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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#161 » by Mamba Mentality » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:55 am

Slava wrote:I can say with 80% certainty that we will get a better player with the #7 pick. I don't understand the fascination of trying to trade away a perfectly good asset for any kind of mediocre player available.


Klay is the furthest thing from mediocre; he was arguably a top 5 sg last season. Let's put aside his shooting abilities for a second and talk about defense? Despite having Iggy the Warriors often plugged Klay on the opposing teams best perimeter player, and he was effective. From what I remember he usually did a pretty respectable job against Kobe. The fact is he's one of the few good two way players in the league and that's something that can't be overlooked in this day and age.

Just think about having Klay under Kobe's tutelage...he'd get an excellent opportunity to round his game out and become a lethal 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team. I find it hard to believe that the #7 pick will land us someone better than Klay (now or over the span of their respective careers).
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Post#162 » by Slava » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:42 am

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Slava wrote:I can say with 80% certainty that we will get a better player with the #7 pick. I don't understand the fascination of trying to trade away a perfectly good asset for any kind of mediocre player available.


Klay is the furthest thing from mediocre; he was arguably a top 5 sg last season. Let's put aside his shooting abilities for a second and talk about defense? Despite having Iggy the Warriors often plugged Klay on the opposing teams best perimeter player, and he was effective. From what I remember he usually did a pretty respectable job against Kobe. The fact is he's one of the few good two way players in the league and that's something that can't be overlooked in this day and age.

Just think about having Klay under Kobe's tutelage...he'd get an excellent opportunity to round his game out and become a lethal 2nd or 3rd option on a championship team. I find it hard to believe that the #7 pick will land us someone better than Klay (now or over the span of their respective careers).


If I wanted to be a millionaire, I'm not going to be happy trading away a lottery ticket for a day's meal. We have a chance to pick up a player who can be a legitimate 1st or 2nd option (Smart, Randle) or an elite defensive player for the duration of his career (Gordon) or even a high quality all star level player (Stauskas, McDermott).

You do not trade away that pick for a swing man who can be picked up in free agency without much trouble. Klay Thomson is a decent player but he's no Tony Allen on defense or Ray Allen on offense, he is very limited and he's not worth a lottery pick.

I have posted all kinds of stats showing how little we have to pay to get durable service from that position like Nick Young, Jodie Meeks or Xavier Henry. Klay is not a can't miss player and if I were to trade that pick., I'd like to get an all star PG or an elite defensive big man.
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Post#163 » by leeprettyp » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:37 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/480899798930038784[/tweet]


Well that's that lol
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Post#164 » by tugs » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:05 am

that's actually good news
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Post#165 » by oldschooled » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:06 am

Kilroy wrote:Reading on the GB that maybe Minni's 13th pick might be included with Klay to us...

I'd do 7th and someone of Klay and 13th no problem.


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Post#166 » by tugs » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:58 am

based on the mockdraft, LaVine would be at 13. so Klay+LaVine eh. I think I want a big.
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Post#167 » by Get17 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:16 am

I want Love for 7 not Klay. Love's 26p, 12r, 4a per game blows all other options out of the water. Add a league-3rd best PER of 27 and what's not to like. #7 and 27.5 mil straight up cap space should get it done. Cut GSW out. Minny doesn't want to eat 30 mil of DLee and Boston can't offer the cap savings only picks.
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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#168 » by likashing » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:37 am

lakersin4 wrote:Let's take a look at previous drafts to see how many of the top 7 ended up better than Klay.

2013: 0/7.. Too early to judge this draft class but as of today, not a single player went in the top 7 that is better than Thompson.

2012: 3/7.. Anthony Davis & Lillard no brainers over Klay. Beal is a comparable player but I'll give the edge to Beal because of his age.

2011: 1/7.. Kyrie is the only player that went top 7 that's better than Klay.

2010: 2/7.. Wall is a no brainer.. Cousins love him or hate him is 1 of the best post up bigs in the league. You could make a debate for Favors & Monroe but I'll give Klay the edge over both (yes I hate Monroe)

2009: 3/7.. Probably the best draft of all of these.. You have Griffin, Curry, Harden who are all stars. An argument could also be made for Tyreke & Rubio.

2008: 3/7.. Seeing a trend with these last 3 drafts.. The players have had long enough to develop into the player they're going to be & thus there's more quality. Westbrook & Love clearly better, & I'll put Rose as better because he could still be an allstar when healthy. Gallo is close but I'll give the edge to Klay due to health & Gallo likely already hitting his ceiling.

I know people claim this draft is loaded but history shows us that our odds of getting a better player than Klay in the top 7 are less than 50% in even the best drafts. The majority of the players that are no brainer picks over Klay went #1 (Davis, Kyrie, Wall, Rose, Griffin)

& the thing about Klay demanding a big $ extension next summer is a cop out to me.. We'll still have this summer & next to spend our cap space & then as long as Klay doesn't sign an offer sheet before we use our cap space, we can go over the cap to keep him. Getting Klay doesn't hamper our cap space plans 1 bit.


People like picks the same reason they buy lottery. Of the first 7 players drafted this year, in 2-3 years, 2 at most 3 will be clearly better than Klay, and maybe 1-2 as good as Klay. Combined, it's roughly a 50% success rate if you are lucky.

But don't worry, GSW management knows all about lottery pick chances and isn't going to trade Klay for a #7. In fact, if you read the rumor was the Lakers calling. Mitch has to do something, and what other assets could he offer - Nash?
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Post#169 » by stunnar0b » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:10 pm

TyCobb wrote:For the record I'm against 7th pick for Thompson straight up, but I'm not going to go as far to compare him to Nick Young or dismiss his obvious talent.

It's a moneyball thing for me.


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Post#170 » by pdub15 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:40 pm

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DEEP3CL wrote:This is deception at it's greatest, like I said his numbers are a byproduct of who he plays with. Now given what you posted of course you wouldn't make that trade. But Klay is closer to becoming an All Star than Nick Young ever will. That's fact.


Not to mention Young put up those numbers on a bad team and Klay did it on a good team. It's easier to put up good numbers as the only option on a bad team.


yes but your scoring efficiency should be down on a bad team compared to on a good team. Not the case for Klay apparently.


There is more to the game than scoring. Klay is a better defender and becoming a way better all around player. Not to mention he is younger than Nick Young.
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Post#171 » by lakersin4 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:21 pm

Get17 wrote:I want Love for 7 not Klay. Love's 26p, 12r, 4a per game blows all other options out of the water. Add a league-3rd best PER of 27 and what's not to like. #7 and 27.5 mil straight up cap space should get it done. Cut GSW out. Minny doesn't want to eat 30 mil of DLee and Boston can't offer the cap savings only picks.

We probably couldn't get Love for the #1.. Boston is already offering #6 & multiple other first rounders & GS is supposedly still their preferred deal. 7 for Love will never happen in a million years.
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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#172 » by Michael Lucky » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:13 pm

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Not to mention Young put up those numbers on a bad team and Klay did it on a good team. It's easier to put up good numbers as the only option on a bad team.


yes but your scoring efficiency should be down on a bad team compared to on a good team. Not the case for Klay apparently.


There is more to the game than scoring. Klay is a better defender and becoming a way better all around player. Not to mention he is younger than Nick Young.

ugh no he isn't.
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Post#173 » by yassillio » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:28 pm

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How exactly does Klay Thompson make this team that much more attractive? I don't see FA's lining up to come play with him, sorry.


I think in the Lakers mind it does make them more attractive. Klay has shown he can play in this league, both as a scorer and a solid defender. A rookie picked at #7 is not proven yet. And look at past first round picks; there are as many busts as there are greats. At least you know what you are getting with Klay. Plus I think GM's and players have more respect for him than fans on this site.


I get your point, but there's hundreds of players in this league that have shown they can score and be solid defenders...it doesn't mean you trade a pick that can land a player with much bigger upside. There's always more than one way of looking at something...where someone sees a potential superstar being picked in the lotto, someone else can see a potential bust. Since there's no proof, neither is wrong I guess...but I'm optimistic about this years top players, and don't really see any busts from 1-7 at all.


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The problem with the Lakers is that they are not going to do a a full re-build. They locked up Kobe for 2 more years and probably won't want to draft a player ( even if Embiid fall) who will take 2-3-4 years before showing glimpses of true stardom. Lakers have 2 years to get Kobe his last ring and getting Thompson is one step closer to competing at a chance to make it to the 2nd round. Kobe, Thompson with either Melo , Lebron or Love would do achieve a potential championship.
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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#174 » by Slava » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:31 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisPalmerNBA/status/481277228446007298[/tweet]

Logic dead. Call da amblans! :rofl:
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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#175 » by DEEP3CL » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:10 am

Michael Lucky wrote:
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There is more to the game than scoring. Klay is a better defender and becoming a way better all around player. Not to mention he is younger than Nick Young.

ugh no he isn't.
Ahhh yeah he is....Klay is 24 while Nick is 29. And pdub15 is right, Klay is the better all around player. And I like Nick but he ain't Klay.
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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#176 » by Michael Lucky » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:59 am

DEEP3CL wrote:
Michael Lucky wrote:
pdub15 wrote:
There is more to the game than scoring. Klay is a better defender and becoming a way better all around player. Not to mention he is younger than Nick Young.

ugh no he isn't.
Ahhh yeah he is....Klay is 24 while Nick is 29. And pdub15 is right, Klay is the better all around player. And I like Nick but he ain't Klay.

I wasn't responding to then comparison to Nick Young but to Klay himself becoming a better all around player. That notion is ludicrous considering he hasn't at all improved his inside game, playmaking, nor rebounding which are all incredibly atrocious.
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Re: Klay Thompson 

Post#177 » by Faithless » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:17 am

Slava wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChrisPalmerNBA/status/481277228446007298[/tweet]

Logic dead. Call da amblans! :rofl:

Lol, I forgot that Chris Palmer exists. Unfollowed him a long time ago and didn't miss a beat.

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