Stein: Raptors in hunt for MEM's #22

Rapcity_11 · Post #241 » by **Rapcity_11** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:03 pm

The Boy wrote:I'd rather have Pondexter than Prince

I'd rather have Marc Gasol.

LastNameEver · Post #242 » by **LastNameEver** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:03 pm

IMAN5 wrote:
The Boy wrote:I'd rather have Pondexter than Prince

so would every single team in the league. prince is a slary dump, that's what we have to take in order to get the 22nd pick.

How many years does he have left ? we still gotta dump Fields and Salmons, getting 22 is great but we got so many scrubs

protothe · Post #243 » by **protothe** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:04 pm

Naysorn wrote:
Raps Militia wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Do we need offense from that spot though?

Lowry (33) / Ennis (15)
Derozan (24) / Vas (24)
Ross (26) / Derozan (9) / Prince (13)

I'm fine with him getting like 13 minutes. Plays defense, veteran guy to teach the young ones and you let Ross have a full season at SF see how he does. Then you can properly evaluate if you need to move him or not.

Plenty of offense off the bench with Ennis/Vasquez/Patt

I would prefer to get rid of him, sincerely.
7 million is too much.
Same goes for Fields, Hayes and maybe Novak.

We can't afford so many bad players with contracts so high, they are a waste of money and cap space used badly.
With this, I welcome this trade. A better pick, and Prince is still a better player than Salmons.

It's just one year, though. With the contract off the hook, doesn't that actually fare well for cap-space in 2015?

Yeah but not having Salmons or Prince fares well for cap space in 2014....which in turn fares well for every year beyond that as long as you don't pick up any more long term salary.

Steelo Green · Post #244 » by **Steelo Green** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:04 pm

protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

It's an expiring for an expiring, we're not exactly swinging for the fences in grabbing another player this offseason, ie that cap space by cutting Salmons isn't going to help us net Lebron, and we get a solid first round pick in the process. I don't get the complaints as though the saved money will make a huge difference to our offseason.

IMAN5 · Post #245 » by **IMAN5** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:04 pm

the selfish part wants the 37th pick but we have to realize we are goign to be drafting 20th AND 22nd!!!!! it's a small price to pay. plus there will probably be 2nd rounders for sale.

I don't see philly keeping all 5 second round picks.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #246 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:04 pm

SportsFan9 wrote:Can someone who's knowledgeable about the situation help me out here. What are the chances we keep 2pat AND GV if this goes through? I don't think this would have a big impact on keeping Lowry but what about the other 2 guys?

chances dont change. This does nothing to impact our cap situation really.

we are at roughly 41 million before re-signing Lowry,Vasquez,Patt + our 1st. After this deal that would put us at 48.7 million + 2 1st round picks.

#20 - $1,215,300 (rookie scale)
#22 - $1,120,100 (rookie scale)

So roughly were at around 50.1 million before re-signing anyone. If Lowry gets around 11 million lets say, Vasquez 4 and Patterson 4.5. You add 19 million to 50.1. So youd be at 69.1 million. The projected tax is going to be around 77 million so you will have a lot of room to wiggle under the luxury tax. Thats why i love this deal because we stay under tax, address all of our needs and dont impact future cap considerations (we would have max cap space next summer in all likelihood)

dTox · Post #247 » by **dTox** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:04 pm

Sweet! This is wishful thinking but how high of a pick do you guys think we can attain if say we were to package 20 + 22? I would certainly pull the trigger if we can net a top 14.

...or swing for the fences and try to draw Sac town's #8 if we also add in that NYC pick? God I love this time of the year.

Troubadour · Post #248 » by **Troubadour** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:04 pm

protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

You're forgetting the #22 pick. This is a very deep draft. #22 this year = #14 - #18 range most years.

mtcan · Post #249 » by **mtcan** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:05 pm

protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

Prince will play 10 mpg off the bench and is gone next summer. I don't care.

grumpwalter · Post #250 » by **grumpwalter** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:05 pm

IMAN5 wrote:the selfish part wants the 37th pick but we have to realize we are goign to be drafting 20th AND 22nd!!!!! it's a small price to pay. plus there will probably be 2nd rounders for sale.

I don't see philly keeping all 5 second round picks.

I don't put too much value into 2nd round picks anyways.

ForeverTFC · Post #251 » by **ForeverTFC** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:05 pm

protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

All signs point to us going at the FA market next year.

Price is an expiring deal that allows us to get another first round rookie on a rookie deal.

Prince's playing ability is an afterthought at this point.

Chriscross · Post #252 » by **Chriscross** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:06 pm

RaptorsFTL wrote:
protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

It's an expiring for an expiring, we're not exactly swinging for the fences in grabbing another player this offseason, ie that cap space by cutting Salmons isn't going to help us net Lebron, and we get a solid first round pick in the process. I don't get the complaints as though the saved money will make a huge difference to our offseason.

No one is complaining about the trade

We are curious why people think Prince is going to be in our starting lineup or from my standpoint contribute anything on our team

He is finished both offensively and defensively

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #253 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:06 pm

mtcan wrote:
protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

Prince will play 10 mpg off the bench and is gone next summer. I don't care.

i cant believe the amount of people who think Prince will start. He will be a 10-15 MPG player off the bench to play defense. Thats it.

Ross will be given the full year at SF so Masai can properly access his future at that position.

Troubadour · Post #254 » by **Troubadour** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:06 pm

Kyle Lowry / Tyler Ennis
DeMar DeRozan / Greivis Vasquez
Terrence Ross / Tayshaun Prince....I guess.... / Landry "Nicki Minaj" Fields
Amir Johnson / Patrick Patterson
Jonas Valanciunas / Clint Capela

We'll have to address the wing eventually, but I like that roster

SkywalkerAC · Post #255 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:06 pm

The Boy wrote:
IMAN5 wrote:
The Boy wrote:I'd rather have Pondexter than Prince

so would every single team in the league. prince is a slary dump, that's what we have to take in order to get the 22nd pick.

How many years does he have left ? we still gotta dump Fields and Salmons, getting 22 is great but we got so many scrubs

Fields is expiring, we don't have to dump him at all.

Troubadour · Post #256 » by **Troubadour** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:07 pm

Chriscross wrote:
RaptorsFTL wrote:
protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

It's an expiring for an expiring, we're not exactly swinging for the fences in grabbing another player this offseason, ie that cap space by cutting Salmons isn't going to help us net Lebron, and we get a solid first round pick in the process. I don't get the complaints as though the saved money will make a huge difference to our offseason.

No one is complaining about the trade

We are curious why people think Prince is going to be in our starting lineup or from my standpoint contribute anything on our team

He is finished both offensively and defensively

He's never going to start. We'd probably start Fields over him.

Ackshun · Post #257 » by **Ackshun** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:07 pm

Really hoping we aren't taking back salary to draft Ennis.

I just don't have any interest in him

LastNameEver · Post #258 » by **LastNameEver** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:07 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:
The Boy wrote:
IMAN5 wrote:
so would every single team in the league. prince is a slary dump, that's what we have to take in order to get the 22nd pick.

How many years does he have left ? we still gotta dump Fields and Salmons, getting 22 is great but we got so many scrubs

Fields is expiring, we don't have to dump him at all.

Oh, that went by fast

CrymeTime · Post #259 » by **CrymeTime** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:07 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Landomar wrote:This is going to be disappointing when Memphis (probably) nixes this trade. Still, if it goes through, it's going to make tonight even more exciting.

The fact that it was bumped up to the #37 pick suggests the deal has legs.

Now if only that COMPLETE MORON Colangelo hadn't traded our #46 to the Suns to bring Telfair here, we could have used that pick instead.

Remember Colangelo also sent a 2013 2nd rounder to Memphis when he traded for Rudy Gay.

He also gave Memphis our 2016 2nd round pick when he acquired Hedo Turkoglu.

I don't understand why Colangelo liked to trade 2nd rounders like they are nothing.

Steelo Green · Post #260 » by **Steelo Green** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:08 pm

Chriscross wrote:
RaptorsFTL wrote:
protothe wrote:Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

It's an expiring for an expiring, we're not exactly swinging for the fences in grabbing another player this offseason, ie that cap space by cutting Salmons isn't going to help us net Lebron, and we get a solid first round pick in the process. I don't get the complaints as though the saved money will make a huge difference to our offseason.

No one is complaining about the trade

We are curious why people think Prince is going to be in our starting lineup or from my standpoint contribute anything on our team

He is finished both offensively and defensively

Totally agree about that. I don't see why the starting 5 really changes. Prince at this point is just a vet you use in situational ball. The rookies can be key components to the bench, as well as whatever is left of 2Pat and Vas, and whomever we sign in the off-season via free agency.