Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott

[MalikJoakim24]

Bulls FO is looking to do this to the rest of the FO's

Just like the Lakers have been doing to teams.

[MalikJoakim24]

And this guy at 8?

I'm with ColdFish about this one, this would be horrible.

[kyrv]

The common thread with this (and all the other rumors) to me is that the Bulls like their core, but feel like they are two moves away from being where they want; Melo or Love being the big fish, and then a lesser deal for a shooter (Afflalo, McDermott, Stauskas, or Harris) being the other.

I like McDermott as a piece off the bench right away because he lets Jimmy play his game and projects to be a good shooter right away. And the thing is that if you are adding a stretch 4, (and the Bulls have 3 options there, Mirotic, Love, and Melo) having elite shooting in other positions becomes that much more critical, since you are switching to an offense that will create a lot more 3 point looks as a percentage of your overall offense. The difference between 30% and 40% shooting on 4 3pointers is 1.2 points, but 2.4 on 8 attempts.

BB can you help alleviate some of the fears some of us have with McD?

[ATRAIN53]

If we want an NBA shooter, why are we not looking at Ben Gordon or even giving Fredette some looks?

McDermott is gonna be Adam Morrison the sequel.

This kid is not going to step in here and be any type of contributor until 2016 at the earliest - even if they spent the #8 pick on him, which I pray they don't.

[TheSuzerain]

both 6'8" 3 point shooting, big scoring white guys

McDermott had more sustainable success as a shooter and is the more versatile scorer.

which is why i called him a rich man's morrison

Doug is a good player who will have trouble defending anyone and scoring at the rate he did in college.

adam morrison, anyone?

Do you think Jabari Parker = Adam Morrison? Too black?

[D_GoLow]

What's wrong with keeping Jimmer?

[IcemanGervin]

If these rumors are true, got to give the Front Office some dap for being aggressive. Feels like they are ultra aggressive right now and that's a good thing.

As for Doug McDemott, you won't find a bigger fan of his than me, but if Joel Embid or Julius Randle are there at 8 you take them 10 times out of 10.

I bet our front office wouldn't.

[Axl Rose]

What's wrong with keeping Jimmer?

whats wrong with bringing Gordon back?

if we trade up to 8 i want Harris/Nik

[samwana]

I'd love that if Randle or Smart was available, Doug not so much

[BuffaloBull]

The common thread with this (and all the other rumors) to me is that the Bulls like their core, but feel like they are two moves away from being where they want; Melo or Love being the big fish, and then a lesser deal for a shooter (Afflalo, McDermott, Stauskas, or Harris) being the other.

I like McDermott as a piece off the bench right away because he lets Jimmy play his game and projects to be a good shooter right away. And the thing is that if you are adding a stretch 4, (and the Bulls have 3 options there, Mirotic, Love, and Melo) having elite shooting in other positions becomes that much more critical, since you are switching to an offense that will create a lot more 3 point looks as a percentage of your overall offense. The difference between 30% and 40% shooting on 4 3pointers is 1.2 points, but 2.4 on 8 attempts.

BB can you help alleviate some of the fears some of us have with McD?

What are your fears, exactly? That if you get him, you are passing up some guys in the draft with the potential to be better than he is 3-4 years down the line? Or that his defense will be bad enough that he can't see the floor?

Both of those are legitimate concerns, but I think the other side of that coin (for people advocating more upside, rawer prospects) is that there is a real risk that rookies we add to the team in the next couple of years won't be able to "keep up" with Thib's, and the vet's, level of basketball IQ and demands. You saw this with James Johnson and Teague. Both guys had a lot physically going for them, but weren't able to find their niche to fit in with the greater whole fast enough to contribute.

I think if you add McDermott to this current team without losing anybody important, what you're gaining is (hopefully) a younger, livelier, better shooting Dunleavy. A lot of Thib's base sets are predicated on movement and setting screens, and McDermott is a guy, like Korver was, who you can bring off of the bench to be movement man; unlike Korver, though, he is a threat from everywhere on the floor, which opens up a whole lot of stuff in terms of misdirection, trick plays, option reads, etc. And if you add him with another stretch 4 like Melo or Mirotic or Love, all the sudden you have two forwards who can shoot from anywhere, or cut for an opportunistic postup.

These guys are deadly in a Noah/motion offense because they can all shoot, which makes the initial play (hitting a shooter) so much stronger than we've had the last couple of years (where the offense has almost been more predicated on the counter cut than the initial read).

And then when you look at McDermott's numbers from college, you see a guy who really can score from everywhere without pounding the rock: From Dx:

Doug McDermott had one of the best statistical seasons as a scorer in NCAA history. He ranks 2nd to only T.J. Warren using 22 possessions per-game and leads all players in this draft class regardless of position scoring a tremendous 1.18 points per possessions. His 8.1% turnover rate is the lowest in this group despite his onerous role, while his 52.2% overall shooting from the field in the half court (1st) evidences how difficult he was to contain all year long.

McDermott scored from all over the floor in virtually every situation imaginable. He ranks 1st in this group using 24.7% of his possessions in the post, but also ranks above average in the proportion of his possessions coming on cuts and off screens, as his father drew up plays to get him open by any means necessary. He ranks below average in spot-up and isolation usage, but ranks in the middle of the pack in the overall number of possessions he used in nearly every playtype.

McDermott's efficiency was also extremely well-rounded. He ranks as the most efficient off-screen and isolation scorer, while ranking in the top-3 scoring off put backs, post ups, and cuts. His multi-dimensional scoring ability is thanks to his tremendously high skill level. Ranking 1st or 2nd among small forward prospects scoring 1.37 points per shot around the rim, 1.15 points per pull up jump shot, and 1.31 points per catch and shoot jump shot, McDermott is a plug a play type offensively at the next level. His lack of athleticism may limit him to some degree around the rim (and we haven't discussed his defense), but his feel for the game and high level shot making ability should help him make an impact for a team offensively sooner rather than later.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz35UspuOco
http://www.draftexpress.com

Now the Bulls won't play 4 and 5 out as much as Creighton did in the NCAAs, so I expect him to get a lot less looks at the basket than he did in college, but all of those numbers, and the diversity of looks and playtypes, speak to a player that can score from everywhere without needing to dominate the ball.

[Bandit King]

Let's Draft the next Larry Bird or Wally!

[dumbell78]

Too many rumors to keep up. I'm guessing they like him next to Love if we landed him in a trade, don't see how McD fits well next to Melo.

[kyrv]

The common thread with this (and all the other rumors) to me is that the Bulls like their core, but feel like they are two moves away from being where they want; Melo or Love being the big fish, and then a lesser deal for a shooter (Afflalo, McDermott, Stauskas, or Harris) being the other.

I like McDermott as a piece off the bench right away because he lets Jimmy play his game and projects to be a good shooter right away. And the thing is that if you are adding a stretch 4, (and the Bulls have 3 options there, Mirotic, Love, and Melo) having elite shooting in other positions becomes that much more critical, since you are switching to an offense that will create a lot more 3 point looks as a percentage of your overall offense. The difference between 30% and 40% shooting on 4 3pointers is 1.2 points, but 2.4 on 8 attempts.

BB can you help alleviate some of the fears some of us have with McD?

What are your fears, exactly? That if you get him, you are passing up some guys in the draft with the potential to be better than he is 3-4 years down the line? Or that his defense will be bad enough that he can't see the floor?

Both of those are legitimate concerns, but I think the other side of that coin (for people advocating more upside, rawer prospects) is that there is a real risk that rookies we add to the team in the next couple of years won't be able to "keep up" with Thib's, and the vet's, level of basketball IQ and demands. You saw this with James Johnson and Teague. Both guys had a lot physically going for them, but weren't able to find their niche to fit in with the greater whole fast enough to contribute.

I think if you add McDermott to this current team without losing anybody important, what you're gaining is (hopefully) a younger, livelier, better shooting Dunleavy. A lot of Thib's base sets are predicated on movement and setting screens, and McDermott is a guy, like Korver was, who you can bring off of the bench to be movement man; unlike Korver, though, he is a threat from everywhere on the floor, which opens up a whole lot of stuff in terms of misdirection, trick plays, option reads, etc. And if you add him with another stretch 4 like Melo or Mirotic or Love, all the sudden you have two forwards who can shoot from anywhere, or cut for an opportunistic postup.

These guys are deadly in a Noah/motion offense because they can all shoot, which makes the initial play (hitting a shooter) so much stronger than we've had the last couple of years (where the offense has almost been more predicated on the counter cut than the initial read).

And then when you look at McDermott's numbers from college, you see a guy who really can score from everywhere without pounding the rock: From Dx:

Doug McDermott had one of the best statistical seasons as a scorer in NCAA history. He ranks 2nd to only T.J. Warren using 22 possessions per-game and leads all players in this draft class regardless of position scoring a tremendous 1.18 points per possessions. His 8.1% turnover rate is the lowest in this group despite his onerous role, while his 52.2% overall shooting from the field in the half court (1st) evidences how difficult he was to contain all year long.

McDermott scored from all over the floor in virtually every situation imaginable. He ranks 1st in this group using 24.7% of his possessions in the post, but also ranks above average in the proportion of his possessions coming on cuts and off screens, as his father drew up plays to get him open by any means necessary. He ranks below average in spot-up and isolation usage, but ranks in the middle of the pack in the overall number of possessions he used in nearly every playtype.

McDermott's efficiency was also extremely well-rounded. He ranks as the most efficient off-screen and isolation scorer, while ranking in the top-3 scoring off put backs, post ups, and cuts. His multi-dimensional scoring ability is thanks to his tremendously high skill level. Ranking 1st or 2nd among small forward prospects scoring 1.37 points per shot around the rim, 1.15 points per pull up jump shot, and 1.31 points per catch and shoot jump shot, McDermott is a plug a play type offensively at the next level. His lack of athleticism may limit him to some degree around the rim (and we haven't discussed his defense), but his feel for the game and high level shot making ability should help him make an impact for a team offensively sooner rather than later.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz35UspuOco
http://www.draftexpress.com

Now the Bulls won't play 4 and 5 out as much as Creighton did in the NCAAs, so I expect him to get a lot less looks at the basket than he did in college, but all of those numbers, and the diversity of looks and playtypes, speak to a player that can score from everywhere without needing to dominate the ball.

Those were my main concerns you listed, awesome stuff, thanks.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Asking in earnest: isn't McDermott just a wack Mirotic?

[ChiefILL53]

Yikes, it could truly blow up in our face if we trade both picks for McDermott. I'm really not a fan of this, though I love hearing how active we are right now.

There's a strong possibility we could end up with Joel Embiid here. If we can get him, that'd be worth all this risk. It'd even be worth trading Taj for. How interesting would our future be if we end up with Embiid, Saric (at 16), and Mirotic all for 2015/2016?

I was GMin on 2k14 and one of the picks I traded for turned out to be No 3 and I took Embiid and traded Joakim. 2k Melo aint takin a paycut like real life Melo so I had to do wat I had to do lol. And I STILL drafted Stauskas

[ChiefILL53]

But if we traded Taj for McDermott, even tho I like him, it would be terrible. You gotta take Embiid if he falls. If we dont have to trade taj by some miracle to get 8, take stauskas, harris, or young. The latter two you guys have convinced me on.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Yikes, it could truly blow up in our face if we trade both picks for McDermott. I'm really not a fan of this, though I love hearing how active we are right now.

There's a strong possibility we could end up with Joel Embiid here. If we can get him, that'd be worth all this risk. It'd even be worth trading Taj for. How interesting would our future be if we end up with Embiid, Saric (at 16), and Mirotic all for 2015/2016?

I was GMin on 2k14 and one of the picks I traded for turned out to be No 3 and I took Embiid and traded Joakim. 2k Melo aint takin a paycut like real life Melo so I had to do wat I had to do lol. And I STILL drafted Stauskas

Who'd you trade Noah for?

[biggestbullsfan]

I would be just happy moving up period.lol Depending on who it is. Staukas is kinda overrated to me. But Harris would be worth it and Mcbuckets too.

[biggestbullsfan]

All these rumors. And we end up with nuthing extra but two stashes and a rookie at 16 lol

[Air Poohdini]

I guess it just depends on who is still available with the 8th pick, I personally don't see Emiid dropping past 5th.