Clippers Would Consider Moving Blake In Deal For LeBron

Stylin_on_You · Post #21 » by **Stylin_on_You** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:09 am

TheHottestHand wrote:If lebron trotted out west, the east would be as wide open as my ex-girlfriends snatch

oh wow, sounds like a hard breakup bro *fist bumps*

crazymaso · Post #22 » by **crazymaso** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:34 am

Bubstubbler wrote:It would be much smarter for the Clippers to trade their assets for future picks to clear cap space, then just sign LeBron outright.

If you trade Blake for LeBron, all you get is LeBron.

If you trade Blake to some other team for future picks, then you get LeBron AND those future picks.

This is a game of asset management, and LA would be severely underplaying their hand if they were to go the dim bulb route and needlessly waste those assets in a sign-and-trade.

Clippers would have to free up $30M before they can even begin to think about signing LeBron to a contract.

So in other words, a trade for LBJ is the only way feasible.

Pedro · Post #23 » by **Pedro** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:28 am

Even if this story has any shred of validity, there is no chance Pat Riley would agree to trade Lebron for Griffin or any realistic collection of other players or picks. Griffin is a mediocre defender and after 4 seasons playing "Power Foward" he still has no post game. Pat Riley requires excellent defense from his best player and Griffin lacks it. Griffin also lacks leadership skills. He cannot be any contending teams first option.

Bravenewworld · Post #24 » by **Bravenewworld** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:58 am

Lebron knows better then to go to the Western conference.

2thehoopand1 · Post #25 » by **2thehoopand1** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:16 am

Well if the clips get rid of Blake to make room for lebron and they don't get him add another fan base to the list that hates lebron.

jeromyisceltics · Post #26 » by **jeromyisceltics** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:22 am

Pedro wrote:Even if this story has any shred of validity, there is no chance Pat Riley would agree to trade Lebron for Griffin or any realistic collection of other players or picks. Griffin is a mediocre defender and after 4 seasons playing "Power Foward" he still has no post game. Pat Riley requires excellent defense from his best player and Griffin lacks it. Griffin also lacks leadership skills. He cannot be any contending teams first option.

He might not bring an immediate championship, but Blake's a draw and improving.

Could the Clips move DeAndre /Reddick and not take salary back and make a Melo run too? Any scenarios work?

I'm not LeBron fan but I don't think he'd have an issue playing in the Western Conference. Part of me thinks he'd welcome the opportunity to play on that level nightly. Maybe he takes Eastern Conference games off to rest.

alienpick · Post #27 » by **alienpick** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:42 am

deeps6x wrote:
alienpick wrote:no one would want Blake in return for LeBron

Yeah, if LBJ tells the clippers he is interested in playing for them, now that he is a free agent, the clippers would have a couple options. Move the necessary players to create enough cap space to the Heat or to the other 28 teams in the league.

If you are Pat Riley, are you going to tell the Clippers to go F themselves and get nothing for LeBron, or are you going to say, Hell Yeah! I'll take Blake and some filler!

From the Clippers perspective, if LBJ wants to play for them, it would be easier to trade with Miami to clear the cap space than it would to trade with the other teams in the league. The other teams don't want another super team created, so they'd all be insisting on first round picks being bundles with the Clipper dregs. Miami would need to show it's fans they got something of value for LBJ. Unless they can sign Melo as his replacement, Blake might be the next best thing.

If you are the clippers, why are you giving up Blake? Mostly because he is essentially LBJ lite. Who are we kidding here. LBJ is more power forward than small forward. He is like a point power forward on the Heat.

As long as LBJ goes to the West, I don't care where. Just not the Spurs. They repeat.

Yes that is about the ONLY way Miami would accept the trade. Although they might just say keep Griffin and go get Carmelo with the money left over from Lebron.

DangerCurtis · Post #28 » by **DangerCurtis** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:56 am

Even though Lebron is the best player in the NBA right now, and Blake will probably never reach Lebron heights at any point in his career, if I were GM of the Clippers I would never ever make this trade. What he means to Clipper fans and the franchise far exceeds any stats or wins.

Yeah a championship would be nice, but even having Lebron on your team doesn't automatically guarantee that.

Bubstubbler · Post #29 » by **Bubstubbler** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:44 am

crazymaso wrote:
Bubstubbler wrote:It would be much smarter for the Clippers to trade their assets for future picks to clear cap space, then just sign LeBron outright.

If you trade Blake for LeBron, all you get is LeBron.

If you trade Blake to some other team for future picks, then you get LeBron AND those future picks.

This is a game of asset management, and LA would be severely underplaying their hand if they were to go the dim bulb route and needlessly waste those assets in a sign-and-trade.

Clippers would have to free up $30M before they can even begin to think about signing LeBron to a contract.

So in other words, a trade for LBJ is the only way feasible.

Your conclusion does not follow from your premise.

This has already been discussed in other threads. It is quite feasible for LA to clear the necessary cap room and stockpile future picks in the process.

crazymaso · Post #30 » by **crazymaso** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:56 am

Bubstubbler wrote:
crazymaso wrote:
Bubstubbler wrote:Your conclusion does not follow from your premise.

This has already been discussed in other threads. It is quite feasible for LA to clear the necessary cap room and stockpile future picks in the process.

It is absolutely not feasible in ANY possible way.

Cap Projection: $63M
Clippers Salary: $72.2M - not including cap holds

DJ + Blake + CP3 = ~$49M.
63M - 49M = $14M (not including CBA rules and regulations).

So, you have 14M cap space remaining with only THREE players on the roster.

LeBron is not taking a contract for less than 14M starting, unless it's the Heat.

CBA RULES:
When a team falls below 12 rostered players (including current year draft picks), a roster charge is applicable. For each player under 12, the charge is a rookie salary. Predicted to be at around 500k.

This has to be kept in mind. If Clippers traded away most of their roster for LBJ, you will need to add anywhere between $2-4M of a roster charge before offering a contract to LBJ.

LBJ will not be taking a contract with a starting salary of $10-13M. If he does, then every single other player is on minimum / veteran contracts.

Alternative:
Trading away DJ to clear up space.

$72.2M - 11.4M = ~$60.5M
* Need to clear up at least 13M minimum to offer a contract.
- That means JJ, Jamal / Jared / Matt Barnes.
- Basically JJ needs to go, alongside two of the others just mentioned.

10 current roster players - 4 traded away = 6 on roster. This means at least 5 x rookie charge @ 500k each = $2.5M.
$72.2 - 11.4M - 6.8M - ~4.5M + ~2.5M = 52M.

See where I am going here?
Cap Space Projection $63M - 52M = 11M starting salary for Bron.

(I'm not gonna look up to see what picks the Clippers have this year. This makes a minor difference, so I did 5 as an average for the rookie charge)

Look, the Clippers have to butcher their entire team in order to offer a contract to LBJ. That is downright stupid. You also have to find teams UNDER the cap space to send these players too..it's not NBA 2k14 where you can be like "hmm your under cap, take this player for this team. Force trade. Thanks"

If I have overlooked anything, please point it out. I see absolutely no feasible way the Clippers can sign LBJ in the realistic world.

2thehoopand1 · Post #31 » by **2thehoopand1** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:59 am

I'm telling you lebron is trying to get everyone's goat this time around teams are going dump players to make room as soon some other team thinks they have a chance wade opts out and more fans are going end up hating Bron.

Marvel · Post #32 » by **Marvel** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:02 am

TheHottestHand wrote:If lebron trotted out west, the east would be as wide open as my ex-girlfriends snatch

Or your ass after a Mexican man train has run through your butthole.

2thehoopand1 · Post #33 » by **2thehoopand1** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:03 am

Marvel wrote:
TheHottestHand wrote:If lebron trotted out west, the east would be as wide open as my ex-girlfriends snatch

Or your ass after a Mexican man train has run through your butthole.

Gross

IMAN5 · Post #34 » by **IMAN5** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:42 pm

it would be very hard for the Clippers to part with Blake, but for the best player in the world you have to do it.

I think back to a similar LA-MIA trade when the Heat wanted Shaq but didn't want to give up Caron Butler (was supposed to be a franchise player for them) and Lamar Odom (recently signed young star they had wanted for a while) for an older (but still effective) Shaq.

Trade must have been hard for the heat to pull off because Butler was one of Riley's guys and Odom was young and had star potential but they did it. Miami got 1 championship out of it while Caron Butler was traded for Kwame Brown (lol) and Odom was a pretty good 3rd 4th scoring option but not a star.

Championships · Post #35 » by **Championships** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:45 pm

This is really funny because I just saw an article from CBS that states they consider Blake Griffin untouchable in terms of trades including this one.

Dolphin Lips · Post #36 » by **Dolphin Lips** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:50 pm

Championships wrote:This is really funny because I just saw an article from CBS that states they consider Blake Griffin untouchable in terms of trades including this one.

They once said that Jesus was untouchable

LiSTWithLani · Post #37 » by **LiSTWithLani** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:57 pm

I just don't see a fit of CP3 with LeBron. That said, I didn't see Wade fitting with LeBron either (and still don't).

I think that Cleveland is a great place for LBJ. If they can trade that #1 pick for Love and resign Hawes and Deng they are elite.

Alternatively Chicago is an ideal destination. Noah is a far better pairing for LBJ than CB1 is. Though Rose fits with the CP3 and Wade group.

Why do people not see the GSW as a fit for LeBron? Curry beside him is a DEADLY duo. Klay helps too and Iggy gives them the flexibility to run James at the PF spot with (the oft injured) Bogut manning the middle. That team can pass, run, shoot from everywhere and get into the passing lanes for some more classic LBJ run out dunks!

crazymaso · Post #38 » by **crazymaso** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:06 pm

lstern wrote:I just don't see a fit of CP3 with LeBron. That said, I didn't see Wade fitting with LeBron either (and still don't).

I think that Cleveland is a great place for LBJ. If they can trade that #1 pick for Love and resign Hawes and Deng they are elite.

Alternatively Chicago is an ideal destination. Noah is a far better pairing for LBJ than CB1 is. Though Rose fits with the CP3 and Wade group.

Why do people not see the GSW as a fit for LeBron? Curry beside him is a DEADLY duo. Klay helps too and Iggy gives them the flexibility to run James at the PF spot with (the oft injured) Bogut manning the middle. That team can pass, run, shoot from everywhere and get into the passing lanes for some more classic LBJ run out dunks!

In order to get James, GSW would have to give up someone on their roster.

David Lee immediately comes to mind. Only problem is - how many teams are willing to take on his contract? I guess they would have to do a D. Lee + Klay + picks deal. Someone else would have to absorb either 15M or 20M in cap space though..next to impossible.

LBJ on GSW would be pretty sweet to see though. Imagine the looks Steph curry would be getting?

LiSTWithLani · Post #39 » by **LiSTWithLani** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:39 am

crazymaso wrote:
lstern wrote:I just don't see a fit of CP3 with LeBron. That said, I didn't see Wade fitting with LeBron either (and still don't).

I think that Cleveland is a great place for LBJ. If they can trade that #1 pick for Love and resign Hawes and Deng they are elite.

Alternatively Chicago is an ideal destination. Noah is a far better pairing for LBJ than CB1 is. Though Rose fits with the CP3 and Wade group.

Why do people not see the GSW as a fit for LeBron? Curry beside him is a DEADLY duo. Klay helps too and Iggy gives them the flexibility to run James at the PF spot with (the oft injured) Bogut manning the middle. That team can pass, run, shoot from everywhere and get into the passing lanes for some more classic LBJ run out dunks!

In order to get James, GSW would have to give up someone on their roster.

David Lee immediately comes to mind. Only problem is - how many teams are willing to take on his contract? I guess they would have to do a D. Lee + Klay + picks deal. Someone else would have to absorb either 15M or 20M in cap space though..next to impossible.

LBJ on GSW would be pretty sweet to see though. Imagine the looks Steph curry would be getting?

I don't understand why they need to 'clear space', wouldn't Miami prefer to receive that package (DLee, Klay and picks) rather than letting LBJ walk to Houston/ CHI?

crazymaso · Post #40 » by **crazymaso** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:46 am

lstern wrote:
crazymaso wrote:
lstern wrote:I just don't see a fit of CP3 with LeBron. That said, I didn't see Wade fitting with LeBron either (and still don't).

I think that Cleveland is a great place for LBJ. If they can trade that #1 pick for Love and resign Hawes and Deng they are elite.

Alternatively Chicago is an ideal destination. Noah is a far better pairing for LBJ than CB1 is. Though Rose fits with the CP3 and Wade group.

Why do people not see the GSW as a fit for LeBron? Curry beside him is a DEADLY duo. Klay helps too and Iggy gives them the flexibility to run James at the PF spot with (the oft injured) Bogut manning the middle. That team can pass, run, shoot from everywhere and get into the passing lanes for some more classic LBJ run out dunks!

In order to get James, GSW would have to give up someone on their roster.

David Lee immediately comes to mind. Only problem is - how many teams are willing to take on his contract? I guess they would have to do a D. Lee + Klay + picks deal. Someone else would have to absorb either 15M or 20M in cap space though..next to impossible.

LBJ on GSW would be pretty sweet to see though. Imagine the looks Steph curry would be getting?

I don't understand why they need to 'clear space', wouldn't Miami prefer to receive that package (DLee, Klay and picks) rather than letting LBJ walk to Houston/ CHI?

Well you originally never said anything about Klay being included in a trade.

You would think that Miami would rather that deal, but then again you can never be too sure. Klay is getting paid soon, and David Lee's contract ain't pretty. Prettier than LBJ walking though.

I think it's a pretty moot point since LBJ is most likely staying with Miami if they make the rights moves this offseason.