30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread

[Elden Payton]

We'll give him something like 4/16-20m imo.

If we don't we're stupid, he's worth it quite easily.

Id prefer something like 3/10

Its a huge year for him.

3/10 is more like Joel Anthony money and Biz right now is better than Joel has ever been.

I'd love it if we gave him 4/12 or something.

[mrknowitall215]

actually quite insightful, detailed, and fair-minded critique of vonleh from the utah jazz' radio analyst. good, in-depth look at some things he does well, and things he doesn't do as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0kBSaQsnQ[/youtube]

My belief that he's a turnover machine is confirmed via this video. This will keep him off the floor for extensive minutes, and the reason why we still need to re-sign McRoberts who happened to have a excellent assist-to-turnover ratio (in fact, only 2nd to Chris Paul himself)

[mrknowitall215]

Give Biyombo 3-years/$13 million with the 3rd year being a team or player option, and that'll be fair. There's no way the front office can justify not paying him over $4 million annually when he's pretty much guaranteed to be in the top-5 in blocks per 48 and block percentage at only 21 years old

[BeesWax]

actually quite insightful, detailed, and fair-minded critique of vonleh from the utah jazz' radio analyst. good, in-depth look at some things he does well, and things he doesn't do as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0kBSaQsnQ[/youtube]

My belief that he's a turnover machine is confirmed via this video. This will keep him off the floor for extensive minutes, and the reason why we still need to re-sign McRoberts who happened to have a excellent assist-to-turnover ratio (in fact, only 2nd to Chris Paul himself)

The lane will be less congested in the pros so that will help him. We do need to keep McRoberts as a starter while Vonleh develops more. He is very young and has a nice set of skills he just needs to refine them.

[Liver_Pooty]

If we don't resign McRoberts it will be tragic, unless some team offers him something outrageous

[Diop]

actually quite insightful, detailed, and fair-minded critique of vonleh from the utah jazz' radio analyst. good, in-depth look at some things he does well, and things he doesn't do as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0kBSaQsnQ[/youtube]

I didn't find this package complimentary to Noah at all.

In fact, it kind of soured me on him a little.

I like that its honest, most videos make them out to look like Stars.

Pick n Role is definitely his game, both offensively and defensively. There is room for growth but he is only 18.

Also a good example of why we shouldn't be jumping the gun saying that the draft spells the end of Biz/Zeller/McBob.
I think he will start out as the 3rd string big.

[BeesWax]

Give Biyombo 3-years/$13 million with the 3rd year being a team or player option, and that'll be fair. There's no way the front office can justify not paying him over $4 million annually when he's pretty much guaranteed to be in the top-5 in blocks per 48 and block percentage at only 21 years old

I am fine with this. I would be ok with a three or four year deal with the last of either being a both option. Something between 4-5 millions annually at average.

[DY_nasty]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

[BeesWax]

actually quite insightful, detailed, and fair-minded critique of vonleh from the utah jazz' radio analyst. good, in-depth look at some things he does well, and things he doesn't do as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c0kBSaQsnQ[/youtube]

I didn't find this package complimentary to Noah at all.

In fact, it kind of soured me on him a little.

I like that its honest, most videos make them out to look like Stars.

Pick n Role is definitely his game, both offensively and defensively. There is room for growth but he is only 18.

Also a good example of why we shouldn't be jumping the gun saying that the draft spells the end of Biz/Zeller/McBob.
I think he will start out as the 3rd string big.

Down the line if they all sort of become what we think they can. Biz great rim protector with limited offense. Vonleh a stretch four with defensive ability. Zeller a hustle big with mid range shot and athletic ability. These three could be a very good three big rotation.

[Liver_Pooty]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

Two years is even being nice. Ill say 3-4. Great talent though.

[BeesWax]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

Two years is even being nice. Ill say 3-4. Great talent though.

I think in two he could be a very good player. Not completely refined but what he has show already makes me think his skills will refine quicker than normal for a big. Now I think you are right that it will be closer to 3-4 until he really has a complete lock on the game mentally just due to age.

[mrknowitall215]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

I don't think he'll be as raw as he appear in some of the footage. With his skill sets, in the NBA a lot will open up for him. In his rookie year off the bench, all he'll have to do is just nail wide open 15-20 foot jump shot attempts, rebound, and try to alter every shot that come near the paint

[MasterIchiro]

I didn't find this package complimentary to Noah at all.

In fact, it kind of soured me on him a little.

I like that its honest, most videos make them out to look like Stars.

Pick n Role is definitely his game, both offensively and defensively. There is room for growth but he is only 18.

Also a good example of why we shouldn't be jumping the gun saying that the draft spells the end of Biz/Zeller/McBob.
I think he will start out as the 3rd string big.

Down the line if they all sort of become what we think they can. Biz great rim protector with limited offense. Vonleh a stretch four with defensive ability. Zeller a hustle big with mid range shot and athletic ability. These three could be a very good three big rotation.

Am I hearing you correctly?

[BeesWax]

I like that its honest, most videos make them out to look like Stars.

Pick n Role is definitely his game, both offensively and defensively. There is room for growth but he is only 18.

Also a good example of why we shouldn't be jumping the gun saying that the draft spells the end of Biz/Zeller/McBob.
I think he will start out as the 3rd string big.

Down the line if they all sort of become what we think they can. Biz great rim protector with limited offense. Vonleh a stretch four with defensive ability. Zeller a hustle big with mid range shot and athletic ability. These three could be a very good three big rotation.

Am I hearing you correctly?

That was for you man. I still have my doubts that he will get there but if they all work out, even if it is not to the best case, they could be a solid rotation. There targets as players are all different and compliment each other in different ways.

I am just referring to what it would be like if we get lucky and everyone pans out.

[Diop]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

I don't think he'll be as raw as he appear in some of the footage. With his skill sets, in the NBA a lot will open up for him. In his rookie year off the bench, all he'll have to do is just nail wide open 15-20 foot jump shot attempts, rebound, and try to alter every shot that come near the paint

going by that video help defense seems to be a weakness of his, lacks experience on when to help.
he also got bullied out of position in college, he will suffer worse in the NBA.

there is some definite growth required by vonleh. give him time before you expect him to be a regular NBA contributor.

[BeesWax]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

I don't think he'll be as raw as he appear in some of the footage. With his skill sets, in the NBA a lot will open up for him. In his rookie year off the bench, all he'll have to do is just nail wide open 15-20 foot jump shot attempts, rebound, and try to alter every shot that come near the paint

going by that video help defense seems to be a weakness of his, lacks experience on when to help.
he also got bullied out of position in college, he will suffer worse in the NBA.

there is some definite growth required by vonleh. give him time before you expect him to be a regular NBA contributor.

He was battling a 22 year old Adrien Payne in a lot of that film. Payne would have been a well used reserve in the NBA last year for his offense. His help defense awareness is a bit lacking right now but so was Al's and he did better than ever before last season. I think Clifford was best case scenario for Vonleh at the top of the draft.

[mrknowitall215]

Vonleh's gonna need two years no matter how you look at it.

Him and Cody playing together should be interesting to see though.

I don't think he'll be as raw as he appear in some of the footage. With his skill sets, in the NBA a lot will open up for him. In his rookie year off the bench, all he'll have to do is just nail wide open 15-20 foot jump shot attempts, rebound, and try to alter every shot that come near the paint

going by that video help defense seems to be a weakness of his, lacks experience on when to help.
he also got bullied out of position in college, he will suffer worse in the NBA.

there is some definite growth required by vonleh. give him time before you expect him to be a regular NBA contributor.

I'll give him until the middle of his 2nd season to really show that he's ready to be a certified starter, but I think he'll be ready to contribute in sparse minutes (20-23 minutes per game) right away as a rookie to the tune of somewhere between 9-11 points per game, 5-7 rebounds per game, and 1 block per game in that limited time as a rookie, and although I doubt it I wouldn't be surprised if he's starting by the end of the season (maybe due to injury in depth)

So, here's my prediction of his rookie stats: 10 points, 6 rebounds, and 1 block in 21 minutes per game

[Diop]

He was battling a 22 year old Adrien Payne in a lot of that film. Payne would have been a well used reserve in the NBA last year for his offense.

that's what I based my opinion on, when against strong competition like he will see daily in the NBA he struggled to keep his position.

[HornetJail]

We'll give him something like 4/16-20m imo.

If we don't we're stupid, he's worth it quite easily.

Id prefer something like 3/10

Its a huge year for him.

3/10 is more like Joel Anthony money and Biz right now is better than Joel has ever been.

I'd love it if we gave him 4/12 or something.

Joel Anthony money is 0/0. Biz is definitely worth what any other team offers him and given his current level I'd be surprised if any other team offered him 4/20, which I'd completely match.

[Liver_Pooty]

I hope people dont freak out when Vonleh is our third string PF behind McBob and Zeller. He has a ton of physical gifts and a nice skill set but he has a ways to go.