2014 Official FA Thread

[SunsFanSSOL]

I thought he still lived in Portland?

got confused with Grant Hill. Thought Frye's family was living in Phoenix as well.

Frye lives in Portland, Or. He loves it in Oregon. His parents live in Phx but I think he comes here in offseason. I've ran into him a few times at my local pub when it's quiet. That was when I lived in NW Portland. He loves Phx but he's not that bound to Az. Maybe that would change if we gave him a contract to retire out on and then an office job.
Nash never stayed in Az during the offseason, he was in NYC or LA
What Suns recently retired still live in Az?
Grant Hill?
Barkley has a house in Phx, right?

Grant Hill lives in Orlando and Barkley does have a house in Scottsdale but he's probably never there with TNT being in Atlanta and him also having a house in Alabama. I guess the only Suns who stayed in the area after retiring are the guys who work for the team/media (Chambers, EJ, Hornacek, Mark West, Tim Kempton, Dan Majerle, Alvan Adams). Anyone else find it peculiar that Steven Hunter is so involved with the Suns nowadays? Dude only played 1 year here and he was just a role player, now he's like a "Suns Ambassador." Good to know the Suns take care of their guys after they retire, no matter how short their tenure.

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Steven Hunter is a Suns ambassador? I went to his summer camp, lol. Asked him if he was staying with the Suns, he said yes, he lied to me...

[BobbieL]

Frye opting out is a good thing. If he wants to take pay cut and stay then great. If he gets overpaid from someone else then great. Win win.

I agree. Frye opting out helps the Suns and he will probably get a nice 4 year deal close to 20m - so good for him

But this frees up 6.8m of cap space. That is huge. Probably can get Gasol on a two year deal using most of that - not all, most.

Frye was a very good player last year - but moving forward - I am glad to have the cap space

[phx#7]

Is it really surprising to people that players live elsewhere in the off-season? The NBA off-season is the worst time to be in Phoenix.

[Sreister]

Frye opting out is a good thing. If he wants to take pay cut and stay then great. If he gets overpaid from someone else then great. Win win.

I agree. Frye opting out helps the Suns and he will probably get a nice 4 year deal close to 20m - so good for him

But this frees up 6.8m of cap space. That is huge. Probably can get Gasol on a two year deal using most of that - not all, most.

Frye was a very good player last year - but moving forward - I am glad to have the cap space

This. Minus Gasol. I don't think he wants to be here/fits with our system. Was never a fan, he hates playing Center anyway. He's a big baby when he does.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Frye opting out is a good thing. If he wants to take pay cut and stay then great. If he gets overpaid from someone else then great. Win win.

I agree. Frye opting out helps the Suns and he will probably get a nice 4 year deal close to 20m - so good for him

But this frees up 6.8m of cap space. That is huge. Probably can get Gasol on a two year deal using most of that - not all, most.

Frye was a very good player last year - but moving forward - I am glad to have the cap space

This. Minus Gasol. I don't think he wants to be here/fits with our system. Was never a fan, he hates playing Center anyway. He's a big baby when he does.

so true. Not sure why people keep bringing up gasol when there no chance he wants to play here. I'm sure if we vastly overpay that could change his mind but that's a terrible idea.

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Gonna laugh when Frye ends up going to the Spurs and kills us on high Tony Parker screen and pops.

[Sreister]

Gonna laugh when Frye ends up going to the Spurs and kills us on high Tony Parker screen and pops.

You're sick.

[SideSwipe]

With Frye opting out, does anyone have a good read on what our total cap/salary obligations look like for the coming season? With Bledsoe at $14 million I have us at total commitments of $38 million, but Beasely's contract and Childress amnesty are throwing off my thinking this early on a Monday morning. If my numbers are correct that leaves $24 million- enough to add two pretty serious FA's. If Bledsoe's number is closer to $10 million- even better. If anyone know's for sure, if you could post it, that would be great. Thanks.

[McStunna]

Bledsoe's caphold is only around 7M$ until he is re-signed.

We should have around 27M$ - 28M$.

[JDLAW]

Frye opting out is a good thing. If he wants to take pay cut and stay then great. If he gets overpaid from someone else then great. Win win.

I agree. Frye opting out helps the Suns and he will probably get a nice 4 year deal close to 20m - so good for him

But this frees up 6.8m of cap space. That is huge. Probably can get Gasol on a two year deal using most of that - not all, most.

Frye was a very good player last year - but moving forward - I am glad to have the cap space

This does not help the Suns at all. Unless, he resigns with the Suns (or another team) quickly in the upcoming free agent derby, his cap hit goes from $6.8 to almost $!0M as a cap hold. So for everyone dreaming about signing free agents, it is not a help. Of course the Suns could waive his Bird Rights, but then sign and trades go out the window.

BTW Coro's article this morning hints that a long term deal with the Suns might be ready to go and that his and the team's preference is he remains a Sun.

[McStunna]

There is no reason why the Suns would keep his bird rights, they will drop them as soon as they need to.

Frye's caphold is irrelevant.

[DRK]

We must remember that Frye initially took a smaller deal with us (Bi-Annual exception) than what other people were offering because he has connections here. He went to high school in Phoenix, and College here too.

I highly doubt he will be leaving this franchise to play somewhere else. I'm 95% certain (and willing to sig bet any crackers) that the only reason he opted out was to secure a longer term deal with us, at (hopefully) lesser money.

I'm thinking around 3 years 12 million.

[jcsunsfan]

There is no reason why the Suns would keep his bird rights, they will drop them as soon as they need to.

Frye's caphold is irrelevant.

Right. They can renounce Frye's cap hold and then sign him outright at a lower amount if they want. They can also wait and see what other free agents are available and willing before making an offer to Frye.

So the "true" cap space is around $28 million. They can also renounce Tucker and trade 2 or 3 picks to move up some and gain some more space if needed. Safe to say, if they want to put together $30 million in cap space, they can do it.

[jcsunsfan]

Bledsoe's caphold is only around 7M$ until he is re-signed.

We should have around 27M$ - 28M$.

Nice chart btw. Very helpful.

[JDLAW]

There is no reason why the Suns would keep his bird rights, they will drop them as soon as they need to.

Frye's caphold is irrelevant.

It is relevant. You just do not rid yourself of assets like his Bird rights so cavalierly. There are reasons to keep his Bird rights. You're smart enough to figure them out.

[SideSwipe]

Good point on the caphold vs actual salary for Bledsoe. We will then have holds for at least two rookies (+/- $3.5 mil) leaving roughly $24 mil to spend.


Dream scenario:
Bledsoe/ Goodwin/ Smith
Dragic/ Green
LBJ/ Tucker/ Mcs Morris
Love (trade for picks)/ Mkf Morris/
Plumlee/ Len- if Okafor can still play, he would be great as a defensive anchor for this group

What is more likely:
Bledsoe/ Goodwin/ Smith
Dragic/ Green
Tucker/ Mcs Morris
Gasol/ Mkf Morris
Frye/ Plumlee/ Len

[Qwigglez]

We must remember that Frye initially took a smaller deal with us (Bi-Annual exception) than what other people were offering because he has connections here. He went to high school in Phoenix, and College here too.

I highly doubt he will be leaving this franchise to play somewhere else. I'm 95% certain (and willing to sig bet any crackers) that the only reason he opted out was to secure a longer term deal with us, at (hopefully) lesser money.

I'm thinking around 3 years 12 million.

Wow. I would hope you are right. I see him doing a 4 year deal though, last year being a player option (which he will most likely not opt out). 4 year 16million would be great for the Suns. I'd like to structure it in a way where this year he gets paid 2mil, and his final year he is getting 6mil. With that, the Suns should have about 25mil in cap room, we could front-load a contract to Gordan Hayward worth maybe 14mil, and offer Pau 3years 30mil. Hayward didn't have great numbers last year because he was a first option, but being a third/fourth option, he would thrive, especially in our system. Probably a S&T with Utah, as I don't see them giving up Hayward for nothing, so we give them Plumlee and a heavily protected 2016 1st. Pau being a third/fourth option is killer too, and his post game would save us when our perimeter shots aren't falling. By the time his contract expires, Len should be able to man the middle.
Oh and of course, after those two contracts, we match any offer Bledsoe gets. Our team is very, very deep.
Dragic/Bledsoe/Hayward/Pau/Len
Archie/Green/Marcus/Kieff/Frye
That's not including whatever rookies we draft. Probably give Markieff an extension, and Dragic, if we can manage that.

[SideSwipe]

McStunna, thanks for the chart-that is great. If I read correctly, if we gave up all picks, Frye and Bledsoe we are looking at at a total of $39 million (roughly) in cap flexibility. That's enough to grab two max contracts of FA's....hmmm. We would still have Dragic, Green, Morris Bros, Goodwin, Len, and Plumlee. This will open up options considerably for the summer. It may not be realistic, but we could go after LBJ and Carmelo...

Add those two to our remaining guys and you have something interesting. PHX can test the water in the FA market after July and trade away draft rights to other teams with cap for future considerations to clear the room needed.

[BobbieL]

Frye opting out is a good thing. If he wants to take pay cut and stay then great. If he gets overpaid from someone else then great. Win win.

I agree. Frye opting out helps the Suns and he will probably get a nice 4 year deal close to 20m - so good for him

But this frees up 6.8m of cap space. That is huge. Probably can get Gasol on a two year deal using most of that - not all, most.

Frye was a very good player last year - but moving forward - I am glad to have the cap space

This does not help the Suns at all. Unless, he resigns with the Suns (or another team) quickly in the upcoming free agent derby, his cap hit goes from $6.8 to almost $!0M as a cap hold. So for everyone dreaming about signing free agents, it is not a help. Of course the Suns could waive his Bird Rights, but then sign and trades go out the window.

BTW Coro's article this morning hints that a long term deal with the Suns might be ready to go and that his and the team's preference is he remains a Sun.

Cap hold is fine if you can do a sign and trade. Unless the guy signs a 5 year deal for 20m and not 30m, I personally do not want him back.