Post-Draft Kevin Love Thread

[wildvikeswolves]

Is the Celtics possible offer more attractive right now ? Than it was before ?
If Flip had the 6th + 17th you think Flip would go to Smart and J.Young ?

I think the possible offer now is less attractive, than it was before the draft.

If Lavine was rated as high as he says, id guess he would have went Randle (6), Lavine (13), Hood (17)

[Krapinsky]

Keep in mind that come trade deadline the landscape changes. Teams can then trade all the free agents they signed.

For example, if the Lakers went out and signed Luol Deng and Pau Gasol, then could turn around and trade us Deng, Gasol, and Randle at the deadline. *Not making an opinion on that hypothetical just using it as an example of how a trade might work*

[Archer1]

Is the Celtics possible offer more attractive right now ? Than it was before ?
If Flip had the 6th + 17th you think Flip would go to Smart and J.Young ?

I think the possible offer now is less attractive, than it was before the draft.

EDIT: Same thing to the Bulls.

That was exactly my point...

Because Flip has been stubbornly dragging his feet, he now damaged the offer of two potential trade candidates by removing his ability to make his own selections at the rumored draft picks involved in the Boston and Chicago trades respectively.

[Note30]

I don't think Jones is a starting caliber PF. We don't have a use for LIn and Parson's is going to get his $10-12M year. I guess it depends on if you prefer Parsons at $10-12M or Klay at $13M-Max. I'd prefer Klay.

No way Parsons goes for 12 unless Lance Stephenson and Gordon Hawyard are getting 13+. The market wouldn't allow it. If Parsons is coming over its on an 8-10 mill contract.

Why do Lance and Hayward get more than Parsons?

If you think Parsons is a tier worse than those guys than it is a REALLY bad trade.

Simply put, I feel there is more of a market. Indiana and Utah will obviously offer both of their candidates money. Houston won't. It's not a matter of tier, its a matter of market need. If teams know that Houston will simply match whatever offer they throw and trade him to another team there is less of demand for that player. In addition, Parsons was pushed as an RFA. He wasn't even sent a qualifying offer, so that cap room could be freed up. That hurts his value oh so slightly. Lance Stephenson will get atrocious offers close to 11 to 12 mill when he doesn't deserve more than 9 simply to rip him from under Indiana's luxury tax line. Hayward will get even more because Utah is more pressed to keep him. Parsons won't because Houston will match any offer if it is made public that he will be traded pending FA.

[Merc_Porto]

Compared to Golden State the trade is way better. A guaranteed Parsons and mid contract Jones is better than a max contract bitching Klay Thompson books wise and player wise. Lee is 15 million cap hit for two years. JLin is a one year 8 mill cap hit. Lee is old, JLin is young. We fill the positions and still have a really really good team.

Like i said before, i think we(T-Wolves fans over here) are seriosly undervalue some players from the Warriors like Thomopson and Barnes, and Maybe Lee too (the contract is awful, but the guy is a double double machine) but that is just me.

[Note30]

Compared to Golden State the trade is way better. A guaranteed Parsons and mid contract Jones is better than a max contract bitching Klay Thompson books wise and player wise. Lee is 15 million cap hit for two years. JLin is a one year 8 mill cap hit. Lee is old, JLin is young. We fill the positions and still have a really really good team.

Like i said before, i think we(T-Wolves fans over here) are seriosly undervalue some players from the Warriors like Thomopson and Barnes, and Maybe Lee too (the contract is awful, but the guy is a double double machine) but that is just me.

I don't think I do. This Love trade will set us back, and in no way will push us forward for one season. That being said, if we are still trying to compete, we have to take assets we can move to quickly improve the team and stabilize the financial flexibility. The GSW does the opposite of that. It adds an aging over-rated player who only got double doubles due to the pace of the game and a budding young stud who wouldn't sign with us unless we dumped piles of gold on his lap. Then we're just left with one guy who is old and heavy on the contract. Hello Lottery 2016 - 2020.

[MinneOOPalis]

We aren't trading him. I can guarantee you that now.

[Note30]

We aren't trading him. I can guarantee you that now.

I'd agree with you. But I do think he will be traded later. Just not now.

[Klomp]

And what if the Golden State trade doesn't happen? That eliminates the two problems you just brought up.

Well, yeah, obviously. It doesn't solve the SF logjam, though.

And once they solve the logjam, the complaint will be "we don't have enough depth on the wing."

[MinneOOPalis]

I think the Lakers have emerged as a contender after drafting Julius Randle, though.

[NW]

Like i said before, i think we(T-Wolves fans over here) are seriosly undervalue some players from the Warriors like Thomopson and Barnes, and Maybe Lee too (the contract is awful, but the guy is a double double machine) but that is just me.

I don't think I do. This Love trade will set us back, and in no way will push us forward for one season. That being said, if we are still trying to compete, we have to take assets we can move to quickly improve the team and stabilize the financial flexibility. The GSW does the opposite of that. It adds an aging over-rated player who only got double doubles due to the pace of the game and a budding young stud who wouldn't sign with us unless we dumped piles of gold on his lap. Then we're just left with one guy who is old and heavy on the contract. Hello Lottery 2016 - 2020.

With all due respect, what makes you think Parsons will be anymore ecstatic about going to Minnesota than Thompson? Parsons may be a bigger challenge. If the Rockets don't offer the Option year, he's a RFA and can't be dealt. If they do he's a UFA next summer and you risk losing him for nothing if he wants out

[ShermansShoes]

I would say the Celtics are out of it now by virtue of making their selections last night. Well played Flip...good luck getting more value when you have one less team in the mix.

I'd like to know just how far Ainge was willing to go to get Love. How many picks, Sullinger or KO, trade exception, expirings? If he offered it all Flip would have had to take it right? So it had to have landed somewhere in the middle. Either way, I doubt Minny wants Smart or Young. Ditto on Bradley and Green since they are no redundant with the 2 picks. I don't see any trade Minny would accept from Boston, other than some fantasy 3 team deal. That Boston visit by Love had me convinced he was coming. You guys know anybody who needs an All Star point guard with some recently repaired damage? Celtics forums turn now to be invaded..

[Note30]

Like i said before, i think we(T-Wolves fans over here) are seriosly undervalue some players from the Warriors like Thomopson and Barnes, and Maybe Lee too (the contract is awful, but the guy is a double double machine) but that is just me.

I don't think I do. This Love trade will set us back, and in no way will push us forward for one season. That being said, if we are still trying to compete, we have to take assets we can move to quickly improve the team and stabilize the financial flexibility. The GSW does the opposite of that. It adds an aging over-rated player who only got double doubles due to the pace of the game and a budding young stud who wouldn't sign with us unless we dumped piles of gold on his lap. Then we're just left with one guy who is old and heavy on the contract. Hello Lottery 2016 - 2020.

With all due respect, what makes you think Parsons will be anymore ecstatic about going to Minnesota than Thompson? Parsons may be a bigger challenge. If the Rockets don't offer the Option year, he's a RFA and can't be dealt. If they do he's a UFA next summer and you risk losing him for nothing if he wants out

It's out of his hands thats why. The Rockets didn't offer the option. He's a RFA which means that after being offered a contract, Houston can match. At which point he is completely under Houston's control. If he wants to go to L.A. I could care less, he'll be traded, which means he has to play for MIN, and from what I can tell, he's not a whiner, so it won't be an issue. Thompson is still under contract but is approaching his QO year. Which means he will demand max money or become a RFA next year which means large market teams like the Lakers will pry him away with a ridiculous Poison Pill contract that Minnesota simply can't match.

And if you are going to go and say well he'll be offered a lot of money too, I'll cite you to my earlier post which explains why no one will offer him anything ridiculous.

[Note30]

I think the Lakers have emerged as a contender after drafting Julius Randle, though.

How so? Randle is one guy, They have no other assets. I guess they have Pau, but he'll demand a crazy amount of money. Unless the Lakers take a significant load of our bad contracts, there will be issues.

[NW]

It's out of his hands thats why. The Rockets didn't offer the option. He's a RFA which means that after being offered a contract, Houston can match. At which point he is completely under Houston's control. If he wants to go to L.A. I could care less, he'll be traded, which means he has to play for MIN, and from what I can tell, he's not a whiner, so it won't be an issue. Thompson is still under contract but is approaching his QO year. Which means he will demand max money or become a RFA next year which means large market teams like the Lakers will pry him away with a ridiculous Poison Pill contract that Minnesota simply can't match.

And if you are going to go and say well he'll be offered a lot of money too, I'll cite you to my earlier post which explains why no one will offer him anything ridiculous.

Not quite accurate. If a team matches on an RFA, the RFA has to approve any trade. He could easily refuse a trade to Minnesota.

Ironically, that was the case when the Warriors traded Marc Jackson to Minnesota back in the day. Jackson had refused other trades

[Mattya]

Don't mind a Denver deal anymore if we can get Faried, Gallo, Harris, Nurkic for Love. Would have liked it even more if they could have grabbed Napier.

[Takingbaconback]

Wolves put themselves in a poor position to trade Kevin Love.

The GSW trade doesn't make too much sense for the wolves now.
Bulls got their man in McDermott by trading their 2 picks so they won't be trading for Love
Ainge give off the vibe that he really likes what Celtics did with Smart and Hood. Doesn't make sense for the wolves to get back Smart either with Rubio, Martin, LaVine.

At this point, I agree that Nuggets trade looks pretty enticing. Putting a team filled with athletic above the rim players next to Rubio isn't a bad idea with LaVine, Faried, Dieng, and Brewer. If Budinger fully recovers, he could be a sharpshooter along with LaVine (hopefully) and be an athletic piece as well.

I'm not sure about Afflalo though... how are the wolves going to have him, LaVine, and Martin? Kevin Martin has got to go somehow someway... I think most teams would move on from the Love trade if Kevin Martin was included which sucks.

[Devilzsidewalk]

The Chicago deal makes us much better defensively.

I'm tired of flashy, one dimensional players. I want some hard-nosed defense. Snell and Taj Gibson will come in and provide it.

We need to bolster our perimeter defense, otherwise history has a tendency to repeat itself. Flimsy Interior defense has always been a T-wolve's Achilles heel.

I could not agree more. I kinda disagree with Flip's "hit a homerun" approach, because he views "homerun" as the highest potential PPG perimeter players possible, but we've already seen that a 25+ ppg player with good shooting gets this team nowhere. I don't know, maybe he just needs time to bring everything together. Have to give him that I spose, but I'm kinda skeptical of where this is going.

[Note30]

It's out of his hands thats why. The Rockets didn't offer the option. He's a RFA which means that after being offered a contract, Houston can match. At which point he is completely under Houston's control. If he wants to go to L.A. I could care less, he'll be traded, which means he has to play for MIN, and from what I can tell, he's not a whiner, so it won't be an issue. Thompson is still under contract but is approaching his QO year. Which means he will demand max money or become a RFA next year which means large market teams like the Lakers will pry him away with a ridiculous Poison Pill contract that Minnesota simply can't match.

And if you are going to go and say well he'll be offered a lot of money too, I'll cite you to my earlier post which explains why no one will offer him anything ridiculous.

Not quite accurate. If a team matches on an RFA, the RFA has to approve any trade. He could easily refuse a trade to Minnesota.

Ironically, that was the case when the Warriors traded Marc Jackson to Minnesota back in the day. Jackson had refused other trades

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.

Aha. I guess we better hope he accepts the trade. We'll tell him he'll win the Beauty Pageant every year in Minnesota no matter what.

[Takingbaconback]

The Chicago deal makes us much better defensively.

I'm tired of flashy, one dimensional players. I want some hard-nosed defense. Snell and Taj Gibson will come in and provide it.

We need to bolster our perimeter defense, otherwise history has a tendency to repeat itself. Flimsy Interior defense has always been a T-wolve's Achilles heel.

I could not agree more. I kinda disagree with Flip's "hit a homerun" approach, because he views "homerun" as the highest potential PPG perimeter players possible, but we've already seen that a 25+ ppg player with good shooting gets this team nowhere. I don't know, maybe he just needs time to bring everything together. Have to give him that I spose, but I'm kinda skeptical of where this is going.

Tony Snell is a soft player who can't shoot, he is exactly the one dimensional player you are talking about. I would not want him in the package. I also don't see why the Bulls would make a trade for Love now. They got their outside shooting threat in McDermott, and he is a very good fit in Chicago. To give up McDermott and Gibson wouldn't be worth it for the Bulls imo.