#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Elden Payton · Post #1001 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:41 am

I love the attitude!

mrknowitall215 · Post #1002 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:54 pm

Why is everybody writing Biyombo off with the Vonleh selection? He had a better year than Zeller, and a actual defined role as a rim protector, something he's pretty good at, arguably 'elite'. I just don't get it. Is points on the board that important? or is everyone just superficial stat sheet observers?

catch20two · Post #1003 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:58 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Why is everybody writing Biyombo off with the Vonleh selection? He had a better year than Zeller, and a actual defined role as a rim protector, something he's pretty good at, arguably 'elite'. I just don't get it. Is points on the board that important? or is everyone just superficial stat sheet observers?

They crazy. That's what it is. All they see is points.

chabber · Post #1004 » by **chabber** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:03 pm

I'm not writing him off personally. I'm just thinking of Clifford's rotations last year and how hard it was for Biz to get minutes. Until Vonleh earns his minutes, I don't think he would play over Biz or Zeller. He's only 18.

catch20two · Post #1005 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:10 pm

chabber wrote:I'm not writing him off personally. I'm just thinking of Clifford's rotations last year and how hard it was for Biz to get minutes. Until Vonleh earns his minutes, I don't think he would play over Biz or Zeller. He's only 18.

I'd say Cliff's rotations were heavily based on the fact that we lacked shooting in our depth. Now that we got Hairston and Vonleh can shoot from outside of the paint as a PF unlike Zeller we'll see the value in Biz. Look how Biz held us down in Game 4 against the Heat. We loss but Biz looked a lot more competent as a backup C than Zeller did in that series.

Elden Payton · Post #1006 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:12 pm

People just understand that having 235 bigs on the roster does not fit into 96 minutes a game.

Biz will be fine.

ARHornet · Post #1007 » by **ARHornet** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:47 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Why is everybody writing Biyombo off with the Vonleh selection? He had a better year than Zeller, and a actual defined role as a rim protector, something he's pretty good at, arguably 'elite'. I just don't get it. Is points on the board that important? or is everyone just superficial stat sheet observers?

Because Zeller is just such a great scorer.

Trust me, I don't get it either.

Eoghan · Post #1008 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:05 am

Why is he not Hakeem the dream yet?

Anyway, this is Bismack's break out or bust year according to me. Raw bigs usually need 3 years and I figured he'd need 4 so I'm looking forward to seeing if he can take a big step forward. I've liked his progress, especially considering the joke of coaching staffs we had his first 2 years.

Rosque · Post #1009 » by **Rosque** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:23 am

I hope he can develop into nice defensive big man. Always liked him and thought he'd develop faster. He's still very young, he's what? 21? He has 4-5 years of developing until he hits his prime. He has good tutor in Big Al for offense.

Elden Payton · Post #1010 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:52 am

Rosque wrote:I hope he can develop into nice defensive big man. Always liked him and thought he'd develop faster. He's still very young, he's what? 21? He has 4-5 years of developing until he hits his prime. He has good tutor in Big Al for offense.

Biz was statistically the top rim protector in the NBA last season among qualified players (4+ contested shots a game) in only 14mpg.

Yep he's 21 years old at present, I'm not sure his offense will ever be more than a slight improvement on what it is, but he's such a good defender I personally don't think it really matters.

Post #1011 » by **Diop** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:22 am

the offence matters as Clifford had to take him out of games because we couldn't afford to play 4 on 5 on offence.
We just don't have the offensive tools to hide someone like Biz. There were times where having him on the court just destroyed our offence, so they went with Zeller/McBob.

That's why he played bugger all in the playoffs.

If he could at least develop a nice jumper that will stop his opponent cheating off him, he will be a whole lot more dependable. This goes for MKG as well. Offensive possessions become critical down the stretch of the game, you want to play in the 4th quarter, make sure you opponent has to defend you.

ohara · Post #1012 » by **ohara** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:33 am

Biyombo will be just fine. I expect he will make a marked improvement this season based on his experience, maturity as well as having more shooters. All this will allow him more minutes this coming season.

Rosque · Post #1013 » by **Rosque** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:35 am

Sik Infant wrote:
Rosque wrote:I hope he can develop into nice defensive big man. Always liked him and thought he'd develop faster. He's still very young, he's what? 21? He has 4-5 years of developing until he hits his prime. He has good tutor in Big Al for offense.

Biz was statistically the top rim protector in the NBA last season among qualified players (4+ contested shots a game) in only 14mpg.

Yep he's 21 years old at present, I'm not sure his offense will ever be more than a slight improvement on what it is, but he's such a good defender I personally don't think it really matters.

I knew he was a beast on defense all along. But thought he'd develop a hook shot or something. This kid is inadequate offensive player. When you play MKG and Biz that becomes a big big problem. Then you're playing basically 3 on 5 on the offense. Do you think he can become DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler on offense(which isn't saying much tbh)

Elden Payton · Post #1014 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:39 am

Considering MKG and Biyombo's defense, it becomes 3 on 3...I'm joking but they do add a lot to our team, as Clifford is a defensive coach.

He's actually got few moves he breaks out sometimes, he does a few dream shakes a season, his hook shot over his left shoulder is decent and he has shown flashes of a jumper.

He just hasn't put it all together over stretches of games.

I think he can be that garbage guy, ala Deandre Jordan.

Elden Payton · Post #1015 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:42 am

Sachmo wrote:the offence matters as Clifford had to take him out of games because we couldn't afford to play 4 on 5 on offence.
We just don't have the offensive tools to hide someone like Biz. There were times where having him on the court just destroyed our offence, so they went with Zeller/McBob.

That's why he played bugger all in the playoffs.

If he could at least develop a nice jumper that will stop his opponent cheating off him, he will be a whole lot more dependable. This goes for MKG as well. Offensive possessions become critical down the stretch of the game, you want to play in the 4th quarter, make sure you opponent has to defend you.

We just don't have the personnel to hide Biz' lack of offense, I agree completely.

We also don't have any other post defender that is even in the same stratosphere as Biz at locking down the paint.

I look at what Biz has got, not what he doesn't, I just hope he'll have it one day.

Biz would be great on a contender that will just let him play his role, ala LAC or MIA.

Post #1016 » by **Diop** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:57 am

Miami started fricking Rashard Lewis during the finals, as the Birdman is to much of an offensive weakness. Biz probably would have gotten as much time as Oden on that Miami team.

I really like Biz and am not trying to bag him, I just trying to be realistic.
Until you become at least remotely an offensive threat, you're going to struggle getting minutes at times.

Elden Payton · Post #1017 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:09 pm

That is one of the reasons they lost!

Put him next to Blake or Ibaka and he would certainly be able to play that lunch pail role imo.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1018 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:56 pm

Sachmo wrote:Miami started fricking Rashard Lewis during the finals, as the Birdman is to much of an offensive weakness. Biz probably would have gotten as much time as Oden on that Miami team.

I really like Biz and am not trying to bag him, I just trying to be realistic.
Until you become at least remotely an offensive threat, you're going to struggle getting minutes at times.

The Heat played their best ball when Birdman was on the floor throughout the past two seasons. Rim protection and rebounding are very important & key areas to success in the NBA

Elden Payton · Post #1019 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:11 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Sachmo wrote:Miami started fricking Rashard Lewis during the finals, as the Birdman is to much of an offensive weakness. Biz probably would have gotten as much time as Oden on that Miami team.

I really like Biz and am not trying to bag him, I just trying to be realistic.
Until you become at least remotely an offensive threat, you're going to struggle getting minutes at times.

The Heat played their best ball when Birdman was on the floor throughout the past two seasons. Rim protection and rebounding are very important & key areas to success in the NBA

With the modern NBA being focussed on ball movement, spacing and (to counter that) loading the weakside, I'd suggest that rim protection is more important than it has ever been.

HornetJail · Post #1020 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:21 pm

Biz would have taken Birdman's minutes if he played for Miami, that's for sure. Now we better not gift him to Miami too.