Official Draft Thread 3: Picks #4 and #12

Reverse_Angle · Post #2441 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:15 am

Adam, can you repost the phone interviews? I saw them on my phone, but they are buried pretty deep once I came home. Also, don't see them on your website.

AdamTheGreek · Post #2442 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:18 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:Adam, can you repost the phone interviews? I saw them on my phone, but they are buried pretty deep once I came home. Also, don't see them on your website.

They're on MagicBasketballOnline.com

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Reverse_Angle · Post #2443 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:21 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Reverse_Angle wrote:Henny picks very conservatively. Ask anyone who is successful in business, without taking risks, you are minimizing your gain. Baring luck, Henny won't be a GM whose team wins a championship.

Seriously??? This is absolutely stupid how many risks did the Spurs take?? You win by getting players that can play and play together well. Henny has taken risks. He traded Dwight for a bunch of picks that everyone thought would be late rounders one turned out to be a lottery in the most stocked draft ever. Are u saying trading JJ for Tobias wasnt a risk? How about taking Vuc and Harkless over Bynum who was coming off a very good year. You are only saying he doesnt take risks because he didnt take some overhyped over publicized Australian player. Hell last year he made the only pick in the top 8 that is actually looking like an allstar player give me a **** break this board is raving mad.

Relax man, it has been a long day.

I am not necessarily saying I don't like the picks. I do not think Henny took single risk so far. He made moves that were not perceived well initially, but that has nothing to do with taking risks. I am pretty sure he knew exactly what he was getting.

My opinion is based on his 3 year draft history, not just this years. There is a trend here. Dipo was as sure of a thing as possible last year and we knew exactly what we are getting. Same is true for Nicholson and Gordon, too.

magic22s · Post #2444 » by **magic22s** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:22 am

This draft is too much hype. Maybe we all overrate these players.

I bet both Gordon and Payton will make the all-rookie first team

but it's Parker who will win rookie of the year award.

My predition for 2014-15 all-rookie first team:

Parker / Wiggins / Gordon / Randle / Payton

bigdogdylan5 · Post #2445 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:23 am

Excellent question by one reporter dont know who it was on the versatillity on defense of Payton and Gordon who can defend many different positions. I think that was a great point about the system Vaughn is trying to run for better of for worse with his defensive schemes that involve a lot of switching and that versatility fits very well

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #2446 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:24 am

People on this board take it so personally when somebody disagrees with a move hennigan makes

rcklsscognition · Post #2447 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:24 am

To be fair, trading JJ for Harris wasn't a risk. Henny had scouted Harris already and Harris had been putting up consistent numbers around 17 and 8 for like 4 years at that point. Vuc and Harkless over Bynum would have been obvious to us if we had the medical records that Henny saw. Not saying they weren't good moves, but they weren't the work of a savant. He's proven nothing yet either, we've been terrible for two years and probably going on a 3rd. I can't view anything he's done as a great move because we suck and nothing has come of anything Henny has done. We have to win something.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #2448 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:24 am

magic22s wrote:This draft is too much hype. Maybe we all overrate these players.

I bet both Gordon and Payton will make the all-rookie first team

but it's Parker who will win rookie of the year award.

My predition for 2014-15 all-rookie first team:

Parker / Wiggins / Gordon / Randle / Payton

I think you are right about Gordon not sure about Payton i think Smart will get a lot of attention in Boston and i expect him to play very well and i think he will take that PG spot

bigdogdylan5 · Post #2449 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:26 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:People on this board take it so personally when somebody disagrees with a move hennigan makes

Its annoying as hell we have been given a gift in Henny who knows what he has doing and has made all the right moves he doesnt deserve for u people to go and say his moves suck and he is an idiot. We have had an idiot GM and thank god he is gone. I have held my tongue all day but i am done doing it now.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #2450 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:27 am

magic22s wrote:This draft is too much hype. Maybe we all overrate these players.

I bet both Gordon and Payton will make the all-rookie first team

but it's Parker who will win rookie of the year award.

My predition for 2014-15 all-rookie first team:

Parker / Wiggins / Gordon / Randle / Payton

ROY fav is exum imo, he's going to be getting the best statlines

On the other hand he plays for utah

Wiggins and Jabari have the hype

Smart and Randle play for boston and LA

Its gotta be one of those 5

Malik Starks · Post #2451 » by **Malik Starks** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:28 am

Truth24 wrote:Aaron Gordon is a really great defender but he isn't the best post defender out there and I think he will struggle to defend the post in the NBA. He got knocked around sometimes in college last year defending the post, but he does excel guarding the wing and I think that's where he makes his mark next season.

This is why I see him as a three, with Harris playing stretch 4. Harris has the frame to bang down low. Gordon has the lateral quickness to play on the perimeter. We won't have a rim protector, but if we lock down all the guard and wing positions (which potentially we can do) we won't need one, at least for a while.

magic22s · Post #2452 » by **magic22s** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:29 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
magic22s wrote:My predition for 2014-15 all-rookie first team:

Parker / Wiggins / Gordon / Randle / Payton

I think you are right about Gordon not sure about Payton i think Smart will get a lot of attention in Boston and i expect him to play very well and i think he will take that PG spot

It's more likely we trade Nelson than Celtics trade Rondo. That's why I give Payton the edge.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #2453 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:30 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:People on this board take it so personally when somebody disagrees with a move hennigan makes

Its annoying as hell we have been given a gift in Henny who knows what he has doing and has made all the right moves he doesnt deserve for u people to go and say his moves suck and he is an idiot. We have had an idiot GM and thank god he is gone. I have held my tongue all day but i am done doing it now.

Well, I never said he is an idiot, but its equally annoying when people have no strong feelings and just defer to what hennigan does and convince themselves that was the best move. Make up your own mind about a player. Hennigan isn't a god, he isn't always right you know

bigdogdylan5 · Post #2454 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:32 am

rcklsscognition wrote:To be fair, trading JJ for Henny wasn't a risk. Henny had scouted Harris already and Harris had been putting up consistent numbers around 17 and 8 for like 4 years at that point. Vuc and Harkless over Bynum would have been obvious to us if we had the medical records that Henny saw. Not saying they weren't good moves, but they weren't the work of a savant. He's proven nothing yet either, we've been terrible for two years and probably going on a 3rd. I can't view anything he's done as a great move because we suck and nothing has come of anything Henny has done. We have to win something.

Ok well we were winning under Otis so lets just fire henny and hire him back maybe he can trade Gordon for 3 second round picks next year. This organization was broken before henny got here he didnt cause this. He has put us on a great path with a very strong plan. We have several strong assets at every position on the floor because of him. I am sorry that we didnt jump right back into the playoffs after trading the best center in the league and overturning the WHOLE organization. I fully expect us to be more competitive and i think Rob sees that as the next part of the plan. Stop complaining and root for these new team members who are fully committed to working harder than Dwight ever did to build this program back to a championship caliber team

bigdogdylan5 · Post #2455 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:33 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:People on this board take it so personally when somebody disagrees with a move hennigan makes

Its annoying as hell we have been given a gift in Henny who knows what he has doing and has made all the right moves he doesnt deserve for u people to go and say his moves suck and he is an idiot. We have had an idiot GM and thank god he is gone. I have held my tongue all day but i am done doing it now.

Well, I never said he is an idiot, but its equally annoying when people have no strong feelings and just defer to what hennigan does and convince themselves that was the best move. Make up your own mind about a player. Hennigan isn't a god, he isn't always right you know

Henny is alot smarter than me about these decisions and i will trust him until he gives me a reason not too.

ilikebeer · Post #2456 » by **ilikebeer** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:34 am

Well we got two high character guys again in Gordon and Payton. Both seem to be above average athletes and defenders as well. We're going to have a stacked backcourt defense with Payton, Oladipo, and Gordon (if he plays the three).

Swish28 · Post #2457 » by **Swish28** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:35 am

rcklsscognition wrote:To be fair, trading JJ for Harris wasn't a risk. Henny had scouted Harris already and Harris had been putting up consistent numbers around 17 and 8 for like 4 years at that point. Vuc and Harkless over Bynum would have been obvious to us if we had the medical records that Henny saw. Not saying they weren't good moves, but they weren't the work of a savant. He's proven nothing yet either, we've been terrible for two years and probably going on a 3rd. I can't view anything he's done as a great move because we suck and nothing has come of anything Henny has done. We have to win something.

Harris was putting up 17 and 8 for 4 years? We traded for him during his second season while he was sitting at the end of the Bucks bench so I don't know where you're getting these stats from.

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bigdogdylan5 · Post #2458 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:36 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
Reverse_Angle wrote:Henny picks very conservatively. Ask anyone who is successful in business, without taking risks, you are minimizing your gain. Baring luck, Henny won't be a GM whose team wins a championship.

Seriously??? This is absolutely stupid how many risks did the Spurs take?? You win by getting players that can play and play together well. Henny has taken risks. He traded Dwight for a bunch of picks that everyone thought would be late rounders one turned out to be a lottery in the most stocked draft ever. Are u saying trading JJ for Tobias wasnt a risk? How about taking Vuc and Harkless over Bynum who was coming off a very good year. You are only saying he doesnt take risks because he didnt take some overhyped over publicized Australian player. Hell last year he made the only pick in the top 8 that is actually looking like an allstar player give me a **** break this board is raving mad.

Relax man, it has been a long day.

I am not necessarily saying I don't like the picks. I do not think Henny took single risk so far. He made moves that were not perceived well initially, but that has nothing to do with taking risks. I am pretty sure he knew exactly what he was getting.

My opinion is based on his 3 year draft history, not just this years. There is a trend here. Dipo was as sure of a thing as possible last year and we knew exactly what we are getting. Same is true for Nicholson and Gordon, too.

But what exactly is the problem with taking a sure thing? Cleveland took a risk drafting Bennett over Oladipo. And not 24 hours ago they were begging us to trade him to them. You should take risks with later picks in the late loto or late teens early 20s not at the very top especially this year. You need to make sure u get a productive player and he did

rcklsscognition · Post #2459 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:37 am

Swish28 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:To be fair, trading JJ for Harris wasn't a risk. Henny had scouted Harris already and Harris had been putting up consistent numbers around 17 and 8 for like 4 years at that point. Vuc and Harkless over Bynum would have been obvious to us if we had the medical records that Henny saw. Not saying they weren't good moves, but they weren't the work of a savant. He's proven nothing yet either, we've been terrible for two years and probably going on a 3rd. I can't view anything he's done as a great move because we suck and nothing has come of anything Henny has done. We have to win something.

Harris was putting up 17 and 8 for 4 years? We traded for him during his second season while he was sitting at the end of the Bucks bench so I don't know where you're getting these stats from.

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Harris was putting up very consistent advanced statistics and per40 since he began college. He's continued on the same path since being traded here too. It was to be expected he would play like this given more minutes basically is what I'm saying.

Reverse_Angle · Post #2460 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:38 am

Dylan, you are acting like a 12 year old Nazi. Relax buddy, it is OK. Nobody said Henny is an idiot or screwed everything up. Anybody ever compared him to Otis? Can't we have opinions about his moves and rationalize those opinions using logic? Wtf are we doing here otherwise?
Yep, he does not take much risks. That is an objective statement of my opinion, and not necessarily a bad thing.

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