Not Likely to Trade Up Tomorrow

Post #1 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:40 pm

Per SVG:

Trading up unlikely: There are opportunities to trade into the first round of the draft, Van Gundy said, but the probability that the Pistons pursue one is not great. He said one team in the bottom five of the first round has no desire to keep the pick and has turned it into something of an open-bidding process, but declined to disclose the team. He said the only scenario whereby the Pistons might consider trading up is if a player they believed to be worthy of a much higher pick slipped into the bottom of the first round, at which point a second-round pick and cash might be a viable offer. Otherwise, making a trade to move up a few spots isn't desirable. "I can't imagine us throwing somebody a player for pick 27, 28, 29, 30," Van Gundy said.

I almost wonder if he is too open on his GM strategies.

Post #2 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:41 pm

Also, link to the whole article:

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2014/06/detroit_pistons_likely_to_spre.html#incart_river

ImHeisenberg · Post #3 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:45 pm

If KJ McDaniels is available in the 25-30 range, I better hear that Detroit at least tried to get him!

I don't know if KJ is someone SVG would covet, but I think he's the best prospect projected to be available in the late 20's. 6'6 with a 6'11 wing span- no wonder he was a shot blocking leader at small forward with his elite athleticism.

It's his shooting stroke that I think would turn SVG off. (DX has him ranked 29th, going to OKC)

joeposh · Post #4 » by **joeposh** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:49 pm

It sounds like they'd be willing to buy a pick for the right price, but I also wouldn't expect the team to be openly advertising any desperation/eagerness going into draft night. Gotta maintain some leverage.

That said, I don't think we have many player assets to offer and we're certainly not dealing a future pick at this juncture -- so this may be a pretty accurate lay of the land.

ImHeisenberg · Post #5 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:57 pm

joeposh wrote:That said, I don't think we have many player assets to offer and we're certainly not dealing a future pick at this juncture -- so this may be a pretty accurate lay of the land.

I could see a team like OKC giving up the 29th pick for Will Bynum to run the backup point. I could also see the Clippers trying to move their pick to save some money and take Billups, and then turn down his player option.

So, I believe picks will be available for a reasonable price. But Detroit will have plenty of competition for those picks unfortunately.

Kilo · Post #6 » by **Kilo** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:59 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:If KJ McDaniels is available in the 25-30 range, I better hear that Detroit at least tried to get him!

I don't know if KJ is someone SVG would covet, but I think he's the best prospect projected to be available in the late 20's. 6'6 with a 6'11 wing span- no wonder he was a shot blocking leader at small forward with his elite athleticism.

It's his shooting stroke that I think would turn SVG off. (DX has him ranked 29th, going to OKC)

Not likely. He said if a player they have ranked high slips - so somebody they have going in the teens sorta deal. From about 25 to our pick you're basically looking at the same tier of player.

I'd personally trade Singler for #25, but obviously that isn't something SVG would consider. I'd gamble on upside of a new pick rather than the known reality of Kyle Singler.

On a side, I don't think I'll watch the draft tomorrow - too depressing.

Defor · Post #7 » by **Defor** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:08 pm

I'm all for trading Bynum ,or JJ to move back into the late 1st round. Make it happen Stan .

Post #8 » by **theBigLip** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:29 pm

Defor wrote:I'm all for trading Bynum ,or JJ to move back into the late 1st round. Make it happen Stan .

According to the article, JJ has been working out at the practice facility a lot this summer and SVG considers him part of the rotation. Combine that with his other comment that he doesn't think it is worth giving up a player to get a 25-30 pick, I don't think that is going to happen.

engelbert321 · Post #9 » by **engelbert321** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:32 pm

theBigLip wrote:
Defor wrote:I'm all for trading Bynum ,or JJ to move back into the late 1st round. Make it happen Stan .

According to the article, JJ has been working out at the practice facility a lot this summer and SVG considers him part of the rotation. Combine that with his other comment that he doesn't think it is worth giving up a player to get a 25-30 pick, I don't think that is going to happen.

Neither Poop nor Bynum will get us a late 1st round anyway.

E-Z · Post #10 » by **E-Z** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:49 pm

I doubt these guys could make much of an impact right away. Not really worth trading any players for imo.

Q00 · Post #11 » by **Q00** » Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:56 pm

Identifying his core publicly is another way of saying which players he values the most.

So when he says we aren't trading any players for a late 1st pick, he could just be referring to those core guys.

After all, if he doesn't consider the others to be part of his core, then wouldn't that make them expendable?

epheisey · Post #12 » by **epheisey** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:31 am

A late first round pick isn't going to help this team. Sending out a player who's been in the league and understands the grind and what's expected isn't worth it to bring in an unproven, likely d-league caliber player.

I know we lost our top pick, and so people are over thinking the value of a player drafted that late, but we'd be lucky to find a player there that is even on the team beyond their rookie deal. Not worth the cost to move up, and obtain a player marginally better than what's available at 38. Between 20-40 the talent level doesn't vary much.

RSCD3_ · Post #13 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:38 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
joeposh wrote:That said, I don't think we have many player assets to offer and we're certainly not dealing a future pick at this juncture -- so this may be a pretty accurate lay of the land.

I could see a team like OKC giving up the 29th pick for Will Bynum to run the backup point. I could also see the Clippers trying to move their pick to save some money and take Billups, and then turn down his player option.

So, I believe picks will be available for a reasonable price. But Detroit will have plenty of competition for those picks unfortunately.

Okc has the 21st (Dallas pick)

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Pharaoh · Post #14 » by **Pharaoh** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:57 am

I don't think SVG is too open...he's honest.

Why would we give up someone like Bynum for a late first that may or may not be able to play in the NBA?

At worst Bynum is capable of playing a role and earning minutes...Some dude drafted at 26 might not even get off the pine next season.

Then again saying we're not likely to trade up doesn't rule it out...maybe SVG is just letting teams know we're only willing to give up our 2nd & cash to do it

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Kilo · Post #15 » by **Kilo** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:11 am

No real reason for late first round teams to trade out - just pick a draft and stash Euro, there seems to be enough of them that are mocked late first/early second this draft.

We're stuck at #38.

Warspite · Post #16 » by **Warspite** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:04 am

epheisey wrote:A late first round pick isn't going to help this team. Sending out a player who's been in the league and understands the grind and what's expected isn't worth it to bring in an unproven, likely d-league caliber player.

I know we lost our top pick, and so people are over thinking the value of a player drafted that late, but we'd be lucky to find a player there that is even on the team beyond their rookie deal. Not worth the cost to move up, and obtain a player marginally better than what's available at 38. Between 20-40 the talent level doesn't vary much.

This is not the 2013 draft. There are as many as 40 NBA starters in this draft. KCP would be last 1st or early 2nd in this draft.

epheisey · Post #17 » by **epheisey** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:39 am

Warspite wrote:
epheisey wrote:A late first round pick isn't going to help this team. Sending out a player who's been in the league and understands the grind and what's expected isn't worth it to bring in an unproven, likely d-league caliber player.

I know we lost our top pick, and so people are over thinking the value of a player drafted that late, but we'd be lucky to find a player there that is even on the team beyond their rookie deal. Not worth the cost to move up, and obtain a player marginally better than what's available at 38. Between 20-40 the talent level doesn't vary much.

This is not the 2013 draft. There are as many as 40 NBA starters in this draft. KCP would be last 1st or early 2nd in this draft.

Highly disagree with there being 40 starters in this draft. I would be incredibly surprised if there has ever been a draft that has produced 30 starters. I would guess that this draft contains 15-25 starters at most, and outside of the top 15, finding a starter in the next 45 picks is hit or miss, having a higher pick than 38 isn't going to increase those chances by much.

ImHeisenberg · Post #18 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:18 am

epheisey wrote:Highly disagree with there being 40 starters in this draft. I would be incredibly surprised if there has ever been a draft that has produced 30 starters. I would guess that this draft contains 15-25 starters at most, and outside of the top 15, finding a starter in the next 45 picks is hit or miss, having a higher pick than 38 isn't going to increase those chances by much.

Well said.

There definitely are not 40 "starters" in this draft. If history has shown anything, there will be players selected in the top 10 who will be career bench players. Right now everyone is riding the hype train and hoping for the best case scenario for everyone, and that simply is not true.

I would say there is potential for 40+ players that can be contributors in the NBA if they land in the right situation.

princeofpalace · Post #19 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:45 am

I hope we buy that first round pick SVG says is up for grabs. I wonder if Gores is amenable to shelling out a few million for a guy who could potentially help us down the road. We could potentially get a guy like Tyler Ennis or James Young with a late first.

wallace72 · Post #20 » by **wallace72** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:33 pm

E-Z wrote:I doubt these guys could make much of an impact right away. Not really worth trading any players for imo.

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