2014 Official FA Thread 2

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Monroe is an absolutely horrible fit in Phoenix, ESPECIALLY with Warren.

I could understand if you think Frye works better, but I think Kieff is an even worse fit. WWYD?

[thamadkant]

Yeah... Warren, Marcus and Markieff kind of have very similar offensive approach .
Markieff and Marcus loves to receive the ball either front face or back to the ring, they measure up front on and usually spend a few seconds before launching a jump shot ... Markieff has occasionally shown some successful post ups though.

Warren is more of a slash into the paint and attack the ring, occasionally he faces up and does his moves...

All 3 take a few seconds of measuring the defender before going to their moves... All 3 are trigger happy... Almost "black holes"... In that, they will likely try to score... Instead of facilitating or creating for others... Would love to see all 3 show some back to the basket approach... Draw a close defender in and kick out to the open man who either shoots or moves the ball to another.

[BobbieL]

The best fa that is attainable for us is probably Gasol. He can shoot, pass, and still rebounds at a pretty good clip. I might let Frye go to sign him. I think he has 3 good years left. Otherwise we could try to capitalize on a team going for it all. For instance, we could help Houston sign both Melo and LeBron by taking Harden and Lin off their hands, say for Plumlee and Green and picks.

Gasol is a viable option and only two years older than Frye I believe. Knicks can offer GAsol I believe only 4m this year. Suns can offer much more. I think he would be a solid fit - shoot, pass rebound.

I would be willing to take Gasol and Ariza for Frye and Tucker

Gambo has been on the Gasol and Deng bandwagon so I think come Tuesday, we will see what the Suns are up too

[JJ13]

Very quiet on the lance Stephenson front...I feel like someone is going to get him on a really good deal. Don't really want him on the Suns, but he would certainly improve the team

[BobbieL]

Very quiet on the lance Stephenson front...I feel like someone is going to get him on a really good deal. Don't really want him on the Suns, but he would certainly improve the team

I read Charlotte

[Saberestar]

Very quiet on the lance Stephenson front...I feel like someone is going to get him on a really good deal. Don't really want him on the Suns, but he would certainly improve the team

No to Stephenson.Period.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Fact is Bledsoe is not worth a max contract. You don't pay a player a Max Deal based on his potential. Sure he had a good little 40 game run with us. And threw up some pretty decent stats. But he is a 10 to 12 mill player at the most.
he's not the defensive terror as advertised btw.

There just are not that many free agents out there that we have a chance on. Parsons. Monroe, Hayward pretty much are the list of youngsters. Ring chasers Deng and Gasol pass on phnx, much like James, bosh, Melo and apparently Love.

That's just the way it is. I think we are stuck with the home grown method for now.

If EB gets a max offer, and we can't sign and trade him.... He walks in my book. I'll give his minutes along side Dragic to Goodwin Green and Warren then find a good back up PG (FA or trade) to fill in with Ennis. If Goodwin studs up you'll forget about lil lebon soon enough.

I don't want an Eric Gordan scenario on our hands, and looking at our draft where we snagged a pg, a sg, and a sg/sf, we prepared to avoid it.

Green, Goodwin , Tucker, and Warren handle the SG/SF minutes
Len and Plum split the Post
Dragic rolls 30-35
Keif gets 30

All we are lackin is 12-18 pg and 18 pf mins. Ennis grabs some of those at pg... And we either keep or replace Frye.

That's reality folks. Player collusion has changed this game.

all contracts are paid on potential. I don't agree with setting a limit on Bledsoe. Think of it like this if Bledsoe was on another team signed to a 4 yr 12 million per deal and to trade for him all the suns would need to do is take on another worthless player who's signed to a 4 yr 3 mil a yr deal. Everyone would be all for that deal. My point is you simply can not let a talented asset like Bledsoe leave over a few million dollars. That's simply awful asset management. Plus the suns have loads of cap room and from the looks of it no big names to spend it on.

People like to bring up Eric Gordon with the Bledsoe situation. Realistically the pelicans were right to match his deal and not lose him for nothing. Just because he got hurt and it looks like a bad move now doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision at the time. Injuries are a risk with any of these long term contracts but you can't let the chance that someone will get hurt prevent you from signing talent because it can happen to anyone.
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[RaisingArizona]

Well, it look like McDo is committed to signing Bled ... According to his interview... But really what else can he say?

There is some poker playing going on right now. We are just waiting for the flop... The turn ... And the river.

No whammy. No whammy NO WHAMMY!

[rsavaj]

Free agency primer: how much we can spend/how much cap space we'll have factoring cap holds, etc:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... er-the-cap

Sarver told Gambo he wants to go over the cap this summer, which means using Bird Rights to re-sign Tucker/Bledsoe after signing some big free agents first.

[STEV13]

Hope we really make a run at Gasol. Here's why...

If we want to have a decent showing against the powerhouse teams in the West, we need some inside presence and a veteran leader with experience (otherwise we get slaughtered... really bad) How do you think Plumlee, Len or the Morrii will handle a series of games againsts Duncan, Griffin, Ibaka, Nowitzki, LMA, Dwight, Marc Gasol, ZBo, etc.? Damn son. Who else can we get in the FA pool that can play these guys well?

Gasol will be huge for us if we make the playoffs. Book it.

[Frank Lee]

Good points /post WeekaP

I assume you are willing to do the same for Dragic, for he has truly earned his raise.

I'm a bit reluctant giving the max to someone (bled) who doesn't appear to be a leader.

Good to hear Sarver's once again ready to spend. How does the timing work with it all? Do we have to ink up these other FAs before we sign bled and Tucker? Can we sign B and T first and still go over the cap with other acquisitions? July 1 could be a fast paced day. Somebody is bound to force our hand

[WeekapaugGroove]

Free agency primer: how much we can spend/how much cap space we'll have factoring cap holds, etc:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... er-the-cap

Sarver told Gambo he wants to go over the cap this summer, which means using Bird Rights to re-sign Tucker/Bledsoe after signing some big free agents first.

I'm starting to get really afraid of what we're going to spend on this summer. After the big ticket guys like Bron and Melo are gone the rest of the free agent crop is pretty underwhelming. Even that next tier of guys like gasol and deng are older players who they will probably have to overpay to get and that's a scary proposition. I hope we don't see a repeat of the Warrick and Childress summer. Sometimes the best moves are ones you have the restraint not to make.

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[Sunsdeuce]

Free agency primer: how much we can spend/how much cap space we'll have factoring cap holds, etc:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... er-the-cap

Sarver told Gambo he wants to go over the cap this summer, which means using Bird Rights to re-sign Tucker/Bledsoe after signing some big free agents first.

I'm starting to get really afraid of what we're going to spend on this summer. After the big ticket guys like Bron and Melo are gone the rest of the free agent crop is pretty underwhelming. Even that next tier of guys like gasol and deng are older players who they will probably have to overpay to get and that's a scary proposition. I hope we don't see a repeat of the Warrick and Childress summer. Sometimes the best moves are ones you have the restraint not to make.

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I feel you on this. I think they will be smart with their signings.


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[rsavaj]

I'm not too interested in the Gasol/Deng route either, but aside from the top tier, there's not too many great free agents out there this summer.

I still think we make an offer to Hayward.

[bwgood77]

Free agency primer: how much we can spend/how much cap space we'll have factoring cap holds, etc:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/ ... er-the-cap

Sarver told Gambo he wants to go over the cap this summer, which means using Bird Rights to re-sign Tucker/Bledsoe after signing some big free agents first.

I'm starting to get really afraid of what we're going to spend on this summer. After the big ticket guys like Bron and Melo are gone the rest of the free agent crop is pretty underwhelming. Even that next tier of guys like gasol and deng are older players who they will probably have to overpay to get and that's a scary proposition. I hope we don't see a repeat of the Warrick and Childress summer. Sometimes the best moves are ones you have the restraint not to make.

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I totally agree. I don't necessarily like that statement from Sarver, though he did add the caveat that we won't just spend it to spend it. But yes, the truth is, I don't really like most of the guys out there (except the stars) any better than the guys we have. People are already worried about the players we drafted eating into certain players times.

I hope we don't spend big money on a declining vet who doesn't fit the team that well and will take away from the growth. We are more a team built and building to last for awhile and don't need to stymie the growth of younger guys by adding guys (at major dollars) who don't make us much (if at all) better anyway and could make us worse by impacting team chemistry. Best case scenario is we wisely find guys that are not being used properly and get them on the cheap (like Green, Plumlee) and/or take back assets with our cap space by maybe taking on a bad contract for a year (like how we got Bledsoe). Going and doing what Detroit did (sign Josh Smith to a young team because he's good and they have cap space) is a good example of why we just don't spend it on whoever.

Gasol could help in some areas, but have negative value in others and take playing time from others. I'm more neutral on him but would only want him for a year maybe. Not high on Deng with his spacing issues. If we did happen to lose Tucker I wouldn't mind starting Green at 3 either...better D would be nice, but still would rather have Ariza than Deng. Ultimately we need to just keep Tucker.

I like Hayward too and would love him but Utah probably has even more incentive to match at all costs (even a max) than we do for Bledsoe. They can match a max on him and still have major cap space next summer. ..enough for a max player and more.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Having slept on it, I think our best options are either to retain Frye and thereby stay with the same 4/5 situation this year as last year, or go after Greg Monroe. He's a better option than Pau, Bosh, or Kieff, IMO. If we did take Monroe, JDLAW made it clear to me that we would need to be careful to keep enough shooters on our roster to space the floor. So far, it looks like I'm in a minority of one on this issue, but Kevin Love and Al Horford ain't walking through those door.

How come everyone's so down with Pau but not Monroe? What does he provide that Greg doesn't? I don't get it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm not too interested in the Gasol/Deng route either, but aside from the top tier, there's not too many great free agents out there this summer.

I still think we make an offer to Hayward.

I think Hayward is a little overrated but shoot when I look some of the scary alternatives the suns could spend on I guess Id rather throw a huge offer at Hayward. I assume the Jazz would match but it's worth a shot.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm not too interested in the Gasol/Deng route either, but aside from the top tier, there's not too many great free agents out there this summer.

I still think we make an offer to Hayward.

Hayward fits with what they're doing in Utah. I think they keep him.

I totally agree. I don't necessarily like that statement from Sarver, though he did add the caveat that we won't just spend it to spend it. But yes, the truth is, I don't really like most of the guys out there (except the stars) any better than the guys we have. People are already worried about the players we drafted eating into certain players times.

I hope we don't spend big money on a declining vet who doesn't fit the team that well and will take away from the growth. We are more a team built and building to last for awhile and don't need to stymie the growth of younger guys by adding guys (at major dollars) who don't make us much (if at all) better anyway and could make us worse by impacting team chemistry. Best case scenario is we wisely find guys that are not being used properly and get them on the cheap (like Green, Plumlee) and/or take back assets with our cap space by maybe taking on a bad contract for a year (like how we got Bledsoe). Going and doing what Detroit did (sign Josh Smith to a young team because he's good and they have cap space) is a good example of why we just don't spend it on whoever.

Gasol could help in some areas, but have negative value in others and take playing time from others. I'm more neutral on him but would only want him for a year maybe. Not high on Deng with his spacing issues. If we did happen to lose Tucker I wouldn't mind starting Green at 3 either...better D would be nice, but still would rather have Ariza than Deng. Ultimately we need to just keep Tucker.

I (mostly) agree with all but the last part: I think we can let Tucker go. I really do think Warren's ready to step into his minutes. Mostly, because I think Monroe is an option for us, depending on what the Pistons want. For instance, I'd trade them Bogdanovic. I would not trade Ennis. I'd be willing to trade the Morrises instead, provided we can add another shooter at the 3/4 spot.

[bwgood77]

Having slept on it, I think our best options are either to retain Frye and thereby stay with the same 4/5 situation this year as last year, or go after Greg Monroe. He's a better option than Pau, Bosh, or Kieff, IMO. If we did take Monroe, JDLAW made it clear to me that we would need to be careful to keep enough shooters on our roster to space the floor. So far, it looks like I'm in a minority of one on this issue, but Kevin Love and Al Horford ain't walking through those door.

How come everyone's so down with Pau but not Monroe? What does he provide that Greg doesn't? I don't get it.

Well either Pau or Monroe would have to play center because they can't shoot, and would screw up Dragic and our system massively. You saw how much Pau loves to play away from the basket in LA.

If you really compare Plumlee and Monroe's stats, is Monroe REALLY THAT much better? Per 36 he is a worse rebounder and shot blocker (far worse shot blocker) and rim protector. He's likely to be expensive.

Another thing about going after him and Hayward is it ties up our cap space for three days before the other team most likely match anyway, which could prevent us from making other moves and missing out on other guys.

[drewsprocket]

I would hate to go over the cap just re-signing our own guys...that's not possible right?
Say Frye gets 6.5 with a declining salary multiple years, we match Bledsoe's max from other teams, and we sign Tucker to a 5 million per year deal...does that with our rookies put us over the cap?