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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#161 » by Diop » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:34 am

LofJ wrote:The Jazz are waaaaay under the salary floor right now, they're going to match whatever offer Hayward gets. So we need to stop barking up that tree, it's dead. Now Parsons/Lin on the otherhand, that is a possibility.

Edit: The only assets I'd send back to Houston for that deal is a future 1st, Neal, and Gee's unguaranteed contract. They wouldn't take Henderson, I'd be all over that if they would though.

Excellent point, I didn't consider Gee's contract as a tradeable asset, can we trade him straight away?

I wonder what we can get for him?
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Post#162 » by stinger14 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:43 am

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LofJ wrote:The Jazz are waaaaay under the salary floor right now, they're going to match whatever offer Hayward gets. So we need to stop barking up that tree, it's dead. Now Parsons/Lin on the otherhand, that is a possibility.

Edit: The only assets I'd send back to Houston for that deal is a future 1st, Neal, and Gee's unguaranteed contract. They wouldn't take Henderson, I'd be all over that if they would though.

Excellent point, I didn't consider Gee's contract as a tradeable asset, can we trade him straight away?

I wonder what we can get for him?


Chicago wants to unload salary for Carmelo. What about Gee and that 2019 second round pick from Miami for Mike Dunleavy Jr. Bulls cut Gee
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#163 » by LofJ » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:47 am

Sachmo wrote:
LofJ wrote:The Jazz are waaaaay under the salary floor right now, they're going to match whatever offer Hayward gets. So we need to stop barking up that tree, it's dead. Now Parsons/Lin on the otherhand, that is a possibility.

Edit: The only assets I'd send back to Houston for that deal is a future 1st, Neal, and Gee's unguaranteed contract. They wouldn't take Henderson, I'd be all over that if they would though.

Excellent point, I didn't consider Gee's contract as a tradeable asset, can we trade him straight away?

I wonder what we can get for him?


I think we'd have to wait until closer till the season starts, I don't think we can trade him right away. I'll have to check.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#164 » by Diop » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:48 am

amcoolio wrote:Lin's hit is only 8 Mil and hes expiring this season. If we can't get Lance, Lin/Parsons is a great consolation prize that I would do for Miami's 2nd rounder. They wouldn't be getting a first from us.

Kemba/Lin
Henderson/Hairston/Neal
Parsons/MKG/JT
McBob/Zeller/Vonleh
Jefferson/Biz

I like the idea of getting Lin and Parsons as I think we will miss out on the big free agents.
Hopefully we could still sign McBob as well.

MKG can still get plenty of minutes as our number 1 defender and if he looks like the best option I would even consider starting him at the 2. Would put some pressure on Hendo whose main role would be defensive wing of that starting unit. Let every player know they have to fight for and justify their position.

Fair bit of flexibility and a good mix of youth/veterans in that squad.
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Post#165 » by LofJ » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:06 am

Can you guys imagine how brutal it would be to go up against a frontcourt of MKG, Vonleh, and Biyombo if they all develop their offensive games?

We'd look a hell of a lot like the mid 2000's Pistons.
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Post#166 » by MasterIchiro » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:21 am

Great benefits to both the Lin/Parsons combo vs. Lance + MKG.

Lance could be like Harden as coolio mentioned, a 23 year old potential star to grow with the team. Lin + Parsons seem a great fit and Parsons is best shooter available right now as a starter.

The main thing I don't like about the Lin/Parsons combo is Gerald Henderson's the starter at SG. I really want to push him out far more than I want a starter blocking MKG.

I'd have to go with the Lance/MKG combo over Lin + Parsons.

Given Lance, if Parsons or Hayward is not possible and I can't get elite shooting, I'd fill out the roster with solid playmakers like Shaun Livingston + McRoberts to make up for it. McRoberts shooting helps. I would dump Neal though to free up time for Shaun Livingston.

PG-Kemba Walker/Shaun Livingston
SG-Lance Stephenson/Shaun Livingston/PJ Hairston
SF-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Gerald Henderson
PF-Josh McRoberts/Noah Vonleh/Cody Zeller
C-Al Jefferson/Cody Zeller/Bismack Biyombo
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Post#167 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:48 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Great benefits to both the Lin/Parsons combo vs. Lance + MKG.

Lance could be like Harden as coolio mentioned, a 23 year old potential star to grow with the team. Lin + Parsons seem a great fit and Parsons is best shooter available right now as a starter.

The main thing I don't like about the Lin/Parsons combo is Gerald Henderson's the starter at SG. I really want to push him out far more than I want a starter blocking MKG.

I'd have to go with the Lance/MKG combo over Lin + Parsons.

Given Lance, if Parsons or Hayward is not possible and I can't get elite shooting, I'd fill out the roster with solid playmakers like Shaun Livingston + McRoberts to make up for it. McRoberts shooting helps. I would dump Neal though to free up time for Shaun Livingston.

PG-Kemba Walker/Shaun Livingston
SG-Lance Stephenson/Shaun Livingston/PJ Hairston
SF-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Gerald Henderson
PF-Josh McRoberts/Noah Vonleh/Cody Zeller
C-Al Jefferson/Cody Zeller/Bismack Biyombo


About time you put together a roster that kept our best defender in the starting lineup. I'm looking forward to see the lineup you just proposed next season whether we land Shaun Livingston, Greivis Vasquez, or Mo Williams as the backup PG

The only thing I'd change is, I'd put Biyombo as immediate backup C to Jefferson. Biyombo is better than Zeller. Biyombo had a better season than Zeller. Biyombo has a higher PER than Zeller. Biyombo has a higher PIE% (player impact estimate percentage) than Zeller. Biyombo has more win shares than Zeller (despite playing over 300 minutes less). Biyombo, Biyombo, Biyombo

I don't know how you're a UConn fan and be so adverse to defense & rim protection. That's what we thrive on. If UConn isn't top-20 in the NCAA in blocks, it's usually a down year
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#168 » by tonman » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:32 am

because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#169 » by chabber » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:14 pm

LofJ wrote:
Sachmo wrote:
LofJ wrote:The Jazz are waaaaay under the salary floor right now, they're going to match whatever offer Hayward gets. So we need to stop barking up that tree, it's dead. Now Parsons/Lin on the otherhand, that is a possibility.

Edit: The only assets I'd send back to Houston for that deal is a future 1st, Neal, and Gee's unguaranteed contract. They wouldn't take Henderson, I'd be all over that if they would though.

Excellent point, I didn't consider Gee's contract as a tradeable asset, can we trade him straight away?

I wonder what we can get for him?


I think we'd have to wait until closer till the season starts, I don't think we can trade him right away. I'll have to check.


I'm pretty positive that it used to be that you can move him again, however you can't move him with other players on your team until a set amount of time has passed. I don't know if that rule changed in the new CBA.
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Post#170 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:57 pm

tonman wrote:because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.


That's what the other players are for. I can show you over a dozen championship teams that had one starter that averaged less than 8 points because he fulfilled a role on the floor that didn't involve scoring
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Post#171 » by BeesWax » Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:05 pm

tonman wrote:because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

Only one of those two guys helps up do that right now and it is Biz. He may not score but he prevents a lot of points from other players too. Zeller right now doesn't score well enough to overcome what he gives up. I would rather you score 6 and give up 2 vs score 12 and give up 16.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#172 » by tonman » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:55 pm

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tonman wrote:because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.


That's what the other players are for. I can show you over a dozen championship teams that had one starter that averaged less than 8 points because he fulfilled a role on the floor that didn't involve scoring


we have a big that can put up points but is dependent on others to feed him the basketball.
the next guy is a 6'1 point who shot less than 42% from 2 points.
third best offensive player is hendo. speaks much. all three have a PPS less than 1.2 pps meaning they need shots to score. Big Al takes almost 19 shots per game and less than 4 FT per game.

iow, the hornets are not efficient on offense and counting on defensive players makes the offense less efficient.

there is a difference between not scoring a lot of points because you don't have to and not scoring a lot of points because you can't.
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Post#173 » by catch20two » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:00 pm

Stolen from Knowitall. Copy and paste.

Kemba Walker/Mo Williams/A.J. Price
Lance Stephenson/Anthony Morrow/Gary Neal
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Chris Douglas-Roberts/P.J. Hairston
Josh McRoberts/Noah Vonleh/Cody Zeller
Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Jeff Adrien

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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#174 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:15 pm

tonman wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
tonman wrote:because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.


That's what the other players are for. I can show you over a dozen championship teams that had one starter that averaged less than 8 points because he fulfilled a role on the floor that didn't involve scoring


we have a big that can put up points but is dependent on others to feed him the basketball.
the next guy is a 6'1 point who shot less than 42% from 2 points.
third best offensive player is hendo. speaks much. all three have a PPS less than 1.2 pps meaning they need shots to score. Big Al takes almost 19 shots per game and less than 4 FT per game.

iow, the hornets are not efficient on offense and counting on defensive players makes the offense less efficient.

there is a difference between not scoring a lot of points because you don't have to and not scoring a lot of points because you can't.


Well, excuse me. I didn't know adding a offensively stout scorer that can't defend at backup center like Spencer Hawes for example would make the Hornets significantly better. My argument was that Biyombo's presence as a rim protector on this roster is a dire need, and that in due time when Jefferson retires and/or expires, and Vonleh develops into a 15-plus points per game scorer combined with the improvements of the rest of the roster at the scoring end whether it's just progress of the current players or acquisitions of more offensively talented players that Biyombo will be more important than you know
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Post#175 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:17 pm

catch20two wrote:Stolen from Knowitall. Copy and paste.

Kemba Walker/Mo Williams/A.J. Price
Lance Stephenson/Anthony Morrow/Gary Neal
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Chris Douglas-Roberts/P.J. Hairston
Josh McRoberts/Noah Vonleh/Cody Zeller
Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Jeff Adrien

This is my lineup. Hashtag #makeithappencho


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Post#176 » by tonman » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:20 pm

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tonman wrote:because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

Only one of those two guys helps up do that right now and it is Biz. He may not score but he prevents a lot of points from other players too. Zeller right now doesn't score well enough to overcome what he gives up. I would rather you score 6 and give up 2 vs score 12 and give up 16.


your logic is sound except that you assume that the offense is good enough against the opposing team's defense to score enough points or your defense with biz is good enough to prevent the other team's offense to outscore yours.

the reason charlotte played well last season is because they took defense and said you're going to have to beat our defense. but charlotte's not the bad boys of Detroit. those guys could score, they just valued defense more. we're not at that level. bring in players who are have the offensive skills and who will work within a team defensive scheme and you will see that you are not losing much on the defense and gaining offensive execution and flexibility.

there's no reason biz should be let go but to make him a starter on an offensively challenged team is not going to make charlotte better.

flexibility is key that's why I like the vonley and hairston draft. vonley can play the 4/5 and can play low or high post. hairston is a big guard that can shoot, 2 way player who can play the 2/3 position.

we need to lock into the top 8 player rotation. anyone after that can be a specialized role player or future development project.

1. PG - walker fills the role but is undersized. prefer a bigger backup that can get to the rim, run the 2nd unit.
2. SG - brought in hairston as a big SG with range. gives roster flexibility in moving hendo/mkg/neal/taylor.
3. SF - see above.
4. PF - if mcbob stays you have your vet playmaking big who can stretch the floor and with zeller/vonleh covers the position. if mcbob goes, you have youth.
5. C - Jefferson maintains the position. no issues with biz as backup but now you need scoring from your 4 to offset lack of post scoring when biz is in.

that's why I kinda like the parsons/lin combo. they bring in offense but not as good defense but now you can start justifying having a biz in the lineup or an mkg if he's not dealt.

PG - kemba 6'1, lin 6'3
SG - <vet>, hairston 6'6
SF - parsons 6'9, <backup>
PF - zeller 7'10, vonley 6'10
C - Jefferson 6'10, biz 6'9

vet = hendo or neal
backup = mkg or taylor
depending on how parsons/lin would be acquired.

but you see with lin and hairston as the backcourt "2nd team", you've got offense off the bench. just work the rotation and you've got offense as well as defense especially if mkg is kept. if you think playing biz at the 4 alongside Jefferson helps, sobeit. but the key is flexibility and zeller/vonleh provides that so you can do that. you could even slide parsons to the 4 for times so you can have a 3 guard lineup.
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Post#177 » by mrknowitall215 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:25 pm

We might have ourselves a new 'MasterIchiro' in 'tonman' that values offense so much to the point that defense is just a mere imaginary talking point. I'm sure you guys must've loved those D'Antoni Suns teams
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Post#178 » by tonman » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:29 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:We might have ourselves a new 'MasterIchiro' in 'tonman' that values offense so much to the point that defense is just a mere imaginary talking point. I'm sure you guys must've loved those D'Antoni Suns teams


and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.
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Post#179 » by BeesWax » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:30 pm

tonman wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
tonman wrote:because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

Only one of those two guys helps up do that right now and it is Biz. He may not score but he prevents a lot of points from other players too. Zeller right now doesn't score well enough to overcome what he gives up. I would rather you score 6 and give up 2 vs score 12 and give up 16.


your logic is sound except that you assume that the offense is good enough against the opposing team's defense to score enough points or your defense with biz is good enough to prevent the other team's offense to outscore yours.

the reason charlotte played well last season is because they took defense and said you're going to have to beat our defense. but charlotte's not the bad boys of Detroit. those guys could score, they just valued defense more. we're not at that level. bring in players who are have the offensive skills and who will work within a team defensive scheme and you will see that you are not losing much on the defense and gaining offensive execution and flexibility.

there's no reason biz should be let go but to make him a starter on an offensively challenged team is not going to make charlotte better.

flexibility is key that's why I like the vonley and hairston draft. vonley can play the 4/5 and can play low or high post. hairston is a big guard that can shoot, 2 way player who can play the 2/3 position.

we need to lock into the top 8 player rotation. anyone after that can be a specialized role player or future development project.

1. PG - walker fills the role but is undersized. prefer a bigger backup that can get to the rim, run the 2nd unit.
2. SG - brought in hairston as a big SG with range. gives roster flexibility in moving hendo/mkg/neal/taylor.
3. SF - see above.
4. PF - if mcbob stays you have your vet playmaking big who can stretch the floor and with zeller/vonleh covers the position. if mcbob goes, you have youth.
5. C - Jefferson maintains the position. no issues with biz as backup but now you need scoring from your 4 to offset lack of post scoring when biz is in.

that's why I kinda like the parsons/lin combo. they bring in offense but not as good defense but now you can start justifying having a biz in the lineup or an mkg if he's not dealt.

PG - kemba 6'1, lin 6'3
SG - <vet>, hairston 6'6
SF - parsons 6'9, <backup>
PF - zeller 7'10, vonley 6'10
C - Jefferson 6'10, biz 6'9

vet = hendo or neal
backup = mkg or taylor
depending on how parsons/lin would be acquired.

but you see with lin and hairston as the backcourt "2nd team", you've got offense off the bench. just work the rotation and you've got offense as well as defense especially if mkg is kept. if you think playing biz at the 4 alongside Jefferson helps, sobeit. but the key is flexibility and zeller/vonleh provides that so you can do that. you could even slide parsons to the 4 for times so you can have a 3 guard lineup.

Now that is a Zeller I could get behind.

In all seriousness though that team can't defend a rec league team. We still need a starting PF and if you traded MKG to land Parsons we need a new wing defender of some quality because we have become a sieve.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#180 » by JDR720 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:31 pm

Offense and defense are both important, but defense is the most consistent of the two and you can count on it, on offense if your shot isn't falling then your shot isn't falling, nothing you can really do

so i'm gonna say defense is a little more important than offense

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