Monroe or Smith? Suspicious words from SVG

[paQo the BAWSER]

Umm okay,

Sweet response.

He must have chosen kurtis48239 only because Smoove6Fan was taken.

I'm far to be a Smoove fan, it's just to being objective and not be a Pistons fan Monroe lover Smoove hater, I think he can contribute more than Monroe for this team, specially when we have Drummond and IMO he's better type of player to play as PF than Monroe, specially on D which was one of the worst liabilities of this team last year.

When I talk with other teams' fans, they see us like crazy guys with the Smith/Monroe issue, just like we see some Cavs' fans or Raptors fans, when they were talking about get Drummond for Ross or the Cavs' fans who are... Cavs' fans

[Pharaoh]

I don't believe it's a Smith OR Monroe issue.

I don't believe Dre, Monroe & Smith can't work.

I believe we needed a quality coach...and got one.

I don't believe we're so freaking hopeless that we need to remove more than half the roster (Monroe, Smith, Jennings, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome, Stuckey, CV, Billups)

Duscussions about ripping everything apart are fine but thinking it will happen or needs to happen?

I've got my own ideas on what should/could happen

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[kurtis48239]

Smith is a moron, he has already stated he never looks at his stats, he think he has Melo's skill set, Smith stopped jacking 3's for one season, why would he change now?

He looks to blame everyone from him self.

Umm okay,

Sweet response.

So was yours,iam not going to argue against those statements.

[kurtis48239]

Umm okay,

Sweet response.

He must have chosen kurtis48239 only because Smoove6Fan was taken.

Haha,O the irony.

[Moose10Fan]

Sweet response.

He must have chosen kurtis48239 only because Smoove6Fan was taken.

Haha,O the irony.

I just don't understand how you can expect a 10 year vet to change his game, J Smudge jacks up long 2's and 3's, it won't stop even if he plays the 4 and Moose is gone.

It is in his basketball DNA.

[Q00]

Why is Smith a moron because he said he never looks at his stats?

Would you rather have a guy looking up at the scoreboard to check his stats to see how many pts he needs to get a double double, or looking up at the scoreboard to check the score to see how many pts he needs to win the game?

I think all he meant by those comments was that he's not playing the game for individual success or to stat-pad. That he's just playing to win and trying to do everything he can to help the team win, regardless of individual stats. That's a good thing when a player says that, not bad.

[wallacex2jc]

I want SVG to work with all three of them. When Ben Wallace got his first DPOY and we made the playoffs, our overall roster (besides Stackhouse) sucks d*ck!! Coaching is very underrated in sports, and we got one of the better ones in this league. Just because they don't fit in those two bum a$$ coaches' system (what system?), it doesn't mean it won't work for SVG


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[Pharaoh]

I'd be interested to know if ANY coach has ever showed Smith or Jennings the data...

If memory serves the Heat staff showed Lebron where he was most inefficient...and he went to work eliminating those weaknesses.

Maybe Smith and Jennings aren't as driven as Lebron but maybe nobody has ever really provided evidence of why their shot selection is so freaking terrible?

As a player I was always told an open shot is THE shot...and now that's not how the game is played. Now it's all about corner 3s, shots at the rim and everything else is looked at as a poor option!

As SVG has said: teams might want to get corner 3s and shots at the rim but teams are defending those areas differently...

We need an offensive system that takes advantage of Smith's skill set - not one sees him stranded 25 feet from the hoop most if the time.

And Jennings...well...he needs a lot of teaching but he does have some strings to his bow

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[Notanoob]

I'd be interested to know if ANY coach has ever showed Smith or Jennings the data...

If memory serves the Heat staff showed Lebron where he was most inefficient...and he went to work eliminating those weaknesses.

Maybe Smith and Jennings aren't as driven as Lebron but maybe nobody has ever really provided evidence of why their shot selection is so freaking terrible?

I'm sure that Smith has heard the criticism of his shot selection, but I don't think that he was approached in the right way, so he ignored the voices telling him to shoot fewer jumpers and instead tries to prove to them that he can shoot. With Jennings IDK if he's really been told, he's been in the league a lot less. He seemed to be cognizant of the fact that him shooting a ton of jumpers wasn't ideal when he came here, but I don't know if someone's really broken it down with him how he's hurting the offense. Maybe he has and he's ignoring it, but IDK.

I suspect that the only way to get through to those two would to have a guy who they hold in really high esteem tell them to forget the jump shots- Rodman for example viewed Chuck Daley as a sort of father figure and always did what he was told by him. Maybe SVG can become that guy for them, but he'll have to build up their trust first before he starts trying to change their game radically. I think that Smith is sensitive to criticism that he can't shoot and will have to be dissuaded from shooting by means other than telling him that he can't shoot.

[Pharaoh]

I think that's why SVG met with Smith. Dude has been a borderline All Star for most of his career...

SVG is on record talking about the things Josh CAN do...put him in a system that takes advantage of that and we'll see what we see.

Jennings? With young players in the league I've always felt stability and consistency is the key to unlocking the potential.

How many coaches & systems has Jennings been in now?

As fans we can't expect players to adapt to a new system every season - its not gonna work.

Maybe that's why I wanted SVG so much....he'll have the time and faith from ownership to actually build something. It's nit about 5 year plans - those are BS spewed by poor teams. It's about developing a culture and a system around what you have and then getting complimentary pieces

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[kurtis48239]

Why is Smith a moron because he said he never looks at his stats?

Would you rather have a guy looking up at the scoreboard to check his stats to see how many pts he needs to get a double double, or looking up at the scoreboard to check the score to see how many pts he needs to win the game?

I think all he meant by those comments was that he's not playing the game for individual success or to stat-pad. That he's just playing to win and trying to do everything he can to help the team win, regardless of individual stats. That's a good thing when a player says that, not bad.

Right,theres no way an NBA player dosent follow his stats.

[kurtis48239]

He must have chosen kurtis48239 only because Smoove6Fan was taken.

Haha,O the irony.

I just don't understand how you can expect a 10 year vet to change his game, J Smudge jacks up long 2's and 3's, it won't stop even if he plays the 4 and Moose is gone.

It is in his basketball DNA.

Moose and smith both suck at shooting ,Iam not denying that.What I like about smith is his hustle,defense,athleticism,which out weigh moose.They both are good passers and are good scorers in the post and both have good foot work.So if 1 is better at 3 things and the rest is equal,Iam going with the guy who has a bit more to offer.

Theres also the fact that moose isnt a true 4 and smith is,we already have our center of the future so why give moose the max to play a position thats already filled,not to mention smith is being payed the max but is starting out of position,when he should be starting at the 4.Befor last season smith was considered a top 10 pf.

Regardless of who is the better player,whats best for this team right now and moving forward,is to use the money were about to pay moose and use it to sign a starter at sf or pg and a bench piece,or do a sign and trade for a player that better balances our team.

In all honesty I can see reasons behind both trains of thought for moose vs smith,but iam soooooo tired of rehashing this (which iam sure most people are) that I dont want to argue over the sake of argueing and thats why I gave you the response I did.How about WE ALL put to rest the moose vs smith debate until we see how this all shakes out,because basicly were all on page on pretty much everything else.

[Moose10Fan]

Haha,O the irony.

I just don't understand how you can expect a 10 year vet to change his game, J Smudge jacks up long 2's and 3's, it won't stop even if he plays the 4 and Moose is gone.

It is in his basketball DNA.

Moose and smith both suck at shooting ,Iam not denying that.What I like about smith is his hustle,defense,athleticism,which out weigh moose.They both are good passers and are good scorers in the post and both have good foot work.So if 1 is better at 3 things and the rest is equal,Iam going with the guy who has a bit more to offer.

Theres also the fact that moose isnt a true 4 and smith is,we already have our center of the future so why give moose the max to play a position thats already filled,not to mention smith is being payed the max but is starting out of position,when he should be starting at the 4.Befor last season smith was considered a top 10 pf.

Regardless of who is the better player,whats best for this team right now and moving forward,is to use the money were about to pay moose and use it to sign a starter at sf or pg and a bench piece,or do a sign and trade for a player that better balances our team.

In all honesty I can see reasons behind both trains of thought for moose vs smith,but iam soooooo tired of rehashing this (which iam sure most people are) that I dont want to argue over the sake of argueing and thats why I gave you the response I did.How about WE ALL put to rest the moose vs smith debate until we see how this all shakes out,because basicly were all on page on pretty much everything else.

Sure thing, but I few things I really don't agree with, Smith doesn't hustle, he actually is incredibly lazy especially on defence, he is a notorious ball watcher and has a history of run ins with coaches. Monroe is younger and more efficient, knows what he is capable of and has room to grow, Smith is what he is. They both may be bad perimeter shooters but Monroe is smart enough not to jack them, especially at the worst possible times.

We will see how it turns out, but I pray to god we get rid of Smith, he made this the worst season of Pistons basketball I've ever watched, and I've been a fan for 20 years.