The Nik Stauskas Thread

[mrknowitall215]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

One of the two or three best pure shooters in the country. His shooting mechanics are flawless, and he possesses very deep range on his jumper. Has a quick release that lets him get his shot off in most situations. He's also a dead-eye from the free-throw line. Has diversified his offensive game a bit this season and is now putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. Despite a general lack of athleticism, he's not a bad defender.

Yeah, didn't see anything about being a PG though.

Redick is a combo guard to this very day. He was Orlando's backup PG (2nd-3rd string) his rookie year

[Liver_Pooty]

Id like to see any expert or anyone state that Redick was going to translate to a PG coming out of college. Give me a freaking break.

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

One of the two or three best pure shooters in the country. His shooting mechanics are flawless, and he possesses very deep range on his jumper. Has a quick release that lets him get his shot off in most situations. He's also a dead-eye from the free-throw line. Has diversified his offensive game a bit this season and is now putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim. Despite a general lack of athleticism, he's not a bad defender.

Right, he occasionally could drive the ball and put up a floater. For three years he put up jumpers with no penetration ability. Year four he figured out the miracles of the pump fake and used it to show some ability to get in the lane.

MKIA, I don't know how much Duke you've watched historically, but a lot of us our intimately familiar with Redick's game and development during his college career. He never showed the ability to be a primary ball handler or regularly create for himself or others off the dribble.

Lol this. I watched almost every game of his career. He was an incredible player in his 4 year tenure, but he was a catch and shoot guy his first 2 years, his third year he finally started being able to create his shot off the dribble, then his senior year he actually showed a few handles. Notice I said a few. If you call Redick getting a rebound and dribbling the ball up the court to pass it off being a PG than alright.

Still waiting for an "expert" to state that Redicks game could translate to being a PG at the NBA level. Its just so ridiculous I have to see it to believe it. Im happy hes done as well as he has to be honest.

[BeesWax]

No you agreed with Brotherdave when he said Redick played as much PG as Nik and was talked about switching him over. I ran with what you said and it was just plain wrong.

No, I agreed with 'BrotherDave' that Redick did run some point guard, as in brought the ball up occasionally & created for others, at Duke and wasn't just solely a catch-and-shoot player before he got drafted to the NBA, and that still ring true

Within those same parameters, Stauskas was restricted to just a catch-and-shoot player when he played alongside Trey Burke & Tim Hardaway Jr.

2.6 assists per game and 2.5 turnover as a senior. So didn't make much for others at least not much more than he made for the other team. Redick ran 0 PG and Nik ran some makingit way different. Redick would only bring the ball up on a break and immediately shoot a three in transition. Nik had more assist last year than any year Redick played in college and less turnovers than all but his freshman year.

[Liver_Pooty]

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

Yeah, didn't see anything about being a PG though.

Redick is a combo guard to this very day. He was Orlando's backup PG (2nd-3rd string) his rookie year

By backup PG you mean dribbling the ball up the court and not facilitating for others. Redick has not, and never will be a PG.

[mrknowitall215]

Still waiting for an "expert" to state that Redicks game could translate to being a PG at the NBA level. Its just so ridiculous I have to see it to believe it. Im happy hes done as well as he has to be honest.

You're probably not going to find that, but it was a topic of discussion that he might have to learn to play some PG because of his lack of length, similarly to Gary Harris

[BeesWax]

Here's Chad Ford breaking Redick down before the draft

Yeah, didn't see anything about being a PG though.

Redick is a combo guard to this very day. He was Orlando's backup PG (2nd-3rd string) his rookie year

If that was the case then it explains why never got on the court. If I had to play him at PG I would rather not play him too.

[BeesWax]

Still waiting for an "expert" to state that Redicks game could translate to being a PG at the NBA level. Its just so ridiculous I have to see it to believe it. Im happy hes done as well as he has to be honest.

You're probably not going to find that, but it was a topic of discussion that he might have to learn to play some PG because of his lack of length, similarly to Gary Harris

But like Harris he doesn't have and never will have PG skills.

[mrknowitall215]

MKIA, I don't know how much Duke you've watched historically, but a lot of us our intimately familiar with Redick's game and development during his college career. He never showed the ability to be a primary ball handler or regularly create for himself or others off the dribble.

I never said he was a 'primary' ball handler (i.e. as I used examples in Duhon being the primary ball handler for Duke), nor did I said that he 'regularly' created for others. I said that he did it in flashes, similarly to how Stauskas did his freshman year

[BeesWax]

MKIA, I don't know how much Duke you've watched historically, but a lot of us our intimately familiar with Redick's game and development during his college career. He never showed the ability to be a primary ball handler or regularly create for himself or others off the dribble.

I never said he was a 'primary' ball handler (i.e. as I used examples in Duhon being the primary ball handler for Duke), nor did I said that he 'regularly' created for others. I said that he did it in flashes, similarly to how Stauskas did his freshman year

At a huge stretch maybe his senior year could be within the realm of Nik's freshman year. Still Redick hasn't ever created for others well.

[mrknowitall215]

MKIA, I don't know how much Duke you've watched historically, but a lot of us our intimately familiar with Redick's game and development during his college career. He never showed the ability to be a primary ball handler or regularly create for himself or others off the dribble.

I never said he was a 'primary' ball handler (i.e. as I used examples in Duhon being the primary ball handler for Duke), nor did I said that he 'regularly' created for others. I said that he did it in flashes, similarly to how Stauskas did his freshman year

At a huge stretch maybe his senior year could be within the realm of Nik's freshman year. Still Redick hasn't ever created for others well.

Stauskas' freshman year was very 'role player-ish' without the ball in his hands. That's where my concern starts and ends. I'm not saying that Stauskas can't dribble. I'm not saying that Stauskas can't create for others. I'm saying that my evaluation of him is that he's just (as in slightly) above average at it for a shooting guard at best, and the fact that posters keep insinuating about his 'elite' point guard skills is completely overblown if that's going to be the expectation. Am I saying something that inexplicably wrong where I need a half dozen posters debating me about him despite the fact that I like him?

[Eoghan]

Still waiting for an "expert" to state that Redicks game could translate to being a PG at the NBA level. Its just so ridiculous I have to see it to believe it. Im happy hes done as well as he has to be honest.

You're probably not going to find that, but it was a topic of discussion that he might have to learn to play some PG because of his lack of length, similarly to Gary Harris

This. I never said it would be a good idea but it was a thought kicked around back in the day b/c Redick was undersized for SG.

[vorbis]

i think we need to settle on what being a "PG" means in this context, as far as whether Stauskas can do it.

initiating the offense is really not that big of a deal. you slow down, get a general idea of where 4 other players are and their defenders, and you either communicate with the coach or make your own call, give the ball to somebody and go to a spot. not a big deal and this doesn't necessarily need to be done by a guard. i don't think there's a lot of question whether Stauskas can do this. he's not a total derp with the ball in his hands and i think he's proven to have at least passable court vision.

i think the bigger concern is a term used a few posts ago which i think is more appropriate in this context: primary ball handler. bringing the ball up the court against pressure, keeping a dribble alive, being able to get a decent shot off if the shot clock is winding down, that sort of thing. every team (and especially one coached by Clifford, as he's mentioned this many times) needs to have at least one person who can be trusted with the ball in their hands on the court at all times, with the dribble alive, and pressure on the ball from the D. this is where decision making comes into play, lateral agility, patience, vision, comfort within the offense. and that's just to be adequate enough to fill the role.

this is where i think you can bring up legitimate concerns with Stauskas. i have my doubts whether Stauskas can bring substantial *added* value to this area without simply filling the role of a slightly over-qualified 2 guard. i think he's passable. usable in a pinch, and with some room to develop.

personally, i don't think this is where the hard judgments need to be hammered out on Stauskas' game. my opinion is that you need to evaluate what he can realistically provide on defense. is he going to buy in, expend the effort on that side of the court? are you going to have to adjust your team defense just to cover up his lapses in concentration, effort, and his seeming inability to stay in front of guys for significant stretches? if so, how does that affect his value? how much does it offset his ability to score and facilitate efficiently on offense?

[BeesWax]

I never said he was a 'primary' ball handler (i.e. as I used examples in Duhon being the primary ball handler for Duke), nor did I said that he 'regularly' created for others. I said that he did it in flashes, similarly to how Stauskas did his freshman year

At a huge stretch maybe his senior year could be within the realm of Nik's freshman year. Still Redick hasn't ever created for others well.

Stauskas' freshman year was very 'role player-ish' without the ball in his hands. That's where my concern starts and ends. I'm not saying that Stauskas can't dribble. I'm not saying that Stauskas can't create for others. I'm saying that my evaluation of him is that he's just (as in slightly) above average at it for a shooting guard at best, and the fact that posters keep insinuating about his 'elite' point guard skills is completely overblown if that's going to be the expectation. Am I saying something that inexplicably wrong where I need a half dozen posters debating me about him despite the fact that I like him?

He was a bit of a role player and score efficiently then too. If he gets the shots he puts up points. He can be a 3rd option but is not afraid to leave. He was a lower ranked recruit who came in passed GRIII and played well at stretches. I like that this showed he was willing to take on a role for the team and do it well. This year he needed to do more so he did. These are good signs to me.

[MasterIchiro]

“Size is always good and shooting is always good,” Clifford said. “You can’t have too much of either.”

Cho said he’s conscious of Clifford’s priorities and they work well together.

“The front office and coaching staff have to be on the same page. I don’t think they necessary have to be on the same sentence, but they have to be on the same page,” Cho said. “And I think we’re on the same page as far as team needs.”

[LofJ]

Stauskas played point for an elite college team last year and people are in here doubting his ability to play that position? I can understand if you think he won't be able to take the ball up the court with elite on ball defense from someone like Tony Allen, but his size and court vision will likely go a long ways towards helping him overcome that type of pressure. And if he's playing shooting guard that means there will be another ball handler on the court anyway, so it's a moot point.

That said if we truly do think Stauskas can play point in the NBA at a high level he's the no brainer pick in my opinion. Guys with his size and skill don't come along every year.

[RichBoy923]

This was the first prospect that popped in my head after our season ended knowing what our team needs. Since then I haven't found another player that I would draft over him (considering where we are drafting). If we have no intentions of signing Lance Stephenson, then I would hope we draft Stauskas.

[mrknowitall215]

“Size is always good and shooting is always good,” Clifford said. “You can’t have too much of either.”

Cho said he’s conscious of Clifford’s priorities and they work well together.

“The front office and coaching staff have to be on the same page. I don’t think they necessary have to be on the same sentence, but they have to be on the same page,” Cho said. “And I think we’re on the same page as far as team needs.”

This quote make it seem like Cho may attempt to abandon his own priority and lean towards Clifford's ideal pick

[HornetJail]

“Size is always good and shooting is always good,” Clifford said. “You can’t have too much of either.”

Cho said he’s conscious of Clifford’s priorities and they work well together.

“The front office and coaching staff have to be on the same page. I don’t think they necessary have to be on the same sentence, but they have to be on the same page,” Cho said. “And I think we’re on the same page as far as team needs.”

This quote make it seem like Cho may attempt to abandon his own priority and lean towards Clifford's ideal pick

Or maybe they were actually on the same page and agreed with each other. Not out of the realm of possibility.

[mrknowitall215]

This quote make it seem like Cho may attempt to abandon his own priority and lean towards Clifford's ideal pick

Or maybe they were actually on the same page and agreed with each other. Not out of the realm of possibility.

It's not out of the realm of possibility, but Clifford's endearing quotes over the past couple of weeks in post predraft workouts have been coming off as posturing

[MasterIchiro]

“The front office and coaching staff have to be on the same page. I don’t think they necessary have to be on the same sentence, but they have to be on the same page,” Cho said. “And I think we’re on the same page as far as team needs.”

Here's how I read this statement.

“The front office and coaching staff have to be on the same page (we have to agree on the skill set that we value/need). I don’t think they necessary have to be on the same sentence (we don't have to agree on the same player), but they have to be on the same page (understand team needs),” Cho said. “And I think we’re on the same page as far as team needs (but we're not necessarily on the same sentence as far as specific players).”

But at least Clifford can't be blamed if Cho drafts Harris and the pick fails.