Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1)

[AWillFan20]

So is this guy coming over as soon as next season or will he play in Europe?

One - Brazil is in South America.
Two - he's coming to Toronto tomorrow and working out with his new teammates next week.

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I'm pretty sure there's no rule preventing Brazilians from playing in Europe.

Ok but guys who are stashed in Europe already play in Europe.... its kind of convenience mixed with the fact they have professional contracts already.

Drafting a Brazilian, then sending him somewhere to be culture shocked for a year or two and learn a system that he won't be using when he comes over is probably not going to help anything.

I swear it's like people don't think of any angle but the way they personally see things. Then they're quick to jump on people just because it makes them feel smarter or something.

You totally missed the concept of why NBA drafted players sometimes STAY in Europe.. they dont GO to Europe.

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One - Brazil is in South America.
Two - he's coming to Toronto tomorrow and working out with his new teammates next week.

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I'm pretty sure there's no rule preventing Brazilians from playing in Europe.

Ok but guys who are stashed in Europe already play in Europe.... its kind of convenience mixed with the fact they have professional contracts already.

Drafting a Brazilian, then sending him somewhere to be culture shocked for a year or two and learn a system that he won't be using when he comes over is probably not going to help anything.

With an 18 year old, you want to control diet and weight training. No European team is going to invest much time and effort in a loaner. Nor would he likely be able to play at a Euroleague or EuroCup level, certainly not big minutes. It works better with a college player because he might be over there for several years for all anyone knows (See Anthony Parker, Will Bynum, Alan Anderson - all guys who had long careers with European teams, and the Europeans have good reason to invest in their development.)

[AWillFan20]

I'm pretty sure there's no rule preventing Brazilians from playing in Europe.

Ok but guys who are stashed in Europe already play in Europe.... its kind of convenience mixed with the fact they have professional contracts already.

Drafting a Brazilian, then sending him somewhere to be culture shocked for a year or two and learn a system that he won't be using when he comes over is probably not going to help anything.

With an 18 year old, you want to control diet and weight training. No European team is going to invest much time and effort in a loaner. Nor would he likely be able to play at a Euroleague or EuroCup level, certainly not big minutes. It works better with a college player because he might be over there for several years for all anyone knows (See Anthony Parker, Will Bynum, Alan Anderson - all guys who had long careers with European teams, and the Europeans have good reason to invest in their development.)

Agree as I usually do with you, but aren't those guys you pointed out ones who played in the NBA, somewhat failed THEN pursued their own careers in Europe? It's not like Alan Anderson was told to go over there to learn the game while Charlotte retained his draft rights. It's that he decided to go there to continue his career and developed into a better player right? Then he came back over knowing he was NBA ready.

Some of you guys need to relax. I don't understand why most people here believe that picks 20 and on have guaranteed game changers. Look at the past drafts. Only a few of them pan out and have an impact on their respective teams. I don't mind us taking a gamble at 20 because everyone else is also a gamble. People are up in arms because he's an unknown but just his body type makes him an interesting prospect. He can develop into a 3 and D guy, and he could be much more than that. There's a decent amount of potential with this pick, and it's not like guys after him are can't miss prospects. I'm perfectly fine with trying to develop a raw player that has shown nba level athleticism, 3 point shooting touch, defensive instincts and from the few clips available, offensive IQ and motor.

But BRO.. Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker bro. We should have drafted BPA bro because we know what bro's are the best pro's here bro.

LOL.. I 100% agree with you, and you pretty much said what I said earlier. A guy took this as me saying theres never been somebody picked late that turned out, when I said the overall success rate past the lotto isn't usually very high.

Especially 2nd rounders, anyone upset about not making moves for guys in the second round are insane. Without looking at any data whatsover I can probably state that less than 10% of 2nd rounders play several seasons at a role player to starter quality. I also hate people who said we could have had Brunno "at 59th". There hasn't been a 59th overall pick to play a single MINUTE of NBA gametime since 2007, and that was DJ Strawberry I think...

[Los Manos]

now that everyone has calmed down, read up on him and watched some tape, it's good to see that most agree there would have been a lot of support to swing for the fences and take Bruno at 20.

Also think it's such a great move to get him in LA in a few days with DeMar, Ross, Amir etc.. along with all the coaches/trainers.

It ultimately feels like a good old-fashioned high upside pick from the high school eligibility days, where he would have likely been taken a lot higher than 20. Sometimes they turn out great and sometimes they just never quite develop. But for the length of his rookie contract i'm going to be rooting for him to stay disciplined and dedicated to the game. That's usually the deciding factor and it's just damn hard to predict with any certainty whether a prospect will as their eyes fully open to the world. But getting him in with the locker room we have straight away should be really positive for an impressionable kid. Our guys are all about famliy and the game and I'd say we're building the right environment to increase our chances of these high risk/high reward talents developing positively.

[Kabookalu]

Going off of the draftexpress video, one thing that I already like is that he looks to move the ball. With other foreign players when they get the ball they're looking at their teammates wondering "what the hell do I do now?" Bruno doesn't look lost in that aspect. Plus he throws some sweet outlet passes.

Gah this lack of video is killing me, Summer League can't come any sooner.

[gutobr]

the thread question should be: You approves the ideia "Caboclo's project"?

[Legal Non-Conforming]

I'm still mad from last night, but only because PHX took Ennis preventing Masai from fulfilling his ideal draft scenario of picking up Ennis at 20 and Coboclo at 22 (via Memphis trade).

If the Raptors had drafted Ennis and Caboclo, this board would have exploded with joy. Have to say, I'm mad at Phoenix too. They are the last team that needed a pg.

[WhatsaTDot]

It's situations like this where having our own D-League team would be beneficial.

[UnderdogRaptors]

hes gonna be a nightmare when hes guarding wings on the opposing teams

[Crazomali]

hes gonna be a nightmare when hes guarding wings on the opposing teams

preach it brotha

[WhatsaTDot]

I don't mind the pick as much now, actually I'm about 2 beers away from being 2 beers away from loving the pick.

Lol perfect.

[Crazomali]

It's situations like this where having our own D-League team would be beneficial.

Bruno is much better than dleague players. He will get john salmons time in the beginning and by April be a fully capable starter.

[WhatsaTDot]

More importantly, what does Mufasa's system say about him, what's the Rashidi scoop and when will Harry Palmer return from banging models to shed some light on whether this is a 100% or 0% value pick?

[WhatsaTDot]

It's situations like this where having our own D-League team would be beneficial.

Bruno is much better than dleague players. He will get john salmons time in the beginning and by April be a fully capable starter.

Knowing that you love this pick, honestly notsureifsrs.jpg

[AWillFan20]

BTW guys, back when I first started getting into ball one of the first full drafts I ever watched was 1996... one of the greatest ever.

Lorenzen Wright, Vitaly Potapenko, Samaki Walker, Todd Fuller, Erick Dampier, Kerry Kittles.....

All those guys were drafted before #13, a pick traded to the Lakers for Vlade Divac. I don't feel I should even bring up his name cause some idiots will think I'm saying Bruno will turn into that type of player, which is FAR from my point.

Reasons I'm mentioning this:
1) I can picture Lakers fans wondering why the Lakers would trade a decent starting C for a skinny high schooler, (similar age to Bruno now) and some people questioned it heavily at the time. Back then you didn't draft high schoolers, but KG & this player started a trend.
2) All these guys people are saying are going to be much better than X player this year cause this drafts soooo deep.. won't have better careers than Samaki Walker or Lorenzen Wright when all said and done. And I'm talking about the picks BEFORE #20.


Will Bruno be a superstar? I don't know and prefer to be pessimistic so I don't put too much false hope into him, but as far as the way the draft goes, it really isn't that bad a pick.

And of course the Raptors get a low grade, keeping this guy off the 'experts' radar is an insult to their intelligence when Masai ends up selecting him lol. Maybe he should have sent out scouting reports and hyped him up to create awareness?

[UnderdogRaptors]

hes gonna be a nightmare when hes guarding wings on the opposing teams

preach it brotha

Bruno is gonna destroy LeBron,

[cammac]

The draft is a crap shoot especially at 20 even in this quality draft remember many on this board would have been happy if we reached to get Inglis or Stokes both went in the 30s. The Raptors in general have made good selections in the past. My 2 top selections would have been Anderson and Capela I'm encouraged that SAS took him at 30 they have good scouting and development but I also knew he had high bust potential and Capela had the tools but still raw.

Bruno was a complete unknown to everyone does that mean he is a bad player definitely not is he raw definitely he is the youngest player in the draft and looks like a thin Gumby. He definitely has the size which we definitely need obviously we will see more of his skill in summer league. Wiggins is considered a project as well and will require time to reach his potential. You also can rest assured at least SAS had him on their radar Tiago Splitter and Phoenix with Barbosa on the team so he would likely have gone at 27th or 30th.

[AWillFan20]

now that everyone has calmed down, read up on him and watched some tape, it's good to see that most agree there would have been a lot of support to swing for the fences and take Bruno at 20.

Also think it's such a great move to get him in LA in a few days with DeMar, Ross, Amir etc.. along with all the coaches/trainers.

It ultimately feels like a good old-fashioned high upside pick from the high school eligibility days, where he would have likely been taken a lot higher than 20. Sometimes they turn out great and sometimes they just never quite develop. But for the length of his rookie contract i'm going to be rooting for him to stay disciplined and dedicated to the game. That's usually the deciding factor and it's just damn hard to predict with any certainty whether a prospect will as their eyes fully open to the world. But getting him in with the locker room we have straight away should be really positive for an impressionable kid. Our guys are all about famliy and the game and I'd say we're building the right environment to increase our chances of these high risk/high reward talents developing positively.

Kobe Bryant, Darius Miles
Kevin Garnett, Desagnia Diop
Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry
Tracy McGrady, Shaun Livingston
Amare Stoudemire, Jonathon Bender

All of those guys had enough hype to be picked in the lottery... but for every all star you have a bust. It's always been risky, but hey Livingston's career turned out to be longer than a hell of a lot of accomplished college players.

[Crazomali]

It's situations like this where having our own D-League team would be beneficial.

Bruno is much better than dleague players. He will get john salmons time in the beginning and by April be a fully capable starter.

Knowing that you love this pick, honestly notsureifsrs.jpg

Im serious bruh never before am i super excited about the raps future. We finally have a legit one-two punch in JV & Bruno, a legitimate third option in Demar, and role players with a specific skill in ross, patman, and GV.

[witnessraps]

i hope he's our kawhi leonard