Post-Draft Kevin Love Thread

Archer1 · Post #41 » by **Archer1** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:27 pm

I would say the Celtics are out of it now by virtue of making their selections last night. Well played Flip...good luck getting more value when you have one less team in the mix.

Viljanen · Post #42 » by **Viljanen** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:33 pm

Thompson will allways be offered. GSW can´t pay max contracts to Lee, Love, Iguodala, Curry and Klay.

The only problem for Love to stay is if he´s not going to be professional and start bitching all day long.

Narf · Post #43 » by **Narf** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:43 pm

Is Denver out of the running?

kmgarnett21 · Post #44 » by **kmgarnett21** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:54 pm

Even thought the draft is over and the Celtics picks have "lost value," I'd still like to see a Boston deal get done. Something along the lines of Smart/Olynyk/Green/one future BKN pick and one future BOS pick.

If not Boston, hopefully something happens with the Cavs where we can get Wiggins and a role player or two.

If it's Chicago, I'd want McDermott, Gibson and Mirotic, at least.

Narf · Post #45 » by **Narf** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:58 pm

kmgarnett21 wrote:If it's Chicago, I'd want McDermott, Gibson and Mirotic, at least.

3 PFs?

fattymcgee · Post #46 » by **fattymcgee** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:01 pm

Love needs to be traded before the season. Once the season starts Flip will be coaching and won't have time to work the phones. Getting a good deal trying to trade Love is a full-time job and he won't have the time for it. Plus I don't think we would get as much for him once the season starts.

Archer1 · Post #47 » by **Archer1** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:23 pm

If I were the Celtics' GM, I would be offering...

Sullinger, Bass, Bogans, Anthony, 2015 PHI #1, 2016 BRK #1

Minny gets two PFs to fill out their roster (Sullinger being a decent long term prospect, Bass a hard working backup that is expiring), a non-guaranteed contract to save money, another expiring, and two picks - one being a Brooklyn pick.

I suspect that this isn't more appealing than GS or Chicago's offers given Flip's desire to win now.

Yay! Go Flip. You strive for that 8th seed with your bad self!

Post #48 » by **Basti** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:29 pm

Narf wrote:Is Denver out of the running?

Were they ever really in? Granted, I missed a few days of the trade rumors leading up to the draft but I can't see Love re-signing with them due to the market. They'd probably be a middle-lower pack of playoff teams with him on the squad but so would Cleveland in the east and Love wouldn't want to re-sign there.

Note30 · Post #49 » by **Note30** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:36 pm

I think the one issue is that we don't understand what Flip is going for here. Picking Zach LaVine surprised me, he's a project not a NBA ready guy, so why would Flip pick someone when he wants to win now. Yet on the radio he say's "Kevin wants to win, so we will win next year." I don't understand his actions. I thought for sure we would pickup either Payne or someone else. But instead we picked up a guy who won't be good until a year from now.

kmgarnett21 · Post #50 » by **kmgarnett21** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:42 pm

Narf wrote:
kmgarnett21 wrote:If it's Chicago, I'd want McDermott, Gibson and Mirotic, at least.

3 PFs?

I see McDermott more as a SF. And if you're losing Love, you better get a couple of PFs back, especially if Mirotic isn't coming right over immediately...

jpatrick · Post #51 » by **jpatrick** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:43 pm

Note30 wrote:I think the one issue is that we don't understand what Flip is going for here. Picking Zach LaVine surprised me, he's a project not a NBA ready guy, so why would Flip pick someone when he wants to win now. Yet on the radio he say's "Kevin wants to win, so we will win next year." I don't understand his actions. I thought for sure we would pickup either Payne or someone else. But instead we picked up a guy who won't be good until a year from now.

This. Unless Lebron tells Clev he's coming home if they get Love (I would say a near 0% chance), I don't think the offers will get better than what the Celtics were supposedly offering last night, so what's going on Flip?

Note30 · Post #52 » by **Note30** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:57 pm

Basti wrote:
Narf wrote:Is Denver out of the running?

Were they ever really in? Granted, I missed a few days of the trade rumors leading up to the draft but I can't see Love re-signing with them due to the market. They'd probably be a middle-lower pack of playoff teams with him on the squad but so would Cleveland in the east and Love wouldn't want to re-sign there.

The answer: Not really, no. For the reasons you stated, and because they can't provide anything decent. In all honesty though.

A
Lawson , Afflalo, (Gallinari/Chandler) , Love, McGee
Robinson, Foye, Miller , Arthur, Mozgov
would be scary enough that it would be in competition for the playoffs.

In return they would have to include a third team in a trade if they trade Gallo or Chandler with Faried. I think if the Wizards lose Gortat, Faried would be an interesting option to move to the 4 with Nene, or perhaps Faried would be better suited on a team like the Kings, were they can afford him. Hell maybe we can snag Mclemore now that the Kings went and got Stauskas. Overall, I think the Denver is still an interesting trade partner given it has two young draft picks and some interesting role players and starters that could be of interest to a number of teams.

Keep in mind, McGee and Gallinari were both injured, and that the entire team was pretty weakened, couple that with a coach that has no experience they had a viable excuse for not being good. I could see Love signing there if B.Shaw proves he's half the coach his mentor was and if the team stays healthy. They would probably make the playoffs with that team.

Note30 · Post #53 » by **Note30** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:09 pm

jpatrick wrote:
Note30 wrote:I think the one issue is that we don't understand what Flip is going for here. Picking Zach LaVine surprised me, he's a project not a NBA ready guy, so why would Flip pick someone when he wants to win now. Yet on the radio he say's "Kevin wants to win, so we will win next year." I don't understand his actions. I thought for sure we would pickup either Payne or someone else. But instead we picked up a guy who won't be good until a year from now.

This. Unless Lebron tells Clev he's coming home if they get Love (I would say a near 0% chance), I don't think the offers will get better than what the Celtics were supposedly offering last night, so what's going on Flip?

Honestly I don't see the whole LeBron - Cavs thing so far fetched it shouldn't atleast be a sub-conscious thought. But I honestly feel like if he does go anywhere else, the Cavs will be the one place he goes to where he gets the least shieet for going to. If he does want Love, then a suitable trade would be Wiggins and Jack, Varajeo for KLove and Martin.

On the other hand, this totally sends Flips plan for the playoffs to the pooper and if we do that trade our lineup would be really, really weird

Rubio, Brewer, Wiggins, Dieng, Pekovic
Jack, LaVine , Budinger, Varajeo

Scottpax · Post #54 » by **Scottpax** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:10 pm

The Chicago deal makes us much better defensively.

I'm tired of flashy, one dimensional players. I want some hard-nosed defense. Snell and Taj Gibson will come in and provide it.

We need to bolster our perimeter defense, otherwise history has a tendency to repeat itself. Flimsy Interior defense has always been a T-wolve's Achilles heel. :banghead:

Krapinsky · Post #55 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:18 pm

I think Melo is going to Chicago -- just too loaded for him to pass up and he seems to want to play for Thibs.
I think Lebron is going to stay in Miami. I think with Napier they'll have him sold on a PG and they'll be able to sign another one or two cheap free agents to improve the team around him.
I think the Love ship sailed with Boston drafting Smart and Young and the Wolves drafting Lavine and G-Rob III. If Love is moved at all, it's probably going to be to GS and be dissappointing.

wildvikeswolves · Post #56 » by **wildvikeswolves** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:28 pm

Krapinsky wrote:I think Melo is going to Chicago -- just too loaded for him to pass up and he seems to want to play for Thibs.
I think Lebron is going to stay in Miami. I think with Napier they'll have him sold on a PG and they'll be able to sign another one or two cheap free agents to improve the team around him.
I think the Love ship sailed with Boston drafting Smart and Young and the Wolves drafting Lavine and G-Rob III. If Love is moved at all, it's probably going to be to GS and be dissappointing.

sadly i agree.

holding out hope for LeBron and Cleveland but its very slim if a chance at all. If he wanted to win more titles he would be smarter to go there

Post #57 » by **C.lupus** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:48 pm

Note30 wrote:I think the one issue is that we don't understand what Flip is going for here. Picking Zach LaVine surprised me, he's a project not a NBA ready guy, so why would Flip pick someone when he wants to win now. Yet on the radio he say's "Kevin wants to win, so we will win next year." I don't understand his actions. I thought for sure we would pickup either Payne or someone else. But instead we picked up a guy who won't be good until a year from now.

Kevin won't be on the team next year no matter what Flip says to the media. What he's doing (most likely) is finalizing a deal with Golden State. He'll have Rubio and Thompson as the starting backcourt so he doesn't need to draft a guard who is ready to start day one.

What I don't understand is the logjam at SF. Brewer, Budinger, Shabazz, GR3, LRMAM are all primarily 3s. There's going to have to be another trade down the road.

SaintS · Post #58 » by **SaintS** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:51 pm

at the moment we have

1)After the draft Boston is out of the persuit.
2)Chicago concentrate on Melo.
3)And....finally Flip has only one team for trade GS, which feel it and won't include Tompson in a deal.

Note30 · Post #59 » by **Note30** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:54 pm

C.lupus wrote:
Note30 wrote:I think the one issue is that we don't understand what Flip is going for here. Picking Zach LaVine surprised me, he's a project not a NBA ready guy, so why would Flip pick someone when he wants to win now. Yet on the radio he say's "Kevin wants to win, so we will win next year." I don't understand his actions. I thought for sure we would pickup either Payne or someone else. But instead we picked up a guy who won't be good until a year from now.

Kevin won't be on the team next year no matter what Flip says to the media. What he's doing (most likely) is finalizing a deal with Golden State. He'll have Rubio and Thompson as the starting backcourt so he doesn't need to draft a guard who is ready to start day one.

What I don't understand is the logjam at SF. Brewer, Budinger, Shabazz, GR3, LRMAM are all primarily 3s. There's going to have to be another trade down the road.

Isn't there a higher possibility there is a three-team trade cause Lee has got a massive contract. Not good for our finances haha, espec if we want to re-sign the Ricky Show.

I guess I put too much faith in what Flip says to the media.
In all reality I'm hoping we bounce Bud and LRMAM. I hope we start Shabazz and or/Dieng if we trade Love.

NW · Post #60 » by NW » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:03 pm

I think the Minn/GS Love talks are in a holding pattern while we see what Melo (and to a lesser extent, LeBron) do. I think this will benefit Minnesota as it opens up the chances for more in a trade from GS.

Houston and Chicago will go hard after Melo and there may be no better weapon for either than the Warriors $9.8 TPE.

Per Ric Bucher, the Warriors have offered that to Houston for Lin if Parsons is included. He also reported the guy Flip wants as much as Klay is Parsons, so that may lead to Parsons to Minnesota.

I think that's a long shot though as the Rockets likely only make that deal if they think they can get Melo and LeBron and they probably won't get either.

But the leveraged threat of it could lead to Chicago bringing some of their pieces to the table for the TPE to keep it from Houston

Which team has the best realistic trade package for Kevin Love?