The Nik Stauskas Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

Wish you guys would stop mentioning Greg Paulus. Making me nauseous.

[mrknowitall215]

Ewing averaged one more assist than Walton, playing for a coach whose entire offense was based on running Redick around screens off the ball and being set up for catch and shoot situations.

Paulus did have some solid assist numbers his frosh year, not sure why I mentioned him except hoping that you only remembered senior year Paulus. With that said, he was playing alongside two All Americans (with the aforementioned offense designed to get him assists), McRoberts and a decent outside shooter in Dockery. That was an easy roster to pad assist numbers for.

The point remains that Redick.never demonstrated the ball handling skills that Stauskas did.

No, Ewing averaged 4.0 assist in his senior year that he started at PG alongside Redick. Before that, Ewing played off the ball as Duhon ran the offense

...and you adequately stated Paulus

I'm not saying that Redick was a better ball handling SG than Stauskas. I'm just saying that I could easily see Stauskas fall into the same category as Redick, but I would hope not if he's drafted by the Hornets

I don't want to debate about Stauskas and Redick when Redick was the better scorer and Stauskas was the better ball handler, all while being similar shooters. I agree that Stauskas is a better ball handler

Again wrong. JJ hit 70 shots from inside the arc while Stauskas split time almost evenly inside and out. Stauskas shot better from inside and out percentage wise. He is much further along than Redick as a sophomore was. It took Redick until his senior year to put up any percentage equal to Nik other than FT. They are not even close as players Nik is currently so far ahead of same year Redick.

OK. You win. I think & hope Stauskas will be a better player than Redick in the NBA. I don't feel like reiterating that I like Stauskas coming out of Michigan more than I liked Redick coming out of Duke for the millionth time, but I'm just expressing concern about how good Stauskas can be off the ball. I've expressed concern about each player, even the ones I like the most. I'm not trying to belittle Stauskas, he's on my shortlist for Charlotte

[Eoghan]

Stauskas could be 6'6" Steve Nash and it wouldn't matter b/c Clifford would have him ride the pine behind Hendo and Neal.

[BeesWax]

No, Ewing averaged 4.0 assist in his senior year that he started at PG alongside Redick. Before that, Ewing played off the ball as Duhon ran the offense

...and you adequately stated Paulus

I'm not saying that Redick was a better ball handling SG than Stauskas. I'm just saying that I could easily see Stauskas fall into the same category as Redick, but I would hope not if he's drafted by the Hornets

I don't want to debate about Stauskas and Redick when Redick was the better scorer and Stauskas was the better ball handler, all while being similar shooters. I agree that Stauskas is a better ball handler

Again wrong. JJ hit 70 shots from inside the arc while Stauskas split time almost evenly inside and out. Stauskas shot better from inside and out percentage wise. He is much further along than Redick as a sophomore was. It took Redick until his senior year to put up any percentage equal to Nik other than FT. They are not even close as players Nik is currently so far ahead of same year Redick.

OK. You win. I think & hope Stauskas will be a better player than Redick in the NBA. I don't feel like reiterating that I like Stauskas coming out of Michigan more than I liked Redick coming out of Duke for the millionth time, but I'm just expressing concern about how good Stauskas can be off the ball. I've expressed concern about each player, even the ones I like the most. I'm not trying to belittle Stauskas, he's on my shortlist for Charlotte

I have plenty of concerns too. If you said defense I would be right there with you. But saying Redick was close to a PG or what Nik was is just way off. Being married to a Duke fan. I saw a lot of the guy and he never in his wildest dreams was considered a ball handler. Shoot he wasn't even as good a shooter as Nik until later in his career and was only a shooter and not a scorer till he was a senior.

If you had gone outside the ACC I may not have been able to argue but this was one guy I watched ton of over the years.

[BeesWax]

Stauskas could be 6'6" Steve Nash and it wouldn't matter b/c Clifford would have him ride the pine behind Hendo and Neal.

Unfortunately I think anyone we draft may get buried by Clifford without some sort of trade.

[yosemiteben]

Stauskas could be 6'6" Steve Nash and it wouldn't matter b/c Clifford would have him ride the pine behind Hendo and Neal.

He sure didn't mind playing Zeller minutes last season even early on when he was pretty unproductive - not sure the anti-rookie bias is that strong with Clifford. He talks about wanting size and perimeter shooting. I doubt he would get both and then go with the status quo.

[MasterIchiro]

Stauskas could be 6'6" Steve Nash and it wouldn't matter b/c Clifford would have him ride the pine behind Hendo and Neal.

If Stauskas were smart, and he seems capable of realizing his high BBIQ, he would chuck up shots like Neal and dribble into traffic and miss wide open 3's like Hendo in order to curry favor with Clifford and ultimately earn the playing time he so deserves.

In theory.

[mrknowitall215]

I have plenty of concerns too. If you said defense I would be right there with you. But saying Redick was close to a PG or what Nik was is just way off. Being married to a Duke fan. I saw a lot of the guy and he never in his wildest dreams was considered a ball handler. Shoot he wasn't even as good a shooter as Nik until later in his career and was only a shooter and not a scorer till he was a senior.

If you had gone outside the ACC I may not have been able to argue but this was one guy I watched ton of over the years.

I never said that Redick was as close to being a point guard as Stauskas. You took that and ran with it as a defense-mechanism. I said that Stauskas point guard skills in this thread are being overrated, and that at one time Redick was expected to translate into the NBA as a SG that can play some PG, but it never transpired

Also, as 'catch20two' mentioned a few pages back, I wouldn't be surprised if Stauskas couldn't find his way onto the floor similarly to Redick his first few years in the league due to defensive deficiencies. However, I don't think Stauskas is as bad of a defender as some are making him out to be. I watched Jeff Taylor get lit up over & over and still was regarded a defensive stopper, so there's that --- I'd rather Stauskas on the floor over a overrated defender

[Liver_Pooty]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

[BeesWax]

I think Redick at Duke played as much point as Stauskas did at Michigan. The draft talk surrounding Redick was all about converting him to the point, much like we're doing with Stauskas.

That's what I said...how quickly people forget when it doesn't translate

You said we forgot this. Nobody ever said Redick would be a PG but you two right here.

[BeesWax]

I have plenty of concerns too. If you said defense I would be right there with you. But saying Redick was close to a PG or what Nik was is just way off. Being married to a Duke fan. I saw a lot of the guy and he never in his wildest dreams was considered a ball handler. Shoot he wasn't even as good a shooter as Nik until later in his career and was only a shooter and not a scorer till he was a senior.

If you had gone outside the ACC I may not have been able to argue but this was one guy I watched ton of over the years.

I never said that Redick was as close to being a point guard as Stauskas. You took that and ran with it as a defense-mechanism. I said that Stauskas point guard skills in this thread are being overrated, and that at one time Redick was expected to translate into the NBA as a SG that can play some PG, but it never transpired

Also, as 'catch20two' mentioned a few pages back, I wouldn't be surprised if Stauskas couldn't find his way onto the floor similarly to Redick his first few years in the league due to defensive deficiencies. However, I don't think Stauskas is as bad of a defender as some are making him out to be. I watched Jeff Taylor get lit up over & over and still was regarded a defensive stopper, so there's that --- I'd rather Stauskas on the floor over a overrated defender

No you agreed with Brotherdave when he said Redick played as much PG as Nik and was talked about switching him over. I ran with what you said and it was just plain wrong.

[MasterIchiro]

It's unhealthy how much I want to draft this guy. I almost am afraid to go to the draft party if we don't get him I will leave early and be no fun and I haven't seen my friends in Charlotte in a months and I'm making a long trip for it. I'm really concerned we won't pick him and I need to feel at least a little good about another prospect. I need something, anything. I don't know if I can be talked into anyone else or even be OK with it. I'm too far gone.

[mrknowitall215]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

One of the two or three best pure shooters in the country. His shooting mechanics are flawless, and he possesses very deep range on his jumper. Has a quick release that lets him get his shot off in most situations. He's also a dead-eye from the free-throw line. Has diversified his offensive game a bit this season and is now putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. Despite a general lack of athleticism, he's not a bad defender.

[BeesWax]

It's unhealthy how much I want to draft this guy. I almost am afraid to go to the draft party if we don't get him I will leave early and be no fun and I haven't seen my friends in Charlotte in a months and I'm making a long trip for it. I'm really concerned we won't pick him and I need to feel at least a little good about another prospect. I need something, anything. I don't know if I can be talked into anyone else or even be OK with it. I'm too far gone.

I am really looking forward to the draft party.

[Liver_Pooty]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

One of the two or three best pure shooters in the country. His shooting mechanics are flawless, and he possesses very deep range on his jumper. Has a quick release that lets him get his shot off in most situations. He's also a dead-eye from the free-throw line. Has diversified his offensive game a bit this season and is now putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. Despite a general lack of athleticism, he's not a bad defender.

Yeah, didn't see anything about being a PG though.

[BeesWax]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

One of the two or three best pure shooters in the country. His shooting mechanics are flawless, and he possesses very deep range on his jumper. Has a quick release that lets him get his shot off in most situations. He's also a dead-eye from the free-throw line. Has diversified his offensive game a bit this season and is now putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. Despite a general lack of athleticism, he's not a bad defender.

That season was his senior year not sophomore year. He finally learn to dribble a little as a senior and no mention of any PG skills passing wise.

[MasterIchiro]

It's unhealthy how much I want to draft this guy. I almost am afraid to go to the draft party if we don't get him I will leave early and be no fun and I haven't seen my friends in Charlotte in a months and I'm making a long trip for it. I'm really concerned we won't pick him and I need to feel at least a little good about another prospect. I need something, anything. I don't know if I can be talked into anyone else or even be OK with it. I'm too far gone.

I am really looking forward to the draft party.

I'm going to have to be really drunk. I might bring a girl too so I don't want her to see me being really immature, even though I am, really immature.

[mrknowitall215]

No you agreed with Brotherdave when he said Redick played as much PG as Nik and was talked about switching him over. I ran with what you said and it was just plain wrong.

No, I agreed with 'BrotherDave' that Redick did run some point guard, as in brought the ball up occasionally & created for others, at Duke and wasn't just solely a catch-and-shoot player before he got drafted to the NBA, and that still ring true

Within those same parameters, Stauskas was restricted to just a catch-and-shoot player when he played alongside Trey Burke & Tim Hardaway Jr.

[JDR720]

should rename the thread "The Arguing about Nik Stauskas and Duke Players Thread"

[yosemiteben]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

One of the two or three best pure shooters in the country. His shooting mechanics are flawless, and he possesses very deep range on his jumper. Has a quick release that lets him get his shot off in most situations. He's also a dead-eye from the free-throw line. Has diversified his offensive game a bit this season and is now putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. Despite a general lack of athleticism, he's not a bad defender.

Right, he occasionally could drive the ball and put up a floater. For three years he put up jumpers with no penetration ability. Year four he figured out the miracles of the pump fake and used it to show some ability to get in the lane.

MKIA, I don't know how much Duke you've watched historically, but a lot of us our intimately familiar with Redick's game and development during his college career. He never showed the ability to be a primary ball handler or regularly create for himself or others off the dribble.