ridiculous comparison to Antoine Walker or Ryan Anderson, says he's completely incapable of playing defense ever, is in fact a hater. I'm honestly surprised we haven't dove into Mormon hate yet.

Again, I'm not comparing his game to Ryan Anderson's game. I was talking in terms of impact, and if nuance was a trait you possessed, you'd have seen that.

[EastSideBucksFan]

I don't like Parker's game for what the Bucks are trying to do, but in the right role -- as a stretch 4 -- he can probably be a top-50 impact player. Of course, if the defense never comes, then he's like Ryan Anderson, with the potential good of his offense eradicated by the defense.

That's a terribly inaccurate comparison & projection for Jabari Parker.

I'm comparing impact, not their respective games.big, big difference.

Parker has a post game, dribble/drive game and can impact the game in a variety of ways compared to RA.

[JayMKE]

There are only two ways to trade down, 3 and 10 or 4 and 12. I'd only do that if Parker is off the board and thought Embiid would make a full recovery. The extra pick would be the insurance on if Embiid didn't. Parker is too much of a sure thing to pass up, he has the skills + the mind + and the body to be a special player in this league. There is more to being a player than just your physical profile, you have to have the skills and mind to back it up. Otherwise Joe Alexander would be dominating this year league right now, you want a guy that knows how to play the game of basketball.

[jakecronus8]

Anybody that repeatedly says Parker is fat, brings up one game over and over, make some ridiculous comparison to Antoine Walker or Ryan Anderson, says he's completely incapable of playing defense ever, is in fact a hater. I'm honestly surprised we haven't dove into Mormon hate yet.

Again, I'm not comparing his game to Ryan Anderson's game. I was talking in terms of impact, and if nuance was a trait you possessed, you'd have seen that.

It's not worth arguing. People only see what they want to see in these posts. For instance, I could say I think Parker will make the same kind of impact as Redd did, and someone will say, "Wtf bro? Did you even watch any games? Parker is not left handed!!"

[LedZepp007]

So we lost our asses off and fared well in the lottery all to get the number two pick that people now want to trade? Can't make this **** up

Trading the pick nets you assets that are equal to the value of the pick.

Not in this draft they don't.

All depends on whether you think Parker and Wiggins are going to be stars. Guess some of you don't.

[jakecronus8]

There are only two ways to trade down, 3 and 10 or 4 and 12. I'd only do that if Parker is off the board and thought Embiid would make a full recovery. The extra pick would be the insurance on if Embiid didn't. Parker is too much of a sure thing to pass up, he has the skills + the mind + and the body to be a special player in this league. There is more to being a player than just your physical profile, you have to have the skills and mind to back it up. Otherwise Joe Alexander would be dominating this year league right now, you want a guy that knows how to play the game of basketball.

Ok. No skills for Wiggins. Explain his near identical production to Parker with a lower usage rate while playing with 3 other viable offensive options in Kanas' starting 5.

But but but...ALPHA DOG...uhhhh.....competitive!!! LEADERSHIP!!!

[xTitan]

Where do people stand on who the Cavs take? I'm saying Parker.

Wiggins

[cinematographer]

That's a terribly inaccurate comparison & projection for Jabari Parker.

I'm comparing impact, not their respective games.big, big difference.

Parker has a post game, dribble/drive game and can impact the game in a variety of ways compared to RA.

Not to go all RAPM/RPM on this, but Anderson being a high volume and efficient three point shooter has seen him post some very substantial scores for offensive advanced metrics. Impact scores every Parker lover would be happy to have.

And he also takes most if not all of that good off the table at the other end of the court. And in terms of impact, that's a very legitimate worry with Parker.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Anybody that repeatedly says Parker is fat, brings up one game over and over, make some ridiculous comparison to Antoine Walker or Ryan Anderson, says he's completely incapable of playing defense ever, is in fact a hater. I'm honestly surprised we haven't dove into Mormon hate yet.

Jesus christ dude, get a grip. We have the luxury of picking #2. Every prospect in our range has gotten their game picked apart. Doing it to Jabari doesn't mean you "hate" him. At the end of the day, 99% of this board has him in their top 4. The only one I know that doesn't, cinematographer, has perfectly valid and thought-out reasons for feeling that way.

Getting chunky is a legitimate concern. His defense is a legitimate concern. Having a similar career to Antoine Walker is a legitimate concern. No one compared him stylistically to Ryan Anderson, but okay. Making a strawman of all these downsides to drafting him like you are doesn't change the fact that those are all legitimate concerns.

[Zeezprah]

i'm not a big proponent of trading down in nba drafts unless the other team gives you a king's ransom.

an nba roster is so small in size that quality is sooooo much more important than quantity. it's not the nfl where you have 53 spots to fill.

just to get me to START thinking about trading down 1 spot to philadelphia, they'd have to involve pick 10 and a swap of 48 and 32.

[JayMKE]

Wiggins is intriguing but he's a gamble, there aren't a shortage of guys that can dunk in transition and have the length+athleticism to defend. Can he develop the skills and the mind to put that athleticism to good use and fulfill his potential? I'd probably take him at #2 if Parker is gone but I know Parker his the skills, the mind, and the body of a quality NBA player.

[trwi7]

Where do people stand on who the Cavs take? I'm saying Parker.

Wiggins

I think so too. Mainly because I'm a Wiggins guy and that POS franchise will **** us over one more time.

[JayMKE]

Anybody that repeatedly says Parker is fat, brings up one game over and over, make some ridiculous comparison to Antoine Walker or Ryan Anderson, says he's completely incapable of playing defense ever, is in fact a hater. I'm honestly surprised we haven't dove into Mormon hate yet.

Jesus christ dude, get a grip. We have the luxury of picking #2. Every prospect in our range has gotten their game picked apart. Doing it to Jabari doesn't mean you "hate" him. At the end of the day, 99% of this board has him in their top 4. The only one I know that doesn't, cinematographer, has perfectly valid and thought-out reasons for feeling that way.

Getting chunky is a legitimate concern. His defense is a legitimate concern. Having a similar career to Antoine Walker is a legitimate concern. No one compared him stylistically to Ryan Anderson, but okay. Making a strawman of all these downsides to drafting him like you are doesn't change the fact that those are all legitimate concerns.

11% body fat isn't chunky

if that is chunky most of this board is morbidly obese

[trwi7]

Wiggins is intriguing but he's a gamble, there aren't a shortage of guys that can dunk in transition and have the length+athleticism to defend. Can he develop the skills and the mind to put that athleticism to good use and fulfill his potential? I'd probably take him at #2 if Parker is gone but I know Parker his the skills, the mind, and the body of a quality NBA player.

Oh, you know he has the mind? Tell me more, Mr. Psychologist.

[White+Purple]

All depends on whether you think Parker and Wiggins are going to be stars. Guess some of you don't.

The likelihood (Wiggins) and type of star (Chubari) are also factors. Add the higher upside of later picks (Embiid, Exum) and the quality to found elsewhere in the top 10 (Gordon et al) and it's hardly an option to be laughed at.

Of course BP has informed us you'll get your wish

[JustinCredible]

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So the Cavs are thinking about trading down to 76ers (3rd) or Jazz (5th). Speculation is that the 76ers want Wiggins and the Jazz want Parker. Speculation is that the Cavs are willing to trade down so they can get Embiid.

How do you get more leverage to make the Cavs trade with you instead of the Jazz? You say you'll take Embiid at 3 if he's there and you can't get Wiggins. This makes the Cavs unwilling to move down to 5 and now their only option is a trade with Philly if they want Embiid. Smart smokescreen by Philly.

[jakecronus8]

Call me crazy but that video of Parker in 8th grade looking like an extra from the film Heavyweights got me scared. It may be irrational but if he looked like that at age 13 while playing a ton of basketball and a child's metabolism, what's gonna happen when he approaches 30?

[xTitan]

I have Wiggins comfortably ahead of Parker, if for no other reason Wiggins is light years better defensively and I am not sure everybody is comprehending this. The thought of wing defenders Wiggins and Giannis, gives you a cornerstone for greatness.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Anybody that repeatedly says Parker is fat, brings up one game over and over, make some ridiculous comparison to Antoine Walker or Ryan Anderson, says he's completely incapable of playing defense ever, is in fact a hater. I'm honestly surprised we haven't dove into Mormon hate yet.

Jesus christ dude, get a grip. We have the luxury of picking #2. Every prospect in our range has gotten their game picked apart. Doing it to Jabari doesn't mean you "hate" him. At the end of the day, 99% of this board has him in their top 4. The only one I know that doesn't, cinematographer, has perfectly valid and thought-out reasons for feeling that way.

Getting chunky is a legitimate concern. His defense is a legitimate concern. Having a similar career to Antoine Walker is a legitimate concern. No one compared him stylistically to Ryan Anderson, but okay. Making a strawman of all these downsides to drafting him like you are doesn't change the fact that those are all legitimate concerns.

11% body fat isn't chunky

if that is chunky most of this board is morbidly obese

Most of this board isn't being counted on to play in the NBA at a high level.