Official Draft Thread 3: Picks #4 and #12

[MAGICian619]

The problem is Embiid's agent, Tellem, potentially not sharing his medicals with teams other than the Lakers or Celtics. It has been reported he is keeping the medicals from some teams, it's just not clear which teams are getting them and which aren't. It wouldn't surprise me if Tellem himself is leaking all this doom-and-gloom medical info, and then only giving the records to the Lakers, who will shockingly take a chance on him at #7 and get their next Hall-of-Famer. I really hate this about the NBA.

Exactly. Why would his agent only release his medicals to Boston and LAL if his medicals were terrible?? This tells me that his medicals are not that bad. If his medicals were terrible, why release them to the two teams that you want to go to??

[G-Heel]

The problem is Embiid's agent, Tellem, potentially not sharing his medicals with teams other than the Lakers or Celtics. It has been reported he is keeping the medicals from some teams, it's just not clear which teams are getting them and which aren't. It wouldn't surprise me if Tellem himself is leaking all this doom-and-gloom medical info, and then only giving the records to the Lakers, who will shockingly take a chance on him at #7 and get their next Hall-of-Famer. I really hate this about the NBA.

Exactly. Why would his agent only release his medicals to Boston and LAL if his medicals were terrible?? This tells me that his medicals are not that bad. If his medicals were terrible, why release them to the two teams that you want to go to??

Maybe it's mind game, so Magic will think the same and take him at #4!!

[TheEnforcer]

The problem is Embiid's agent, Tellem, potentially not sharing his medicals with teams other than the Lakers or Celtics. It has been reported he is keeping the medicals from some teams, it's just not clear which teams are getting them and which aren't. It wouldn't surprise me if Tellem himself is leaking all this doom-and-gloom medical info, and then only giving the records to the Lakers, who will shockingly take a chance on him at #7 and get their next Hall-of-Famer. I really hate this about the NBA.

Exactly. Why would his agent only release his medicals to Boston and LAL if his medicals were terrible?? This tells me that his medicals are not that bad. If his medicals were terrible, why release them to the two teams that you want to go to??

The draft is all about smokescreens and misdirections. The end game may be to convince higher picks there is nothing seriously wrong, when there is in fact major red flags. The kid gets paid a lot more in the top 5 than at number 6 or 7. So lets say his medical information is crap, his agent then only releases records to the celtics and lakers so that teams in the top 5 get worried that they are passing up on the next Bill Russel or Kareem and draft him without getting his medical info, all while Boston and LA are laughing because someone above them just wasted a pick. If its me, unless I see his medical tests, there is NO WAY I risk drafting him. Lets say he is fine and the agent is just trying desperately to maneuver him to LA or Boston. Well, then do you really want another center who will bolt to LA at the first chance?

[magic22s]

Lowry/Bledsoe, Meer, Price
Dipo/Moore
Harris/Hark
Parker/Nicholson
Vooch/O'Quinn

WORLD DOMINATION!!!

Poor frontcourt defense!

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

Then screw it. give them all 3. We werent even supposed to have that high of a pick at 12 anyways.

Would anyone trade all 3 for a Carmello in his youth player?

Give Cleveland all 3, draft Parker then sign Lowry or Bledsoe out of the $20 mil in cap space then you got your team of:

Lowry/Bledsoe, Meer, Price
Dipo/Moore
Harris/Hark
Parker/Nicholson
Vooch/O'Quinn

WORLD DOMINATION!!!

Not if Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade are both available at 4

[Orlando Tragic]

Will the Orlando Magic draft Kansas center Joel Embiid?
Josh Robbins | Orlando Magic BasketBlogOrlando Sentinel
12:25 p.m. EDT, June 24, 2014

When the Magic and their general manager, Rob Hennigan, were considering potential deals for Dwight Howard during the summer of 2012, they obtained scans of Andrew Bynum’s knees and then sought feedback from physicians.

The feedback indicated that Bynum’s knees had significant long-term problems. That determination was a major reason why the Magic didn’t want him in a trade.

That turned out to be one of the best decisions Hennigan has made. Since the summer of 2012, Bynum has played in a total of only 26 games over two seasons because of recurrent knee problems. If the Magic had acquired Bynum for Howard, the move would’ve devastated the franchise.

The Magic will consider the question of whether to draft Embiid in the same way they evaluated a potential Bynum trade. The team has sought to collect as much information as possible about the talented Kansas center. The fourth overall pick is too valuable an asset to invest in a player if you don’t know all the pertinent details about that player’s health.

In this case, Embiid’s agent, Arn Tellem, controls the flow of information.
Players who attended the 2014 NBA Draft Combine underwent physicals, and teams received the results of those physicals. That’s the primary reason why the combine is so important.
But Embiid didn’t attend the combine.
Tellem can choose the teams that receive Embiid’s medical information.
It’s unclear if Tellem has given the info to the Magic in recent days — and that’s a question that will be posed to Hennigan when Hennigan conducts a pre-draft news conference on Wednesday morning.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/magic-basketblog/os-mbb-orlando-magic-joel-embiid-draft-20140624,0,6853026.post

[flying_mollusk]

Let's say on draft day, the Cavs draft Parker and we draft Vonleh. Let's then say that Lebron tells Cleveland that if they can sign him and Melo, both will go there. We could then do this trade.

To Orlando:
Rights to Parker
Dion Waiters
Jarrett Jack
Tyler Zeller
Sergey Karasev
Carrick Felix

To Cleveland:
Rights to Vonleh
Jameer Nelson

Cleveland then turns around and waives Nelson and Varejao. They then trade Bennett and/or Thomspon to teams that can absorb them. They then have the following in committed salaries:

Irving 7 million
Vonleh 4 million
(owe Varejao 4 million)
(owe Nelson 2 million)

That's actually enough to sign both guys to max deals I believe.

[G-Heel]

Lowry/Bledsoe, Meer, Price
Dipo/Moore
Harris/Hark
Parker/Nicholson
Vooch/O'Quinn

WORLD DOMINATION!!!

Poor frontcourt defense!

Yea, that team will be eaten alive in the playoffs. There's no good defender on the front court at all. Any good SF/PF will have field day on that roster. Vuc isn't Dwight, he can't man the middle with a roster like that.

[flying_mollusk]

So apparently the Lakers, and a bunch of other teams, are trying to clear up cap space to try and sign Lebron and Melo.

If the Lakers were to successfully shed the No. 7 pick and Nash's contract without taking any salary back, such moves would potentially open more than $33 million in cap space for the Lakers to chase James and Anthony

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11128 ... lo-anthony

Anyone want to help the Lakers? We can actually take Nash's contract straight out. How about the #7 and Nash for a future protected pick?

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

Will the Orlando Magic draft Kansas center Joel Embiid?
Josh Robbins | Orlando Magic BasketBlogOrlando Sentinel
12:25 p.m. EDT, June 24, 2014

When the Magic and their general manager, Rob Hennigan, were considering potential deals for Dwight Howard during the summer of 2012, they obtained scans of Andrew Bynum’s knees and then sought feedback from physicians.

The feedback indicated that Bynum’s knees had significant long-term problems. That determination was a major reason why the Magic didn’t want him in a trade.

That turned out to be one of the best decisions Hennigan has made. Since the summer of 2012, Bynum has played in a total of only 26 games over two seasons because of recurrent knee problems. If the Magic had acquired Bynum for Howard, the move would’ve devastated the franchise.

The Magic will consider the question of whether to draft Embiid in the same way they evaluated a potential Bynum trade. The team has sought to collect as much information as possible about the talented Kansas center. The fourth overall pick is too valuable an asset to invest in a player if you don’t know all the pertinent details about that player’s health.

In this case, Embiid’s agent, Arn Tellem, controls the flow of information.
Players who attended the 2014 NBA Draft Combine underwent physicals, and teams received the results of those physicals. That’s the primary reason why the combine is so important.
But Embiid didn’t attend the combine.
Tellem can choose the teams that receive Embiid’s medical information.
It’s unclear if Tellem has given the info to the Magic in recent days — and that’s a question that will be posed to Hennigan when Hennigan conducts a pre-draft news conference on Wednesday morning.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/magic-basketblog/os-mbb-orlando-magic-joel-embiid-draft-20140624,0,6853026.post

If his agent is going to be so obvious about it, I just wish he would come out and say, "My client will only play for Boston and LA"

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

So apparently the Lakers, and a bunch of other teams, are trying to clear up cap space to try and sign Lebron and Melo.

If the Lakers were to successfully shed the No. 7 pick and Nash's contract without taking any salary back, such moves would potentially open more than $33 million in cap space for the Lakers to chase James and Anthony

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11128 ... lo-anthony

Anyone want to help the Lakers? We can actually take Nash's contract straight out. How about the #7 and Nash for a future protected pick?

Jameer for nash and 7, they can buy out jameer

[BadMofoPimp]

Then screw it. give them all 3. We werent even supposed to have that high of a pick at 12 anyways.

Would anyone trade all 3 for a Carmello in his youth player?

Give Cleveland all 3, draft Parker then sign Lowry or Bledsoe out of the $20 mil in cap space then you got your team of:

Lowry/Bledsoe, Meer, Price
Dipo/Moore
Harris/Hark
Parker/Nicholson
Vooch/O'Quinn

WORLD DOMINATION!!!

Not if Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade are both available at 4

Or Darko/Exum.

[p0peye]

If you were Embiid's agent and you have his medical reports that say he's done playing professional basketball at high level, what do you do?

A) Refuse to give this medical reports to anyone and face high probability he sinks like Perry Jones III or Sullinger.
B) Share his medical reports to any team interested in drafting him and face high probability he sinks like Perry Jones III or Sullinger.
C) Announce to share his medical reports only to premier teams picking near the top of the draft and have a chance to fool some of the GM's to blindly draft him at the top, thinking you are trying to steer him to big market.

[THarris12]

@Matt_Velazquez: #Buck GM John Hammond: "It would take something very special" to trade out of No. 2. They're listening to calls though.

@matt_velazquez: #Buck GM John Hammond: The phones are busy with all the picks. Interest is "significant" in No. 2 pick.

[BadMofoPimp]

If you were Embiid's agent and you have his medical reports that say he's done playing professional basketball at high level, what do you do?

A) Refuse to give this medical reports to anyone and face high probability he sinks like Perry Jones III or Sullinger.
B) Share his medical reports to any team interested in drafting him and face high probability he sinks like Perry Jones III or Sullinger.
C) Announce to share his medical reports only to premier teams picking near the top of the draft and have a chance to fool some of the GM's to blindly draft him at the top, thinking you are trying to steer him to big market.

D) Share a biased version of his medical reports which don't show he's done playing pro ball at a high level.

[ZeusIsLoose]

@Matt_Velazquez: #Buck GM John Hammond: "It would take something very special" to trade out of No. 2. They're listening to calls though.

@matt_velazquez: #Buck GM John Hammond: The phones are busy with all the picks. Interest is "significant" in No. 2 pick.

Its going to be extremly tough to get into the top 2 unfortunately. the Magic's focus should be getting the 7 or 8th pick.

[warren4prez]

So apparently the Lakers, and a bunch of other teams, are trying to clear up cap space to try and sign Lebron and Melo.

If the Lakers were to successfully shed the No. 7 pick and Nash's contract without taking any salary back, such moves would potentially open more than $33 million in cap space for the Lakers to chase James and Anthony

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11128 ... lo-anthony

Anyone want to help the Lakers? We can actually take Nash's contract straight out. How about the #7 and Nash for a future protected pick?

Melo is one things but Lebron is not going to Lakers, just get it out of your minds everyone.

[Bigmagicfan82]

Chris Brussard just said on Steven A Smith and Ryan Ruocco show that he is hearing that if Cleveland drafts Wiggins 1, it for a trade. Take it for what it's worth.

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[Nyce_1]

So apparently the Lakers, and a bunch of other teams, are trying to clear up cap space to try and sign Lebron and Melo.

If the Lakers were to successfully shed the No. 7 pick and Nash's contract without taking any salary back, such moves would potentially open more than $33 million in cap space for the Lakers to chase James and Anthony

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11128 ... lo-anthony

Anyone want to help the Lakers? We can actually take Nash's contract straight out. How about the #7 and Nash for a future protected pick?

I don't give a damn about helping other teams but our own. I'd do that deal ASAP. Maybe send Jameer or a future pick.

[Optimus_Steel]

These guys like Brossard have no idea what's going on.