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Dark Faze wrote:everytime Dallas cheaps out they get hit in a big way--letting Nash walk, letting Chandler walk...
There's no way Cuban doesn't unload his wallet now that Dirk is talking about taking a decent sized paycut
Illuminaire wrote:I don't see a problem with offering Monroe a healthy contract and seeing if Detroit flinches. But giving up extra assets and extra salary for a marginal improvement IF and only IF suspicions about his miss-use in Detroit are proven correct...
Meh.
Dark Faze wrote:nate33 wrote:Frye is 31 years old. I don't like the idea of signing him long term, especially for what he is going to cost.
You have to realize that once you start talking about throwing around MLE contracts, you pretty much eliminate any chance of us having meaningful cap room in the foreseeable future. The moment that contract is signed, you have locked in our current lineup for the next 4 years or so, which means you are condemning us to try and rebuild our frontcourt in 2017 or 2018 while Wall and Beal are both on max or near-max contracts.
there's way too much unknown about our salary future to make that conclusion at this point--you could move Webster in a cost saving move, you don't know who we have coming back out of Ariza/Gortat or the cost their replacements could be, you have Nene coming off the books...
yea, it's not a signing I'd feel great about from a long term standpoint, but at least I'd know what I'm getting in regards to production--there's a lot more value there then what Webster is bringing to the table.
And it's becoming obvious that we need to space the floor for John in order for him to have any shot at posting decent numbers against post season defenses.
pcbothwel wrote:Illuminaire wrote:I don't see a problem with offering Monroe a healthy contract and seeing if Detroit flinches. But giving up extra assets and extra salary for a marginal improvement IF and only IF suspicions about his miss-use in Detroit are proven correct...
Meh.
Someone can correct me if im wrong, but Im not sure we can make him an offer without first renouncing Gortat and Ariza.
nuposse04 wrote:Anyone thing Utah would entertain Webster+Rights to Tomas+'14 2nd rounder for Kanter? Or is that an overpay. I still think Kanter can be a player in this league, now might be a time to try to buy low on him if possible.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
TGW wrote:nuposse04 wrote:Anyone thing Utah would entertain Webster+Rights to Tomas+'14 2nd rounder for Kanter? Or is that an overpay. I still think Kanter can be a player in this league, now might be a time to try to buy low on him if possible.
An overpay? From the Wizards perspective? Webster and the rights to second rounders is worth nothing. Hell, Webster might be negative value after his pathetic playoff performance.
There's no way Utah would even remotely consider this.
nuposse04 wrote:TGW wrote:nuposse04 wrote:Anyone thing Utah would entertain Webster+Rights to Tomas+'14 2nd rounder for Kanter? Or is that an overpay. I still think Kanter can be a player in this league, now might be a time to try to buy low on him if possible.
An overpay? From the Wizards perspective? Webster and the rights to second rounders is worth nothing. Hell, Webster might be negative value after his pathetic playoff performance.
There's no way Utah would even remotely consider this.
There was a trade proposed on the trade board in which Tyreke Evans was going to Utah and that was considered fair value....maybe its cause I'm no fan of Evans but I figured maybe we had the assets, but I guess not :/
On a completely different note, if the OKC Perkins+21 pick for Nene has any legs to it, I do it if Payne is still on the board. He might be the exact type of stretch 4 we need.
nate33 wrote:nuposse04 wrote:TGW wrote:
An overpay? From the Wizards perspective? Webster and the rights to second rounders is worth nothing. Hell, Webster might be negative value after his pathetic playoff performance.
There's no way Utah would even remotely consider this.
There was a trade proposed on the trade board in which Tyreke Evans was going to Utah and that was considered fair value....maybe its cause I'm no fan of Evans but I figured maybe we had the assets, but I guess not :/
On a completely different note, if the OKC Perkins+21 pick for Nene has any legs to it, I do it if Payne is still on the board. He might be the exact type of stretch 4 we need.
I'd do it if the best player left on the board was my grandmother.
nate33 wrote:FAH1223 wrote:Ersan is the most likely Buck to be dealt
http://journaltimes.com/sports/bucks/bu ... f887a.html
From the article:Still another Bucks player who could be wearing a new uniform next season is beleaguered center Larry Sanders, who has been saddled by a spate of off-court issues.
Sanders will be entering the first of a fully-guaranteed four-year, $44 million contract next season, making him virtually untradeable.
However, some team may be enticed to take on Sanders’ issues and hefty contract if perhaps Ilyasova, Henson or Knight was part of a trade package
Hmmm. What about some kind of S&T where we give them Webster and Gortat for Sanders and Ilyasova? We can resign Ariza and run with the following roster:
PG Wall/Miller
SG Beal/Rice
SF Ariza/Porter
PF Ilyasova/Gooden
C Sanders/Nene
It would wreck any plans for cap room in 2015, but we'd be set up to be players in 2016 when Durant and Horford are free agents. Ilyasova, Booker and Nene will come off the books in 2016. We'd have a roster or Wall, Beal, Ariza, Porter and Sanders plus max cap room. (Maybe resign Booker to a 2-year deal while were at it. If we're giving up on 2015 cap room, we may as well retain a pretty solid player in Booker.)
The bottom line here is that Sanders and Ilyasova are much younger than Gortat. Sanders is a rim-protector who can anchor a defense. Ilyasova is a pure stretch four who would complement Wall well. We'd miss Gortat as a pick-and-roll threat but I like the chemistry improvement otherwise.
nate33 wrote:Buzzkill.
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract
Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
mhd wrote:My latest:
OKC trades #21+Jackson+Perkins+Thabeet for Nene+#8
Sac trades #8+Terry for Jackson+Webster
Wiz trade Webster+Nene for Perkins+Terry+Thabeet+#21
MOCK DRAFT:
1) Cavs-Parker/Wiggins
2) Mil-Wiggins/Parker
3) Phi-Embiid
4) Orl-Exum
5) Utah-Vonleh
6) Bos-Gordon
7) LAL-Randle
8) OKC-Stauskus
NEW LINEUPS:
Sac:
PG: Jackson/McCollum
SG: Mclemore/Webster
SF: Gay/Webster
PF: Landry/Williams
C: Cousins/Thompson
OKC:
PG: Westbrook/Stauskus
SG: Lamb/Thabo
SF: Durant/PJ3
PF: Ibaka/Nene/Collison
C: Adams/Nene/Collison
Wiz:
PG: Wall/Miller
SG: Beal/Rice
SF: Ariza/Porter
PF: Booker/Gooden
C" Gortat/Perkins
WHY FOR THE WIZ?
1) They get rid of Nene & Webster's longterm deals to set up max cap space next off-season.
WHY FOR THE KINGS?
1) They get a couple of win now vets in Webster and Jackson.
WHY FOR THE THUNDER?
1) Nene gives them a much needed 3rd big, and that 8th pick lands them Stauskus who would be deadly as an open shooter next to KD & Westbrook.
Ruzious wrote:I agree with Dark's analysis. And all things being equal, I'd rather have Monroe over Gortat even if it costs 2 to 3 million a year more. The problem is keeping Ariza. I think the team needs to, because taking a step back now is something they can't do because they've painted themselves into a PR corner - and I've given up on Webster being a useful rotation player. And of course, clearing the room to sign Monroe would likely mean we give up rights to both Gortat and Ariza.