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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1961 » by JDR720 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:24 pm

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mrknowitall215 wrote:If Cho gave McGary a promise at #24, then I'll officially consider him a inadequate GM due to his drafting prowess. McGary might be the oldest player in the draft (sans DeAndre Kane) despite being a sophomore, and his production during his brief time at Michigan was underwhelming to say the least

Did we work him out? If so Im assuming he hit some threes against no defense and Cho didnt learn anything from the Zeller pick.

His only workout was the Bucks
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1962 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:27 pm

JDR720 wrote:McGary is 22 (turned 22 earlier this month) that isn't that old


I was 21 when I graduated from college as a senior. 22 is the typical age of a graduating senior, and he's supposed to be a sophomore turning into a junior. That's old. One could argue that his only advantage was his age against his class competition
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1963 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:29 pm

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mrknowitall215 wrote:If Cho gave McGary a promise at #24, then I'll officially consider him a inadequate GM due to his drafting prowess. McGary might be the oldest player in the draft (sans DeAndre Kane) despite being a sophomore, and his production during his brief time at Michigan was underwhelming to say the least

Did we work him out? If so Im assuming he hit some threes against no defense and Cho didnt learn anything from the Zeller pick.


No, but it's rumored that Cho gave him a promise at #24 to avoid his stock from rising out of Charlotte's range
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1964 » by Braggins » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:33 pm

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mrknowitall215 wrote:If Cho gave McGary a promise at #24, then I'll officially consider him a inadequate GM due to his drafting prowess. McGary might be the oldest player in the draft (sans DeAndre Kane) despite being a sophomore, and his production during his brief time at Michigan was underwhelming to say the least

Did we work him out? If so Im assuming he hit some threes against no defense and Cho didnt learn anything from the Zeller pick.


No, but it's rumored that Cho gave him a promise at #24 to avoid his stock from rising out of Charlotte's range

Wow..., if that scenario plays out Ill be praying to the basketball gods for one of those Kemba to the Sixers trades you were talking about earlier in this thread.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1965 » by JDR720 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:33 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Sign me up for Joe Harris if we can snag him with our second round pick.

Also big Johnny O'Bryant fan, would love adding him with that second round pick too.

yea Jonny is who i want in the 2nd, either him or Patric Young
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Post#1966 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:34 pm

What I like about McGary is he's a team player. It's one of the things I really like about Stauskas as well. I enjoy watching unselfish ballplayers and I like to see how everyone around them plays better when they're on the court. We really should be watching the Spurs and not swinging for the fences for individual opportunistic performers. And it's not like Stauskas or McGary don't have other NBA traits/skills that translate. For me, being a playmaker is a big deal on this team because we've got too many unskilled players playing hero ball.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1967 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:41 pm

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Braggins wrote:Did we work him out? If so Im assuming he hit some threes against no defense and Cho didnt learn anything from the Zeller pick.


No, but it's rumored that Cho gave him a promise at #24 to avoid his stock from rising out of Charlotte's range

Wow..., if that scenario plays out Ill be praying to the basketball gods for one of those Kemba to the Sixers trades you were talking about earlier in this thread.


I've been praying for those scenarios ever since MCW's hype reached a level way above his play grade. Likewise, I don't want to see Kemba sabotaged in Charlotte with Cho's grand scheme of things if some of these rumors & skepticisms are true. To this day many have suspicions that Kemba was a Jordan pick that only happened because Cho's favored player, Brandon Knight, was selected the pick before by the Pistons. I wouldn't be surprised if Cho would rather another starting point guard of the future than Kemba, and that's the reason why we're hearing these Elfrid Payton rumors combined with Gary Harris' possible translation into a point guard at the pro level. I never really ever heard Cho speak 'highly' of Kemba like I did Higgins before he resigned, but then again Cho kind of played the background as Higgins was the spokesperson, so I can't be so certain
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1968 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:43 pm

You can't be so certain? That doesn't sound like you.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1969 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:47 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:You can't be so certain? That doesn't sound like you.


I can't be certain because I don't pay close enough attention to Cho to have observed the (few) times he may have spoken highly of Kemba, so of course "I can't be certain". Cho haven't been the front man of the front office really, but now that Higgins is gone, he likely will be
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1970 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:50 pm

I know one thing, you won't catch Jordan gloating about the Zeller pick :lol:
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1971 » by Braggins » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:54 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:What I like about McGary is he's a team player. It's one of the things I really like about Stauskas as well. I enjoy watching unselfish ballplayers and I like to see how everyone around them plays better when they're on the court. We really should be watching the Spurs and not swinging for the fences for individual opportunistic performers. And it's not like Stauskas or McGary don't have other NBA traits/skills that translate. For me, being a playmaker is a big deal on this team because we've got too many unskilled players playing hero ball.

Stauskas also has a lot of talent and is a perfect positional/skill fit. Mcgary, not so much.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1972 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:55 pm

I'm nervous about McGary and wish he'd gone back to school for a year so we could see him some more. I don't understand why he picked this year to come out - super deep draft and fresh off a nearly year long suspension so no one has seen him play recently.

Also there's this - http://fansided.com/2014/06/23/nba-draf ... ck/#!3g3hY

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Post#1973 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:03 pm

Mitch with his passing also seems like a pick and roll specialist. That really fits the schemes we're using to groom all these young core players. When Al is off the court, you lose so much production, it could help if Biz or Zeller excelled in pick and roll but they don't. I'm not saying McGary is a replacement for Big Al but it's nice to create a system with fluency across the roster and continuity from one rotation to another. It's a strategic advantage.

I also think this supposed promise to McGary if true indicates a short leash for Biyombo as part of the long-term plan. I mean, Al played huge minutes last year, especially with the 2nd unit while Biyombo sat. I don't think his spot is so secure that they wouldn't consider a role player at center and look to move Biyombo at some point.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1974 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:07 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Mitch with his passing also seems like a pick and roll specialist. That really fits the schemes we're using to groom all these young core players. When Al is off the court, you lose so much production, it could help if Biz or Zeller excelled in pick and roll but they don't. I'm not saying McGary is a replacement for Big Al but it's nice to create a system with fluency across the roster and continuity from one rotation to another. It's a strategic advantage.

I also think this supposed promise to McGary if true indicates a short leash for Biyombo as part of the long-term plan. I mean, Al played huge minutes last year, especially with the 2nd unit while Biyombo sat. I don't think his spot is so secure that they wouldn't consider a role player at center and look to move Biyombo at some point.


I guess the Michigan Wolverines in John Beilein's system was the team of overrated assist makers because this is the second prospect from their program whom assist rate you have over-exaggerated
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1975 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:12 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Mitch with his passing also seems like a pick and roll specialist. That really fits the schemes we're using to groom all these young core players. When Al is off the court, you lose so much production, it could help if Biz or Zeller excelled in pick and roll but they don't. I'm not saying McGary is a replacement for Big Al but it's nice to create a system with fluency across the roster and continuity from one rotation to another. It's a strategic advantage.

I also think this supposed promise to McGary if true indicates a short leash for Biyombo as part of the long-term plan. I mean, Al played huge minutes last year, especially with the 2nd unit while Biyombo sat. I don't think his spot is so secure that they wouldn't consider a role player at center and look to move Biyombo at some point.


I guess the Michigan Wolverines in John Beilein's system was the team of overrated assist makers because this is the second prospect from their program whom assist rate you have over-exaggerated


Also happens to be an elite program considering their finish 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. Michigan finished as the runner up and should have made the Final Four all with these overrated assist guys. And look at the Spurs, it's a pity they always look for the extra pass. They could have been a contender.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1976 » by Eoghan » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:19 pm

I like McGary at 24, perfectly fine with that if his back checks out. Brad Miller 2.0.

He ain't replacing Biz though, McGary can't protect the rim either.
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Post#1977 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:21 pm

BrotherDave wrote:I like McGary at 24, perfectly fine with that if his back checks out. Brad Miller 2.0.

He ain't replacing Biz though, McGary can't protect the rim either.


He can do literally everything else better though. Has he had a physical with any doctors lately?
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1978 » by Eoghan » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:26 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I like McGary at 24, perfectly fine with that if his back checks out. Brad Miller 2.0.

He ain't replacing Biz though, McGary can't protect the rim either.


He can do literally everything else better though. Has he had a physical with any doctors lately?

I question his ability to score in the post consistently against NBA C's, his length and athleticism isn't very good. Optimally, I think he should lose a bunch of weight and transition to a PF like David West. Really like his IQ though, he's a baller. Couldn't tell you about physicals, I've been wondering about his health lately myself.
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1979 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:27 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I like McGary at 24, perfectly fine with that if his back checks out. Brad Miller 2.0.

He ain't replacing Biz though, McGary can't protect the rim either.


He can do literally everything else better though. Has he had a physical with any doctors lately?

Nope, and no one is getting to do one before the draft: http://fansided.com/2014/06/23/nba-draf ... ck/#!3h08M

WTF is going on there?
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Re: 2014 General Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1980 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:30 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I like McGary at 24, perfectly fine with that if his back checks out. Brad Miller 2.0.

He ain't replacing Biz though, McGary can't protect the rim either.


He can do literally everything else better though. Has he had a physical with any doctors lately?

Nope, and no one is getting to do one before the draft: http://fansided.com/2014/06/23/nba-draf ... ck/#!3h08M

WTF is going on there?


Ahhh. I wonder how he looked in his Bucks workout. He has more mysterys about him than Dante Exum apparently.
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