The Nik Stauskas Thread

LofJ · Post #701 » by **LofJ** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:52 am

amcoolio wrote:I would reluctantly trade 9 and 24 for Vonleh or Smart as I think they are just so much better than the SG's we have looked at. I wonder if Boston at 6 , Lakers at 7 or Utah at 5 would bite. Utah's rumored to be high on Harris and Stauskas.

I don't think Vonleh will last past 5, but if for some reason he does slip to the Lakers at 7 I would definitely pounce on that trade. We'd just have to flip Zeller for another first to add a shooter.

Eoghan · Post #702 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:00 am

ARHornet wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
amcoolio wrote:I would reluctantly trade 9 and 24 for Vonleh or Smart as I think they are just so much better than the SG's we have looked at. I wonder if Boston at 6 , Lakers at 7 or Utah at 5 would bite. Utah's rumored to be high on Harris and Stauskas.

I'm scared of Vonleh. The only thing I liked about him was that he had better skill sets than Zeller to play alongside Jefferson, but now that he's practically out of Charlotte's range at #9, I'm not really interested. I can easily see him being 'the bust' of this draft class

I love Smart and his approach to the game so I wouldn't be the least bit disappointed if Cho traded up for him. The Hornets defense would be ascertain to be better than last year's top-10 defense with Smart on board. My only knock with Smart is his jump shot, but he's not horrible at it, just far from dependent

Agreed. The guy has potential but he is so raw. I wouldn't be upset if we took him but I certainly wouldn't trade up for Vonleh.

For sure. Vonleh really sets off my bust meter. Maybe he's one of those slow, robotic looking guys that turns into a fundamental machine like Duncan but to me he just looks like a rich man's Andrew Nicholson. :dontknow:

catch20two · Post #703 » by **catch20two** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:04 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
catch20two wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

That defense is a problem. That's why I started backing off him a couple weeks ago. He gonna give away as many points as he make. Especially with Big Al's lumbering ass behind him. Lol

I like Stauskas, I really do, but likewise he ascended to the bottom of my shortlist at #9 when I seen that he was 2-3 defensive rating points worst than Spike Albrecht over the past two seasons and easily the worst defender on the entire Michigan team in logical senses during that span. All that said, Michigan wasn't even a good defensive team to me, so him being the worst defender on a bad defensive team brought those MCW headaches from this past year's Sixers into mind

Worst than Little Spike?!? Lol. I definitely don't want him now. He's not even on my list anymore. Scratch him off. You don't win without defense unless you're a elite scorer and even those players usually don't make up for it. Look at Harden, Melo, Love and our very own Big Al to name a few.

Nope, nope, nope, don't want him.

Post #704 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:15 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

What advanced metrics are you referring to?

mrknowitall215 · Post #705 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:22 am

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

What advanced metrics are you referring to?

None other than 'defensive rating', but I observed quite a few "defensive score sheets" postgame at UMHoops.com, and Stauskas regularly finished at the bottom of the roster in that regard

Here's a example:

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #706 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:53 am

Honestly D is going to make or break Stauskas NBA wise. His shooting will translate as will his passing, but unless he becomes a better defender he isn't going to get minutes. IMHO that's where his bust potential is.

It's also why I like the idea of Nik here over some other places. Clifford can teach him team defense even if his man to man is weak.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #707 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:06 am

MKIA, do they have a full season defensive score sheet?

mrknowitall215 · Post #708 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:09 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:MKIA, do they have a full season defensive score sheet?

No, not that I know of. You would have to go through them individually at the following link: http://www.umhoops.com/tag/defensive-score-sheet/

EwingSweatsALot · Post #709 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:19 am

Kirk Goldsberry shot charts for some of the top guys in the draft. McDermott and Stauskas are at the bottom. Wiggins shot chart was surprising to me, more effective and diverse than I thought.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nba-draft-illustrated-shot-charts-for-the-lottery-picks/

EwingSweatsALot · Post #710 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:20 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:MKIA, do they have a full season defensive score sheet?

No, not that I know of. You would have to go through them individually at the following link: http://www.umhoops.com/tag/defensive-score-sheet/

If I have time at work tomorrow I might go through those and see what I can find for the overall season.

chabber · Post #711 » by **chabber** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:24 am

SWedd523 wrote:White Dell Curry

Other than playing passing lanes, Curry didn't know what defense was, plus his handles made Ben Gordon look like Kyrie Irving.

This seems like a good way to look at him. He could be Curry with handles and more athleticism. Everybody loved Curry around here.

Personally I don't like guys that aren't two way players and I don't like guys that can't shoot. Problem is I don't see anyone at our pick that can do all of those things that I'm really intrigued by, so we're left picking what traits we think are best. If we're looking for a shooter and are overlooking defensive issues. I take Stauskas over McBuckets due to the fact that he's a knockdown shooter from range off the dribble. And he's not a tweener.

Post #712 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:29 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I can easily see myself turning on Stauskas even if he's putting up 15 points on 50% shooting (which I doubt as a rookie; but not impossible) if his defense is as bad as the advanced statistic metrics make him out to be in both his freshman & sophomore seasons at Michigan

What advanced metrics are you referring to?

None other than 'defensive rating', but I observed quite a few "defensive score sheets" postgame at UMHoops.com, and Stauskas regularly finished at the bottom of the roster in that regard

Here's a example:

Wow, that is very impressive (the availability of the stats that is). Kudos to whoever puts those together. Can be tough to find advanced stats for basketball.

The only thing that reduces my concern about his defense is that he was by far their most important offensive weapon and he averaged like 37 mpg. Given those two facts, I'm not shocked to learn that he didn't bust ass on defense all the time. Plus he was logging all those minutes as just a sophomore. Hopefully he would show a different level of defensive focus and intensity if that is what dictates whether he gets PT at the next level.

Agreed that defense is the big concern though. It's pretty much the only one I have with him.

mrknowitall215 · Post #713 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:45 am

yosemiteben wrote:The only thing that reduces my concern about his defense is that he was by far their most important offensive weapon and he averaged like 37 mpg. Given those two facts, I'm not shocked to learn that he didn't bust ass on defense all the time. Plus he was logging all those minutes as just a sophomore.

He was that bad of a defender his freshman season when he wasn't depended on for offense as much as well

:dontknow:

Post #714 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:49 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:The only thing that reduces my concern about his defense is that he was by far their most important offensive weapon and he averaged like 37 mpg. Given those two facts, I'm not shocked to learn that he didn't bust ass on defense all the time. Plus he was logging all those minutes as just a sophomore.

He was that bad of a defender his freshman season when he wasn't depended on for offense as much as well

True, but all freshman are supposed to be bad defenders. We can't all be MKG's.

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Just let me pretend he can be a solid defender despite the evidence to the contrary dammit!

mrknowitall215 · Post #715 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:55 am

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:The only thing that reduces my concern about his defense is that he was by far their most important offensive weapon and he averaged like 37 mpg. Given those two facts, I'm not shocked to learn that he didn't bust ass on defense all the time. Plus he was logging all those minutes as just a sophomore.

He was that bad of a defender his freshman season when he wasn't depended on for offense as much as well

True, but all freshman are supposed to be bad defenders. We can't all be MKG's.

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Just let me pretend he can be a solid defender despite the evidence to the contrary dammit!

That's a very contrarian statement there. I'm going to have to 'And1' it

Eoghan · Post #716 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:40 am

I haven't made any wildly irrational posts in a while and I don't want to be rusty tomorrow night so here goes:

Nik will without a shadow of a doubt be a monumental bust. He's basically just a Jimmer clone sitting on top of a little person's shoulders. We might as well sew some young mice to Matt Carroll's balls to revitalize him with young blood and we'd have a better player.

Liver_Pooty · Post #717 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:44 am

BrotherDave wrote:I haven't made any wildly irrational posts in a while and I don't want to be rusty tomorrow night so here goes:

Nik will without a shadow of a doubt be a monumental bust. He's basically just a Jimmer clone sitting on top of a little person's shoulders. We might as well sew some young mice to Matt Carroll's balls to revitalize him with young blood and we'd have a better player.

Lol. You like McDermott, but not Stauskas huh?

Edit: I like McDermott a lot better than Stauskas as well, but not to that extreme.

mrknowitall215 · Post #718 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:46 am

It's difficult to shed light onto Stauskas' darkness because I like him, but I have to keep it logistic for those that overrate him and think he's a 'sure thing' at #9 just because he can shoot. There's a whole lot more to the game than that. Me being a adamant stickler about defense, I found it hard to really justify taking Stauskas in the lottery outside of my bias dislike for Henderson as average talent combined with the fact he went to Duke

Liver_Pooty · Post #719 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:51 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:It's difficult to shed light onto Stauskas' darkness because I like him, but I have to keep it logistic for those that overrate him and think he's a 'sure thing' at #9 just because he can shoot. There's a whole lot more to the game than that. Me being a adamant stickler about defense, I found it hard to really justify taking Stauskas in the lottery outside of my bias dislike for Henderson as average talent combined with the fact he went to Duke

Not sure what Duke has to do with anything. Duke fans don't dislike UCONN.

Anyways, yeah, I agree with what you said

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mrknowitall215 · Post #720 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:54 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:It's difficult to shed light onto Stauskas' darkness because I like him, but I have to keep it logistic for those that overrate him and think he's a 'sure thing' at #9 just because he can shoot. There's a whole lot more to the game than that. Me being a adamant stickler about defense, I found it hard to really justify taking Stauskas in the lottery outside of my bias dislike for Henderson as average talent combined with the fact he went to Duke

Not sure what Duke has to do with anything. Duke fans don't dislike UCONN.

Anyways, yeah, I agree with what you said _

I don't know. I just dislike Duke, but I made a exception for them this past season for Jabari Parker. Now I'm back to my inexpiable Duke hating ways 8-)