Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott

[theagent]

he's not a franchise player or 2nd option or 3rd option....so why use a lottery pick on a future role player???

[IcemanGervin]

Wait, what is this trade deadline? lol has this always been around?

[IcemanGervin]

he's not a franchise player or 2nd option or 3rd option....so why use a lottery pick on a future role player???

Team chemistry, great character, son of a coach,winning pedigree, blah, blah, blah

[bearadonisdna]

Every single white American perimeter player drafted in the last ten years (i.e. the Posthinrichian Era):

Luke Jackson
Blake Stepp
Travis Diener
Adam Morrison
JJ Redick (eventually became a decent player)
Steve Novak
Adam Haluska
Jared Jordan
Joe Alexander
Chase Budinger (a decent rotation player for a while there)
Nick Calathes
Gordon Hayward (mediocre starter)
Luke Babbitt
Andy Rautins
Jimmer Fredette
Kyle Singler
Chandler Parsons (Hey! He's pretty damn good!)
Robbie Hummel
Nate Wolters

I absolutely hate McDermott as a prospect and it has nothing to do with him being white. However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue. It is a risky proposition that seems to have little correlation with draft position.

U obviously forgot kevin love.

Love isn't a perimeter player.

Oh that was only suposed to be perimeter players? my mistake love cant be discounted as a perimeter player as much of his offense does come from the perimeter. but yeah i get it he isnt a wing or pg.

[nomorezorro]

reading my last post back it seems kind of crazy to say 'it would be an unmitigated disaster to trade taj gibson or jimmy butler for a top-ten pick,' but that is specifically referring to using that top-ten pick on a player like mcdermott.

mcdermott's reasonable upside is kind of just 'taj gibson, except offense.' taj gibson calibre is what you're shooting for, here.

[theagent]

he's not a franchise player or 2nd option or 3rd option....so why use a lottery pick on a future role player???

Team chemistry, great character, son of a coach,winning pedigree, blah, blah, blah

that don't win you championships. sounds like a nice person to use as a job reference. But it ain't gonna get you nowhere near a title

[TheJordanRule]

However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue.

I will. Because its not a basketball reason. Its a trend reason. A perception reason. You evaluate individuals. Its little less arbitrary and idiotic as saying that you shouldn't "draft players from Duke."

If Doug McDermott were a more defensively powerful and speedy white kid, people would be thrilled. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with McDermott's flaws on defense and athleticism. Like Tong Po says, it's more tiresome to read posts once a year about how a wonderful college scorer is going to do the same at the next level because of intangibles when he doesn't have anywhere near the tools to do so. Then the year comes, the dude busts, and people find the next equivalent to go gushing about. I'll buy into McDermott if the front office drafts him because of their good track record, but till they do I'm against the move.

[FORMIDABULLS]

I prefer Stauskas over McDermott as what the general consensus suggest as I feel there's going to be some redundency with him and Mirotic on the roster. Mirotic has the advantage of having enough size and adequate athleticism at power forward, while the other is only an average athlete 3/4 tweener. McDermott might be better off the ball but I see some overlapping of skills and function that is a luxury we couldn't use in one position. That's not even accounting for their weaknesses and not when we have other needs to fill. It's also not helping if we have to trade Taj who would have served as a balance between the two. Give me the shooter/shot creator at the perimeter position, that's Stauskas or Hood if you want somebody that will be ready to contribute soon. It's not the first time we hear the Bulls likes McDermott but I hope this is a smokescreen.

[Profound23]

Like the thought of getting 8, not for Keith Van Horn (McDermott) or JJ Redick (Stauskus).

[bad knees]

Don't trade up for anyone! Draft Ennis and Hairston (whom the Knicks want), or trade for future picks, or draft and stash Euros. Keep your eye on the ball, which is Melo.

[IcemanGervin]

Julius Randle will bust.

Fixed it for you

I really think his motor is too high to "Bust" especially if he is taken in the 8-12 range.

[HomoSapien]

If McDermott could successfully defend 4's, it'd make our offensive lineup and spacing really interesting. It's hard to see too many PF's being able to chase him around the perimeter.

[Shill]

McDermott at 8 is a bit of a reach, but I think he's a pretty solid prospect. He has a diverse skill set. The lack of explosiveness will keep him from being a star, but I think he can be a solid role player.


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[85Bears]

If Bulls move up, I prefer Stauskas over mcbuckets but would be fine with Vonleh, Ennius or Randle.

My fear with Doug, is he reminds me of the Heisman candidate QB who goes undrafted. He's not Adam Morrison, he's Jordan Lynch!!!

[Jello Biafra]

Every single white American perimeter player drafted in the last ten years (i.e. the Posthinrichian Era):

Luke Jackson
Blake Stepp
Travis Diener
Adam Morrison
JJ Redick (eventually became a decent player)
Steve Novak
Adam Haluska
Jared Jordan
Joe Alexander
Chase Budinger (a decent rotation player for a while there)
Nick Calathes
Gordon Hayward (mediocre starter)
Luke Babbitt
Andy Rautins
Jimmer Fredette
Kyle Singler
Chandler Parsons (Hey! He's pretty damn good!)
Robbie Hummel
Nate Wolters

I absolutely hate McDermott as a prospect and it has nothing to do with him being white. However, if someone were to say that they simply don't want to draft a white American wing player that high…I ain't gonna argue. It is a risky proposition that seems to have little correlation with draft position.

U obviously forgot kevin love.

Love isn't a perimeter player.

And Ryan Anderson. Love plays a lot on the perimeter.

[bad knees]

If McDermott could successfully defend 4's, it'd make our offensive lineup and spacing really interesting. It's hard to see too many PF's being able to chase him around the perimeter.

I agree with your thinking, but McDermott is 6'8" and 218. Tough to see him guarding the 4. Plus, doesn't he duplicate what Mirotic is going to bring for us? And Mirotic is big enough to guard the 4 and shoot 3s on offense while Melo is playing the 4 on offense and guarding 3s on defense.

[DuckIII]

So this article says that all three of the deals that the Kings are considering include multiple draft picks and a veteran player. This suggests that the Bulls' offer includes Taj, and is not just picks only. Really don't want to trade Taj and picks for McDermott. I don't get it at all.

Is Taj the Bulls only veteran? Butler makes a lot of sense for them as well. Unless the Bulls are getting a lot more back than the 8th pick, and I mean good things, there is no way Taj is included in this deal.

Wager? Yes. If I am wrong, the board can create 5 potential usernames and vote on which one I have to use up to January 1, 2015.

Someone bookmark it. Because I sure won't.

Could also be Dunleavy and picks.

Absolutely. Point is, its not Dunleavy. I'd stake my (somewhat fake) name on it.

[mostek]

The Sacramento Kings are fielding offers from three teams for the No. 8 pick in Thursday's NBA draft, sources with direct knowledge told ESPN Monday.

Sources said the Kings have two deals that could be done prior to Thursday's 2 p.m. trade deadline to change the draft order and one would be a draft night deal, depending on which players are available when the Kings select.

The three deals would return multiple draft picks and a veteran player to the Kings for the No. 8 pick.

Sources wouldn't reveal the three teams involved in the negotiations yet, but the source said the discussions are more than talk now and the Kings are weighing the offers against the potential four players who the Kings think will be available at No. 8, depending on what occurs in front of them in the lottery.

The Kings have had multiple offers for the No. 8 pick but have settled on these three possible deals.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/ ... -no-8-pick

Two rumored teams were Mil, and Atl. Although they do not match up to these details. Mil was supposed to include both Knight, and Sanders, and Sac does have expiring deals to match salary, but Mil would not be returning picks.

Atlanta was supposed to be 8, for Schroder, and 15, but I supposed it could be expanded, to fit the criteria.

I can not see Chicago including Taj, at least not unless Love, or Melo was agreed to, and this states before the draft, or when the pick is on the clock. maybe Snell, or Dunleavy, and 16, and 19, but it is likely not Chicago.

[Leslie Forman]

I will. Because its not a basketball reason. Its a trend reason. A perception reason. You evaluate individuals. Its little less arbitrary and idiotic as saying that you shouldn't "draft players from Duke."

Well…nobody's gonna agree with me, but I'm just gonna say it: every white American wing prospect that was hyped up enough to make the first round in the last decade has been incredibly overrated due to being white. They get the usual white player platitudes like "smart," "hardworking," "skilled," "gritty," etc., when if they were the same player but black, they probably would not, at least not to the same extent. This isn't only a white guy thing, sometimes random black guys get these pointless platitudes as well (hello, Marcus Smart), but it has definitely pumped up the stock for a lot of white perimeter players who, with hindsight, should have easily been seen as the middling-to-terrible prospects they really were.

I mean, why is McDermott somehow now a top-10 lock, while fellow slow ass 3/4 tweener Kyle Anderson is barely a first rounder? How is McDermott somehow just assumed to be able to transfer his skillset over to the pros but not Anderson?

I think there is a tendency for them to get overrated because GMs give them a bit more leeway in thinking they will "figure it out" once they reach the pros. I'm personally still bewildered as to how every white guy (edit: I mean guards and wings, I liked Love a lot) in the last ten years that was drafted in the lottery was, in fact, taken in the lottery. I know not all of them are bad players or anything, but how they were that hyped up as NBA prospects instead of being seen as the late first rounders/second rounders they should have been eludes me.

Of course, I realize it's also bewildering how these same GMs thought Parsons and Budinger were only second round prospects. I would assume they didn't really come off as "smart" players in college.

[DJhitek]

I'm telling you, Doug has the goods and is a better athlete then anyone will eve give him credit for. I wouldn't trade Taj for that pick because I think Taj gets you bigger fish but I'm all for moving up to get Doug.

Problem is, I think Embid or Randle fall right in that spot, and I can't see how any GM would pass up either of those players. I would pass on Smart without hesitation though.