Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III

[criteriado]

At this point, I think that Love is getting traded to the Warriors for : Love + Martin+ Barea + 13 for Klay+ Lee+ 2015 1st+ Barnes.

And then, I'll be done with this team.

[Krapinsky]

According to Krawcynski on KFAN, the Wolves want the Warriors to make "a sacrifice" - Barnes or the 2015 #1. But Lee/Klay alone won't cut it. Even willing to not put Martin in the deal, but GS needs to come off one of those pieces.

They really want Green (not surprising with the Izzo/Flip connection) but the Warriors are drawing a line in the sand on Green

What? We're trading Love, getting the awful contract of David Lee and they're not willing to put Barnes, the 1 or taking back Martin. What is Flip doing? Why is he talking with them?

Umm... probably because he knows Harrison Barnes is a future all-star and going to be president some day. Doi.

[Devilzsidewalk]

According to Krawcynski on KFAN, the Wolves want the Warriors to make "a sacrifice" - Barnes or the 2015 #1. But Lee/Klay alone won't cut it. Even willing to not put Martin in the deal, but GS needs to come off one of those pieces.

They really want Green (not surprising with the Izzo/Flip connection) but the Warriors are drawing a line in the sand on Green

What? We're trading Love, getting the awful contract of David Lee and they're not willing to put Barnes, the 1 or taking back Martin. What is Flip doing? Why is he talking with them?

He's got to develop 2 viable offers for this very reason, but I get the feeling all he cares about is the GS offer

[criteriado]

We're gonna give a lottery pick to GSW for a bust like Barnes. If he does it, it's even worse than Kahn taking Flynn.

I'm already expecting the worse outcome so I won't be mad when it happens.

[Baller2014]

I was comparing him to Presti. Presti is bad with trades. He's bad in free agency. He's barely better than Ainge in the draft if at all. Stop overrating him because he got lucky with Durant. Ainge would have taken him if he got the number 1 pick. It doesn't make him an overwhelmingly great drafter. I give credit where it is due to Presti for Westbrook and Harden, but those were still early picks, which Ainge has never had.

Wait to ignore the links I post too. Ainge has been known to be one of the best drafting GMs in the league. You just felt like ignoring that he's mostly drafted in the 20s so perspective has to be different when you evaluate his drafts.

1) Presti is better than Ainge. At basically everything. Period. You want to look at mistakes made, and Ainge has about five times as many. I already linked people to a thread discussing the Harden trade. It was not a bad trade, and he clearly had no choice. Ownership would not pay the tax (and no, amnestying Perkins would have made no difference).
2) It's BS that Ainge knew Oden was going to be injury prone, some nonsense that he said in hindsight. You know what the smart teams say after each draft, when asked where they would have taken this guy and that guy? Nothing. Because they don't need to try and sell themselves and their competence to fans.

[Grits n Gravy]

The part that makes it even more sad is that the pick will be #24-#30 and will be sold for straight cash homie.

[Devilzsidewalk]

At this point, I think that Love is getting traded to the Warriors for : Love + Martin+ Barea + 13 for Klay+ Lee+ 2015 1st+ Barnes.

And then, I'll be done with this team.

If Golden State was trying to pull that, Flip would have my undying respect if he refused any further communication with them and held onto Love as long as necessary to find a different offer. I seriously doubt he could do worse than that.

[Krapinsky]

The part that makes it even more sad is that the pick will be #24-#30 and will be sold for straight cash homie.

But what if Curry sprains an ankle, Iggy gets knee tendinitis, Bogu dislocates something, and Love breaks a hand?

Brokeafor for Okafor here we come!

[criteriado]

According to Krawcynski on KFAN, the Wolves want the Warriors to make "a sacrifice" - Barnes or the 2015 #1. But Lee/Klay alone won't cut it. Even willing to not put Martin in the deal, but GS needs to come off one of those pieces.

They really want Green (not surprising with the Izzo/Flip connection) but the Warriors are drawing a line in the sand on Green

What? We're trading Love, getting the awful contract of David Lee and they're not willing to put Barnes, the 1 or taking back Martin. What is Flip doing? Why is he talking with them?

It's ridiculous that GS is not willing to part with those guys in order to get Love for Klay and Lee, a deal that's already ridiculously in their favor. It's even more ridiculous that Flip WANTS those pieces, since neither has any value at all.

They think that they can fleece Flip even more. It's ridiculous.

[Krapinsky]

At this point, I think that Love is getting traded to the Warriors for : Love + Martin+ Barea + 13 for Klay+ Lee+ 2015 1st+ Barnes.

And then, I'll be done with this team.

If he was just going to draft Lavine #13 anyway, then really it doesn't matter to include the pick. At least we won't have to pay to dump his contract in two or three years.

[Howard Cosell]

GSW expects Flip to send Love & 13th for the privilege of paying Lee 15 mil?

Flip is not going to do anything close to that deal.

I can see Philly going after Love if they can't get Wiggins.

[DarkAzcura]

I was comparing him to Presti. Presti is bad with trades. He's bad in free agency. He's barely better than Ainge in the draft if at all. Stop overrating him because he got lucky with Durant. Ainge would have taken him if he got the number 1 pick. It doesn't make him an overwhelmingly great drafter. I give credit where it is due to Presti for Westbrook and Harden, but those were still early picks, which Ainge has never had.

Wait to ignore the links I post too. Ainge has been known to be one of the best drafting GMs in the league. You just felt like ignoring that he's mostly drafted in the 20s so perspective has to be different when you evaluate his drafts.

1) Presti is better than Ainge. At basically everything. Period. You want to look at mistakes made, and Ainge has about five times as many. I already linked people to a thread discussing the Harden trade. It was not a bad trade, and he clearly had no choice. Ownership would not pay the tax (and no, amnestying Perkins would have made no difference).
2) It's BS that Ainge knew Oden was going to be injury prone, some nonsense that he said in hindsight. You know what the smart teams say after each draft, when asked where they would have taken this guy and that guy? Nothing. Because they don't need to try and sell themselves and their competence to fans.

Okay buddy. You are clearly not worth arguing with. You are obviously a huge OKC homer or whatever. Ainge actually said he would draft Durant number 1 shortly after the draft in in 2007 on the radio. He didn't hindsight it. Durant was always number 1 for Ainge.

I'm still laughing at you saying Presti is better at everything in such a stern passion like it is some fact. Guy hasn't even been able to win a championship yet because he can't figure out what the issue is with your team, and he's been handed a fresh and young franchise from day 1 where as Ainge had to completely rebuild everything because of how poor the Celtics ownership was before him.

If you thought that Harden trade was actually good, there is clearly no way anyone could talk sense into you.

He's even gotten the Celtics back in talks for a top 10 player because he ripped Brooklyn off last summer. Come on guy.

[Baller2014]

Okay buddy. You are clearly not worth arguing with. You are obviously a huge OKC homer or whatever. Ainge actually said he would draft Durant number 1 shortly after the draft in in 2007 on the radio. He didn't hindsight it. Durant was always number 1 for Ainge.

I'm still laughing at you saying Presti is better at everything in such a stern passion like it is some fact. Guy hasn't even been able to win a championship yet because he can't figure out what the issue is with your team, and he's been handed a fresh and young franchise from day 1 where as Ainge had to completely rebuild everything because of how poor the Celtics ownership was before him.

If you thought that Harden trade was actually good, there is clearly no way anyone could talk sense into you.

He's even gotten the Celtics back in talks for a top 10 player because he ripped Brooklyn off last summer. Come on guy.

Link or BS. Even in Ainge's own (2014) words he admits was not even working for the Celtics at the time, and obviously he did not have access to his medical records, so it's utter BS to suggest he knew S#@$
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... den_f.html

[younggunsmn]

If I were a betting man I'd put the best odds on:

Love/Martin (via the TPE)
for
Thompson/Lee/2015 top 10 protected

Sometime on draft day.

Flips got to pull the trigger before the bulls and celtics pick and those draft picks disappear as assets.
The W's need to include the first rounder but are going to need some protection on the pick because of curry's glass ankles. I don't think barnes gets included and I dont really care as he isnt any better than brewer or bazz at this point, and I dont think he has the killer instinct or motor to match his physical tools.

I'm curious to what AInge actually offered, I'm not optimistic it was a whole lot. As a wolves fan Olynyk and Sullinger arent appealing to me, I'd want 6, 17, and both brooklyn picks at a minimum with the bass/bogans filler. 6 is kind of a crappy spot in this draft as I think 1-4 are very solid and 5-15 or so is about the same tier of player.

vonleh probably goes to utah, smart can't shoot, and the rest have flaws in one area or more. Payne @ 13 looks much better value to me than anything we'd draft at 6.

See in regards to the Celtics vs GSW here, you seem ok with getting Thompson (who will probably want max money after next season, and he's really limited on the offensive side of the ball, though, obviously an elite shooter), but with the C's you want a minimum of 4 picks with 2 of them potentially being lottery picks because of how terribly Brooklyn is run? AND you probably want one of Sully or Kelly? And this is minimum? Are we honestly saying Klay Thompson and GSW's pick in the low 20's is worth the same as 4 picks and Sullinger from the Celtics (and this is minimum value)? Call me crazy, but those two trade scenarios are really, really far apart in terms of value.

Now, you never said you were alright with a GSW trade so I guess I won't put words in your mouth about that one.

Thompson llimited offensively? okay then.

You are overrating your draft picks tremendously. If one of those 4 picks becomes an above average starter you are beating the odds. The Warriors are offering us 2 of them. Brooklyn is not afraid to spend money and they are in the eastern conference. Odds are against those becoming lottery picks. 6 Is outside the upper tier of prospects and there is little difference between talent available 6 and 13. If you are going to offer us lottery tickets you are going to have to offer them in bulk. Believe me this franchise more than any other knows what fools gold draft picks can be.

And i dont want either sullinger or olynyk we have perfectly good bench fodder already.

Thompson and Lee isnt the perfect trade. But we know what we are getting.

[Grits n Gravy]

The part that makes it even more sad is that the pick will be #24-#30 and will be sold for straight cash homie.

But what if Curry sprains an ankle, Iggy gets knee tendinitis, Bogu dislocates something, and Love breaks a hand?

Brokeafor for Okafor here we come!

True that. We still get it if they have a plane crash right? Random off topic question, anyone know someone who works at the airport..?

[AQuintus]

Thompson llimited offensively?

Yes. He shoots 3s at an elite level, but he doesn't handle the ball at a high level for a guard, he doesn't pass especially well (more turnovers than assists), and he's doesn't get to the line.

There's a reason that he's consistently had a sub-15 PER.

[DarkAzcura]

Okay buddy. You are clearly not worth arguing with. You are obviously a huge OKC homer or whatever. Ainge actually said he would draft Durant number 1 shortly after the draft in in 2007 on the radio. He didn't hindsight it. Durant was always number 1 for Ainge.

I'm still laughing at you saying Presti is better at everything in such a stern passion like it is some fact. Guy hasn't even been able to win a championship yet because he can't figure out what the issue is with your team, and he's been handed a fresh and young franchise from day 1 where as Ainge had to completely rebuild everything because of how poor the Celtics ownership was before him.

If you thought that Harden trade was actually good, there is clearly no way anyone could talk sense into you.

He's even gotten the Celtics back in talks for a top 10 player because he ripped Brooklyn off last summer. Come on guy.

Link or BS. Even in Ainge's own (2014) words he admits was not even working for the Celtics at the time, and obviously he did not have access to his medical records, so it's utter BS to suggest he knew S#@$
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... den_f.html

I can't link to the radio. You either believe my 2007 ears or you don't, and I doubt you will considering your attitude of 'my GM is superior at everything, who cares about those links and perspective of draft position?' it's been common knowledge that Ainge liked Durant better than Oden for 7 years in Boston. It's not new to most people around here. I was actually pissed when I heard that in 2007 because I thought Ainge has started to lose it, but he proved me wrong.

[Krapinsky]

Thompson llimited offensively?

Yes. He shoots 3s at an elite level, but he doesn't handle the ball at a high level for a guard, he doesn't pass especially well (more turnovers than assists), and he's doesn't get to the line.

He shoots it all over the floor though. His shot chart is quite impressive. He's not like Kyle Korver where he never scores at the hoop, so I think you might see his FT rate improve. He also doesn't have more turnovers than assists, so that's just wrong.

[Baller2014]

I can't link to the radio. You either believe my 2007 ears or you don't, and I doubt you will considering your attitude of 'my GM is superior at everything, who cares about those links and perspective of draft position?' it's been common knowledge that Ainge liked Durant better than Oden for 7 years in Boston. It's not new to most people around here.

I am not an OKC fan. I just see Presti has a clearly superior record.

As to the radio interview, your hazy memory of an interview in 2007 is not meaningful evidence, especially when the context and phrasing of what he said could alter it entirely. Did he say "Well, I heard one guy from the Celtics say he'd have been reluctant to draft Oden because of medical concerns?" And if that's what he said, it's not much of a meaningful statement is it. He wasn't GM at the time, and he wouldn't have had access to the medical records, he just happened to pop by their war room on draft day and got some input from 1-2 insiders who thought maybe the team wouldn't have taken Oden (or so he claims in hindsight, we don't even know if this supposed interview was before or after Oden had microfracture surgery, which was in 2007 too).

[Krapinsky]

Thompson llimited offensively?

Yes. He shoots 3s at an elite level, but he doesn't handle the ball at a high level for a guard, he doesn't pass especially well (more turnovers than assists), and he's doesn't get to the line.

There's a reason that he's consistently had a sub-15 PER.

Do you think there is anything to it that Iggy when from a bad 76ers team where he had a 17.6 PER, to a good Nuggets team where he had a 15.2 PER, to a better Warriors team where he had a 13.7 PER?