2014 Draft Thread (Early offseason panic edition).

[Kanyewest]

At least EG got a lot of cash with his pick. The Wizards got $1.8 million for the #46 pick. The Timberwolves got $1 million for the #44 pick.

[pcbothwel]

At least EG got a lot of cash with his pick. The Wizards got $1.8 million for the #46 pick. The Timberwolves got $1 million for the #44 pick.

Exactly, people need to relax. it looks like Kehm Birch might sign with our summer league too. If I told you at when the draft kicked off that we would end up with Burton, Miller, Birch and 2M you would think RC Buford or Ujiri was running the draft... C'mon people.

[verbal8]

When you amnesty someone, you're still on the hook for their remaining salary. That's why Andray only signed for the vet minimum b/c he was still getting $6 or $7 million from the Wizards, and he hated us. He did that on purpose. I think the last year of his deal is $8.3 million, but since he opted out, Ted will pay the difference of his new salary and what Ted owes to 'Dray. Same situation with Drew, he's got $6 million coming his way from Milwaukee so he's probably going to get the vet minimum from the Wiz or someone else.

I think Blatche's contract should net the Wizards between nearly 2 million due to the offset(I think it is half of the earnings over the vet minimum). It wouldn't make sense for him to sign anything smaller than a deal starting at $3 million, and I think think he could command close to $5 million.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

99% of 2nd round picks do absolutely nothing in the NBA. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is equal to like the 6th round in the NFL. I really don't see the big deal in selling the pick.

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche, Ryan Kelly all say hello.

I could come up with a lot more.


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[W. Unseld]

Still feeling screwed as a fan, especially p*ssed that I'm sleep deprived between work and kids and could've passed out before 10:00, but have managed to distract myself with this Bill Simmons article that was written before the draft but is still relevant--it doesn't address the underlying problem about not taking a flyer in the second round, but it is interesting and a much needed distraction:
http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft ... pick-1995/

[pancakes3]

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche all say hello.

Speaking of which, after the Hawks just drafted Payne maybe he'll be available? He solves a bunch of roster issues.

[verbal8]

If you want to get more annoyed about selling the pick, a 2015 2nd was available from the Hawks:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1330505

Atlanta Hawks get: No. 48 pick Lamar Patterson
Milwaukee Bucks get: 2015 second-round pick

I realize the Hawks pick is a year later and likely even worse, however if you don't like the options this year - getting one next year seems like a good idea.

[gambitx777]

http://grantland.com/features/nba-draft ... pick-1995/
Otto Porter should be in the to soon to tell category! He was basically red shirted last year. But that is an amazing piece, and if anything it shows how valuable second round picks can be!

[payitforward]

At least EG got a lot of cash with his pick. The Wizards got $1.8 million for the #46 pick. The Timberwolves got $1 million for the #44 pick.

Exactly, people need to relax. it looks like Kehm Birch might sign with our summer league too. If I told you at when the draft kicked off that we would end up with Burton, Miller, Birch and 2M you would think RC Buford or Ujiri was running the draft... C'mon people.

So... this was a good move because we got $800K more than Minny did for their #44? Would it have been a good move if somehow we'd gotten a little less than Minny did?

I'll think Buford or Ujiri is running our draft when we can get a good player with something other than the first or third pick in the draft, ok?

And, btw, I'm delighted that Birch has signed with us. Oh, wait a minute, you wrote that "it looks like... he might sign...." Can we at least wait on that Buford/Ujiri thing until we actually get him on our SL team?

Worth mentioning that signing him for SL gives us no rights over him -- not even as a camp player, let alone signing him to our roster. You think that if the real Buford or Ujiri tells his agent they want to sign him that he'll prefer the Wizards.

Still, yep, you are right: we'll be able to have some guys on our SL team that no NBA team thought was worth enough to acquire their rights even in the late 50's of the draft. That's a definite Buford/Ujiri right there, for sure.

[payitforward]

99% of 2nd round picks do absolutely nothing in the NBA. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is equal to like the 6th round in the NFL. I really don't see the big deal in selling the pick.

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche, Ryan Kelly all say hello.

I could come up with a lot more.

You sure could, and Higga's comment is particularly brain dead given that we are looking at a list of guys *right now* who are thriving out of R2, and whom we could have taken but didn't. Not just "could have" but that people here -- you, me, and quite a few others -- were screaming we should take.

In fact, if you look at high R2 picks (like the ones we have repeatedly sold or burned), they do just about as well in the league as low R1 picks do. And of course they are much bigger bargains than late R2 picks, because you get to find out if they can play without guaranteeing their contracts (wch are also smaller of course).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

99% of 2nd round picks do absolutely nothing in the NBA. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is equal to like the 6th round in the NFL. I really don't see the big deal in selling the pick.

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche, Ryan Kelly all say hello.

I could come up with a lot more.

Just from 2012, 2nd rounders:

Bernard James, Jae Crowder, Draymond Green, Khris Middleton, Will Barton, Doron Lamb, Darius Miller, Kyle O'Quinn, Robbie Hummel, Robert Sacre.

From 2011:

Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Shelvin Mack, Lavoy Allen, Etwaun Moore, Jon Leuer, Josh Harrelson, Vernon Macklin, Jordan Williams.

The truth is only guaranteed contracts prevent MORE second rounders from making rosters. I think the NBA draft is stupid for being so bound up. Round one guys often bust. Too many potential players are drafted. Too many superior players fall into the numbers games. Too many idiot GMs draft the same things, the same player they already have over and over. Not enough drafting for need and emphasizing character is done.

OFTEN second round players are better than players drafted in round one. OCCASIONALLY, a lottery-worthy talent like Parsons or Millssp slips into round two.

It is not uncommon for a starting quality player to go undrafted. That player invariably fails the tape test and he plays four years at a lesser conference.

Wolters was surely underrated.

I think Deonte Burton is even more underrated. Washington needs to recognize just how likely Burton will be a good player.





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[TGW]

At least EG got a lot of cash with his pick. The Wizards got $1.8 million for the #46 pick. The Timberwolves got $1 million for the #44 pick.

Ok and...how does that improve the team exactly?

They could have gotten back 10 million dollars and it still would have pissed me off as a fan.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

99% of 2nd round picks do absolutely nothing in the NBA. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is equal to like the 6th round in the NFL. I really don't see the big deal in selling the pick.

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche, Ryan Kelly all say hello.

I could come up with a lot more.

You sure could, and Higga's comment is particularly brain dead given that we are looking at a list of guys *right now* who are thriving out of R2, and whom we could have taken but didn't. Not just "could have" but that people here -- you, me, and quite a few others -- were screaming we should take.

In fact, if you look at high R2 picks (like the ones we have repeatedly sold or burned), they do just about as well in the league as low R1 picks do. And of course they are much bigger bargains than late R2 picks, because you get to find out if they can play without guaranteeing their contracts (wch are also smaller of course).

Agreed.

Lies like what EG repeats over and again need to be exposed for anyone who listens to see.

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[Kanyewest]

99% of 2nd round picks do absolutely nothing in the NBA. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is equal to like the 6th round in the NFL. I really don't see the big deal in selling the pick.

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche, Ryan Kelly all say hello.

I could come up with a lot more.


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I guess the Wizards are going the undrafted route- Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Jeremy Lin, Udonis Haslem, Darrell Armstrong, Brad Miller, Jose Calderon.

I would have kept the pick but let's hope they can find someone left from the scraps.

[Kanyewest]

At least EG got a lot of cash with his pick. The Wizards got $1.8 million for the #46 pick. The Timberwolves got $1 million for the #44 pick.

Ok and...how does that improve the team exactly?

They could have gotten back 10 million dollars and it still would have pissed me off as a fan.

It maximizes value of money that could be spent better elsewhere such as resigning Gortat+Ariza, paying bills like when the team is over the luxury tax. It's like the Wizards are cashing out on a lottery ticket. Still, there does appear to be value to be had with that pick, here's hoping the Wizards found it by looking at looking at undrafted free agents.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

99% of 2nd round picks do absolutely nothing in the NBA. The 2nd round of the NBA draft is equal to like the 6th round in the NFL. I really don't see the big deal in selling the pick.

Manu Ginobili, Michael Redd, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, Paul Millsap, Isaiah Thomas (Kings), Patty Mills, Norris Cole, Danny Green, Kyle Korver, Mike Scott, DeJuan Blair, Andray Blatche, Ryan Kelly all say hello.

I could come up with a lot more.


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I guess the Wizards are going the undrafted route- Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Jeremy Lin, Udonis Haslem, Darrell Armstrong, Brad Miller, Jose Calderon.

I would have kept the pick but let's hope they can find someone left from the scraps.

They already have a gem in Burton.

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[TGW]

At least EG got a lot of cash with his pick. The Wizards got $1.8 million for the #46 pick. The Timberwolves got $1 million for the #44 pick.

Ok and...how does that improve the team exactly?

They could have gotten back 10 million dollars and it still would have pissed me off as a fan.

It maximizes value of money that could be spent better elsewhere such as resigning Gortat+Ariza, paying bills like when the team is over the luxury tax. It's like the Wizards are cashing out on a lottery ticket. Still, there does appear to be value to be had with that pick, here's hoping the Wizards found it by looking at looking at undrafted free agents.

No offense, but that sounds like lip service from a greedy owner. The Wizards have blown a lot more money than that on paying players to simply go away. Instead of paying guys to go away (Blatche) or paying guys to rot on the bench (Vesely), why not invest in a cheap 2nd rounder without a guaranteed contract. Very low cost, but possibly high reward--those are exactly the type of assets we should be utilizing, not throwing away for cash.

[Kanyewest]

They already have a gem in Burton.

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I hope you are right. Draftexpress has Burton ranked over Clarkson .

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

[Kanyewest]

No offense, but that sounds like lip service from a greedy owner. The Wizards have blown a lot more money than that on paying players to simply go away. Instead of paying guys to go away (Blatche) or paying guys to rot on the bench (Vesely), why not invest in a cheap 2nd rounder without a guaranteed contract. Very low cost, but possibly high reward--those are exactly the type of assets we should be utilizing, not throwing away for cash.

True the Wizards shouldn't throw away cash by overpaying vets like Gortat/Ariza. But if the Wizards can get someone with good value through the undrafted route then it isn't really a big deal IMO. Of course that remains to be seen which is a similar of case of waiting to see if EG could find value in the 2nd round.

[FAH1223]

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Even if Burton or one of these other guys balls out, Ted will not keep them on the roster.