Bulls looking at No. 8 with McDermott

[Mattchoo]

I love watching Doug put the ball in the basket in college, but he is damn slow. I wouldn't take the risk.

Stauskas on the otherhand.... He is faster and can actually throw down a dunk. His shooting is good too, granted Doug's was statistically better... Something about how doug got a lot of his shots worries me.




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[ryan44]

Can anybody find me a player who averaged as few steals/blocks as this dude did in college and then went on to have a successful NBA career?

Those two stats are pretty good indicators whether somebody's game will translate over into the NBA.

What does that have to do with McDermott shooting a basketball or cutting to the rim?

McDermott could end up being a pretty bad NBA defender, but he could also end up becoming a pretty good complimentary offensive player too.

Edit: FWIW, I agree that McDermott at 8 is a reach, but I disagree with the reasons that he can't be a good basketball player being simplified down to "he's white.'

To be fair, some are going as close to saying "don't draft him because he's white" as possible without saying it. I.E. "I personally wouldn't pass on him because he's white....but if someone else were to hypothetically make that case I wouldn't have a problem with it."

[Leslie Forman]

so a white player picked 8 isn't deserving of the spot, he was picked because a gm is looking to lose his job? If the consensus on a player is he is a top 10 pick (and all gms agree, mocks have him there), then he is obviously deserving of that indication that he is that level prospect. Gms don't make picks out of pity.

Sure he "deserves" it, just like how Hasheem Thabeet "deserved" to be a #2 pick. But if you're going to tell me that if Doug McDermott was named Shabazz McDermott that he'd still be seen as a #8 pick…well be happy you're not the cynical bastard I am.

[kyrv]

so a white player picked 8 isn't deserving of the spot, he was picked because a gm is looking to lose his job? If the consensus on a player is he is a top 10 pick (and all gms agree, mocks have him there), then he is obviously deserving of that indication that he is that level prospect. Gms don't make picks out of pity.

Sure he "deserves" it, just like how Hasheem Thabeet "deserved" to be a #2 pick. But if you're going to tell me that if Doug McDermott was named Shabazz McDermott that he'd still be seen as a #8 pick…well be happy you're not the cynical bastard I am.

He'd be higher because his athleticism wouldn't be questioned, right?

[Chicago-Bull-E]

so a white player picked 8 isn't deserving of the spot, he was picked because a gm is looking to lose his job? If the consensus on a player is he is a top 10 pick (and all gms agree, mocks have him there), then he is obviously deserving of that indication that he is that level prospect. Gms don't make picks out of pity.

Sure he "deserves" it, just like how Hasheem Thabeet "deserved" to be a #2 pick. But if you're going to tell me that if Doug McDermott was named Shabazz McDermott that he'd still be seen as a #8 pick…well be happy you're not the cynical bastard I am.

Gotcha, that's what I figured. No actual analytics behind that opinion. Just biases. Good to know.

I'd be curious for someone to do an actual study isolating skin color. Obviously that's incredibly difficult due the insane number of variables.

[othawhitemeat]

I've heard the move up is for Gary Harris. The Bulls have a lot going on right now.

EDIT: The Bulls would want to add shooters around Rose and Melo if they landed him.

Harris is my guy. Also, I wonder if it would be a package like #16, Kings Pick, and Snell? The Kings liked Snell last year, they don't have much cap space with Rudy opting in and seem to want a point guard that can shoot (Napier?).

[Jimmy Forums]

Don't know if anyone posted this but Chad Ford and Jeff Goodman did an "Insider Mock Draft" over Twitter this evening (pretty inside stuff, right?), and Goodman traded 16 and 19 to Philly for McDermott at 10.

Ugh.

[alucryts]

Ok guys, cut it out with the white/black talk. It hasn't crossed a line yet, but I'd like to stop it before it ever does.

[othawhitemeat]

If McDermott could successfully defend 4's, it'd make our offensive lineup and spacing really interesting. It's hard to see too many PF's being able to chase him around the perimeter.

I agree with your thinking, but McDermott is 6'8" and 218. Tough to see him guarding the 4. Plus, doesn't he duplicate what Mirotic is going to bring for us? And Mirotic is big enough to guard the 4 and shoot 3s on offense while Melo is playing the 4 on offense and guarding 3s on defense.

Maybe the Bulls plan on trading Mirotic if they get McDermott? I don't know, but the Bulls better do it right this year.

[alucryts]

Aside from the angry blue text, I would like to know how good this guy is off the ball. If he has a high motor, he could really be a great Korver/Rip/Ray Allen type player in our system. We always have the one player who we try it with, and last season it was a combination of MDJ/Butler with neither being great at it. MDJ can't move well enough off ball, and Butler isn't the shooter he needs to be. If we got this guy, it would be a great pick if expectations were kept in check. He'll never be a star, but he has an extremely needed skill set if he can have extreme off ball movement. I would be very happy if we got him.

[alucryts]

If McDermott could successfully defend 4's, it'd make our offensive lineup and spacing really interesting. It's hard to see too many PF's being able to chase him around the perimeter.

I agree with your thinking, but McDermott is 6'8" and 218. Tough to see him guarding the 4. Plus, doesn't he duplicate what Mirotic is going to bring for us? And Mirotic is big enough to guard the 4 and shoot 3s on offense while Melo is playing the 4 on offense and guarding 3s on defense.

Maybe the Bulls plan on trading Mirotic if they get McDermott? I don't know, but the Bulls better do it right this year.

That would be a brutal trade unless you knew Mirotic wasn't coming over. Then it would be a scumbag trade.

[othawhitemeat]

I agree with your thinking, but McDermott is 6'8" and 218. Tough to see him guarding the 4. Plus, doesn't he duplicate what Mirotic is going to bring for us? And Mirotic is big enough to guard the 4 and shoot 3s on offense while Melo is playing the 4 on offense and guarding 3s on defense.

Maybe the Bulls plan on trading Mirotic if they get McDermott? I don't know, but the Bulls better do it right this year.

That would be a brutal trade unless you knew Mirotic wasn't coming over. Then it would be a scumbag trade.

I'm not trading Mirotic for McDermott if that's what you are implying. I'm saying if we trade for McDermott, then maybe we trade Mirotic in a separate trade (say a piece for Melo or Love, or a top 5 pick, whatever he can land).

[alucryts]

If McDermott could successfully defend 4's, it'd make our offensive lineup and spacing really interesting. It's hard to see too many PF's being able to chase him around the perimeter.

I agree with your thinking, but McDermott is 6'8" and 218. Tough to see him guarding the 4. Plus, doesn't he duplicate what Mirotic is going to bring for us? And Mirotic is big enough to guard the 4 and shoot 3s on offense while Melo is playing the 4 on offense and guarding 3s on defense.

McDermott would never play power forward for us in a traditional lineup. He would very much be the run around the screens with an insane shooting percentage guy. I mean, he could play the 4 selectively, but it would not be his strength.

Also, Mirotic and McDermott have similar styles, but you are looking at Mirotic as a traditional PF with his ceiling and skills. McDermott would be a one trick pony run around the screens to generate spacing and switches on the defense while Mirotic would be more what you would consider the "star" stretch four.

[ryan44]

Don't know if anyone posted this but Chad Ford and Jeff Goodman did an "Insider Mock Draft" over Twitter this evening (pretty inside stuff, right?), and Goodman traded 16 and 19 to Philly for McDermott at 10.

Ugh.

Does that mean that if the Bulls trade #16 and #19 to Sacramento to draft McDermott at #8 we can count that as a moral victory because the FO managed to get the better pick?

[mrlancers]

How about this. What are McDermott's measurements lined to another Creighton shooting star....Kyle Korver. Can he be as prolific of a scorer as him? Keep in mind, Korver was a second round pick, not a top ten guy.

[Susan]

Can anybody find me a player who averaged as few steals/blocks as this dude did in college and then went on to have a successful NBA career?

Those two stats are pretty good indicators whether somebody's game will translate over into the NBA.

What does that have to do with McDermott shooting a basketball or cutting to the rim?

McDermott could end up being a pretty bad NBA defender, but he could also end up becoming a pretty good complimentary offensive player too.

Edit: FWIW, I agree that McDermott at 8 is a reach, but I disagree with the reasons that he can't be a good basketball player being simplified down to "he's white.'

Won't have the athleticism to get those shots off. Sure he'll be able to hit open jumpers but if he is dreadful at everything else he's a net negative.

[alucryts]

I'm not trading Mirotic for McDermott if that's what you are implying. I'm saying if we trade for McDermott, then maybe we trade Mirotic in a separate trade (say a piece for Melo or Love, or a top 5 pick, whatever he can land).

Ahhh I see what you are saying. I would say no because they would play mutually exclusive roles to one another. You draft McDermott expecting a role player while you bring Mirotic over expecting him to play a more significant role in the team offense.

Won't have the athleticism to get those shots off. Sure he'll be able to hit open jumpers but if he is dreadful at everything else he's a net negative.

McDermott will be your prototypical 3 point shooter with high off ball movement if he is going to be successful. If you expect him to create his own shot, then he will fail pretty hard. He is basically a rookie version of Kyle Korver. If he succeeds in that role, he is going to have a place in this league for a very very long time.

[othawhitemeat]

I will say McDermott is an intriguing talent. He is nowhere near an Adam Morrison/Jason Kopono bust. Kopono was a shooter that used he size and hit mid-range shots. Morrison was a ball-handler against small-forwards at the college level and would shoot mid-range off the dribble but to slow against NBA players.

McDermott is very skilled offensively. At minimum you have a 6'8 shooter from deep (very consistent all four years - Morrison was not the shooter McDermott was ever). McDermott can post up small-forwards, is strong, and has a fadeaway jumper/back to basket moves (Kapono was not as strong as McDermott and not nearly as good in the post). He has very good foot-work too. Against power forwards, he can take players off the dribble. While his speed and defense are of concerns, McDermott can be a mismatch nightmare offensively. In today's NBA standards, smaller players are playing Power Forward and such. I would assume McDermott is less of a concern at Power Forward defensively. Who is going to guard him at the next level if he plays Power Forward unless you have strong small forwards guarding him such as Lebron. Do you think any of the Wizards Power Forwards would be able to guard McDermott? Do you think David West of Pacers could guard him? Anybody from the Nets? How about from the Rockets? Again, other teams will have to adjust to him and will teams just trade baskets. I can see why the Bulls are high on McDermott. You put McDermott on a team with Rose/Noah, and you have Rose creating (if healthy), McDermott spacing the floor or posting up, and Noah passing the ball to cutters, shooters, etc...

[BrooklynBulls]

McDermott will be your prototypical 3 point shooter with high off ball movement if he is going to be successful. If you expect him to create his own shot, then he will fail pretty hard. He is basically a rookie version of Kyle Korver. If he succeeds in that role, he is going to have a place in this league for a very very long time.

He's really not Kyle Korver, he's significantly slower, plays a different style of game, is capable of doing much more offensively. And if he IS Kyle Korver, what a reach. Korver was a great steal in the 2nd, but mid-lotto would have been a bust.

[othawhitemeat]

I'm not trading Mirotic for McDermott if that's what you are implying. I'm saying if we trade for McDermott, then maybe we trade Mirotic in a separate trade (say a piece for Melo or Love, or a top 5 pick, whatever he can land).

Ahhh I see what you are saying. I would say no because they would play mutually exclusive roles to one another. You draft McDermott expecting a role player while you bring Mirotic over expecting him to play a more significant role in the team offense.

Won't have the athleticism to get those shots off. Sure he'll be able to hit open jumpers but if he is dreadful at everything else he's a net negative.

McDermott will be your prototypical 3 point shooter with high off ball movement if he is going to be successful. If you expect him to create his own shot, then he will fail pretty hard. He is basically a rookie version of Kyle Korver. If he succeeds in that role, he is going to have a place in this league for a very very long time.

I disagree a little. I'm not saying I would take McDermott as first choice. However, he is more than Kyle Korver. Korver only shot 3's in college career (it's his only real calling). At Creighton his senior year, Korver averaged 3.6 attempts a game from 2 compared to McDermott's 11.8. McDermott and Korver are drastically different players in that Korver is faster going around picks and shooting. McDermott can post up smaller opponents or take off bigger opponents off the dribble. McDermott has very good footwork in the post too. If playing small forward, you better believe McDermott will be posting up opponents. McDermott if playing power forward will be stretching out teams and can rebound better than Korver (McDermott is stronger than Korver). I see McDermott as a slightly taller Szczerbiak in a less physical NBA that relies on athletes and not as high basketball IQ players anymore.