ImageImageImage

RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible?

Moderators: dVs33, Cowology, theBigLip, Snakebites

User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,204
And1: 1,817
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#1 » by GreekAlex » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:09 pm

I like his game and heart but for a PG that will command a near max deal and has only started 70+ games, is he worth the gamble? Also, playing with Goran Dragic and playing off the ball quite a bit can he exclusively run an offense?

I think he's much higher risk/ high reward than Moose and has the potential to be great ala Russel Westbrook or could turn out to be often injured not worth the contract like a PG version of Eric Gordon.

In the event he's worth pursuing, what would it take to not have the Suns match or can a sign & trade be worked out?
DCintheD
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,949
And1: 653
Joined: May 30, 2010
   

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#2 » by DCintheD » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:20 pm

I'd rather go after Parsons
RIP PALACE OF AUBURN HILLS
sfballa13
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,831
And1: 928
Joined: Jan 11, 2005

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#3 » by sfballa13 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:31 pm

GreekAlex wrote:I like his game and heart but for a PG that will command a near max deal and has only started 70+ games, is he worth the gamble? Also, playing with Goran Dragic and playing off the ball quite a bit can he exclusively run an offense?

I think he's much higher risk/ high reward than Moose and has the potential to be great ala Russel Westbrook or could turn out to be often injured not worth the contract like a PG version of Eric Gordon.

In the event he's worth pursuing, what would it take to not have the Suns match or can a sign & trade be worked out?



Injury history + 100% chance Suns match = not worth it

No one left in FA is worth it except Parsons. We need to offer him 13.5M over 4 years on midnight July 1.
rmfc
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,918
And1: 936
Joined: Jul 19, 2009
     

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#4 » by rmfc » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:35 pm

Eric Bledsoe is not a MAX player but he, definitely, is fantastic.
User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,204
And1: 1,817
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#5 » by GreekAlex » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:50 pm

DCintheD wrote:I'd rather go after Parsons


I'm with you, I'd love to have Parsons at the 3.... The only reason I ask about Bledsoe is that I'd like to imagine a PG of the future to develop with Dre.

Clearly most believe Jennings is not the long term answer and I'd like to have a young PG develop chemistry with Andre.

If Houston strikes out on LeBron & Melo I would do whatever it takes to do a sign & trade deal for Parsons because hopefully with their interest in J. Smith last off-season they see his value as a potential complement to D. Howard.
ImHeisenberg
Head Coach
Posts: 6,465
And1: 2,323
Joined: Apr 01, 2013
 

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#6 » by ImHeisenberg » Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:55 pm

sfballa13 wrote:

Injury history + 100% chance Suns match = not worth it

No one left in FA is worth it except Parsons. We need to offer him 13.5M over 4 years on midnight July 1.


100% correct on Bledsoe.

And, going max for Parsons? Wow. That might be more than I had in mind. Do you consider him a max player, or simply believe that is what it will cost to get it done?


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,204
And1: 1,817
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#7 » by GreekAlex » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:02 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
sfballa13 wrote:

Injury history + 100% chance Suns match = not worth it

No one left in FA is worth it except Parsons. We need to offer him 13.5M over 4 years on midnight July 1.


100% correct on Bledsoe.

And, going max for Parsons? Wow. That might be more than I had in mind. Do you consider him a max player, or simply believe that is what it will cost to get it done?


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums


I don't see him as a max player either but if it means trading J. Smiths contract and paying Parsons at the same rate, it's better than taking back semi-bad contracts for Smith like the reported Sacramento deal.
sfballa13
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,831
And1: 928
Joined: Jan 11, 2005

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#8 » by sfballa13 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:13 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
sfballa13 wrote:

Injury history + 100% chance Suns match = not worth it

No one left in FA is worth it except Parsons. We need to offer him 13.5M over 4 years on midnight July 1.


100% correct on Bledsoe.

And, going max for Parsons? Wow. That might be more than I had in mind. Do you consider him a max player, or simply believe that is what it will cost to get it done?

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums


Parsons isnt worth more than 10M but to get him to sign an offer sheet and at the same time call Morey's bluff of matching we would need to give him every penny we have.

We arent going to bad enough or get lucky enough to land a top 5 pick next year, we wont have cap space next year, so we might as well go for it this summer.

I will be extremely disappointed if all we have to show for nearly 15M is a few crap players when players like Bosh are willing to sign for 15M we should be able to land a difference maker with that type of money.
User avatar
ComboGuardCity
RealGM
Posts: 25,973
And1: 4,897
Joined: Jul 10, 2010

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#9 » by ComboGuardCity » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:29 am

Parsons is comparable to Batum and Batum got slightly overpaid based on consensus. I'd be happy to give Parsons that kind of money. Dare I say it, but the way SVG talks about Jennings has me optimistic.



Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
User avatar
GreekAlex
Analyst
Posts: 3,204
And1: 1,817
Joined: Jul 10, 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#10 » by GreekAlex » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:53 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:Parsons is comparable to Batum and Batum got slightly overpaid based on consensus. I'd be happy to give Parsons that kind of money. Dare I say it, but the way SVG talks about Jennings has me optimistic.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums



Spread the hope!... What has SVG said regarding Jennings?
Warspite
RealGM
Posts: 13,523
And1: 1,228
Joined: Dec 13, 2003
Location: Surprise AZ
Contact:
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#11 » by Warspite » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:26 am

The Suns have told Bledsoe that they would entertain a sign and trade to the team of his choosing.


That basically poses 2 problems.

1. How do you lure him to Detroit

2. How much are you willing to pay (Monroe+KCP+1st) Phx wants a kings ransom for Bledsoe or they match.
HomoSapien wrote:Warspite, the greatest poster in the history of realgm.
sfballa13
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,831
And1: 928
Joined: Jan 11, 2005

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#12 » by sfballa13 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:45 am

Warspite wrote:The Suns have told Bledsoe that they would entertain a sign and trade to the team of his choosing.


That basically poses 2 problems.

1. How do you lure him to Detroit

2. How much are you willing to pay (Monroe+KCP+1st) Phx wants a kings ransom for Bledsoe or they match.


If we give more than just Monroe for Bledsoe we are idiotic

Id throw in Mitchell and Singler at most
tmorgan
RealGM
Posts: 14,271
And1: 9,767
Joined: Feb 04, 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
   

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#13 » by tmorgan » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:48 am

Warspite wrote:The Suns have told Bledsoe that they would entertain a sign and trade to the team of his choosing.


That basically poses 2 problems.

1. How do you lure him to Detroit

2. How much are you willing to pay (Monroe+KCP+1st) Phx wants a kings ransom for Bledsoe or they match.


I do think Bledsoe is worth more than Moose... but not THAT much more. Perhaps one or the other (KCP, 1st), but certainly not both.
Warspite
RealGM
Posts: 13,523
And1: 1,228
Joined: Dec 13, 2003
Location: Surprise AZ
Contact:
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#14 » by Warspite » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:49 am

I dont disagree at all. Its just that they want enough from Bledsoe to get Love.
HomoSapien wrote:Warspite, the greatest poster in the history of realgm.
HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 16,779
And1: 11,886
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#15 » by HotelVitale » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:23 am

Warspite wrote:I dont disagree at all. Its just that they want enough from Bledsoe to get Love.


I keep hearing this but why would Love want to go a team that's Dragic and spare parts? Worse than his Minnesota team which he wants to leave because they're so far from contending.

PHX also isn't a very big market, nor is it really close to LA (where rumor mongers keep insisting Love wants to play, though he never said so and grew up in Oregon).
Q00
Banned User
Posts: 6,374
And1: 2,604
Joined: Aug 12, 2010
   

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#16 » by Q00 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:27 am

I don't think Bledsoe is a max player by any means, but if we had to choose between giving the max to Monroe, letting him walk for nothing, or trading him to PHX and giving Bledsoe the max instead, I'd choose option 3.

Fact is money being equal, we have a bigger need for what he provides than what Monroe does, and better to rebuild around a young PG/C combo than two Centers.
Warspite
RealGM
Posts: 13,523
And1: 1,228
Joined: Dec 13, 2003
Location: Surprise AZ
Contact:
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#17 » by Warspite » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:59 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Warspite wrote:I dont disagree at all. Its just that they want enough from Bledsoe to get Love.


I keep hearing this but why would Love want to go a team that's Dragic and spare parts? Worse than his Minnesota team which he wants to leave because they're so far from contending.

PHX also isn't a very big market, nor is it really close to LA (where rumor mongers keep insisting Love wants to play, though he never said so and grew up in Oregon).


This is totaly incorrect. There is no NBA city closer to LA than Phx. It takes longer to drive from Det to Chicago than it does Phx to LA. Driving 300 miles over the desert with a 85mph speed limit is less than 4 hrs for me. Its a 45min flight and one leaves every 90 mins.

Phx is the 6th biggest NBA market. If its not big enough then the league is in real trouble. The Suns are looking at Bledsoe and a Max player. If they trade Bledsoe they can bring in Love and a Max player. You might want to relook at Phx roster. Its not spare parts by any means and they have 3 1st rd picks in 14 and 15.
HomoSapien wrote:Warspite, the greatest poster in the history of realgm.
HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 16,779
And1: 11,886
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#18 » by HotelVitale » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:31 am

Warspite wrote:Phx is the 6th biggest NBA market. If its not big enough then the league is in real trouble.

PHX is the 12th biggest NBA market, 14th if you count the two NY and LA teams. It's only a bit bigger than Minneapolis-St Paul. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Me ... ical_Areas

Warspite wrote:This is totaly incorrect. There is no NBA city closer to LA than Phx. It takes longer to drive from Det to Chicago than it does Phx to LA.

Being a few hundred miles from a place doesn't really help. Would anyone who wants to play in Chicago sign in Detroit because it's 'close enough'? Love's family is in Oregon, and even if he does really want to play in LA (which he's never insisted on), it's not like he's going to be constantly driving 4-5 hours back to LA between games so that he can make friends, meet girls, and go to UCLA games.

Warspite wrote: The Suns are looking at Bledsoe and a Max player. If they trade Bledsoe they can bring in Love and a Max player. You might want to relook at Phx roster. Its not spare parts by any means.

Which max player do you have in mind? I guess if they sign Melo or Lebron then Love would be happy to go there, but there's not much chance of that happening right now. That $15m in cap space this year will likely get them some guys like Ariza, and maybe Gortat back. Those guys plus Dragic, Frye, Plumlee, some mid-level prospects, and the Morris twins don't add up to a much better roster than what's currently in Minnesota. He's said he wants to go to a team that has a real shot of making the finals over the next 2-3 years; going to PHX seems like shaking everything up to have a 50% shot at being the 4th or 5th best team in the west in 2016.
Warspite
RealGM
Posts: 13,523
And1: 1,228
Joined: Dec 13, 2003
Location: Surprise AZ
Contact:
       

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#19 » by Warspite » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:07 am

That Wiki site does not include the 4 million illegals that live in the area. It also does not include the west side of town or Tucson. For the most part the entire state of AZ is a Phx suburb. Maricopa County is the 4th most populace county in the USA and thats without the illegal alliens being counted which is a anywhere between 2-6 million people.

I think you would be surprised how many LA people live in Phx. Most movie stars, rock stars and over half of all retired NBA players live in Scottsdale AZ. Like I said it takes longer to drive from Ann Arbor to Auburn Hills than it does to hop a flight to LAX. Its a longer drive from my Parents old house in Flint to Comerica than it is from my current house to Palm Springs.

I dont know who the Suns are targeting and the whole Bledsoe S&T talk is right out of the blue. I have no idea what their plans are at the moment but Phx is a free agent destination and although you might not be impressed with the Suns young roster I truely wish the Pistons had done so and built a team with with 8 players on rookie deals and 6 1st rd picks in the next 2 drafts.
HomoSapien wrote:Warspite, the greatest poster in the history of realgm.
gaspar
Suns Forum Stat Stuffer
Posts: 6,761
And1: 5,479
Joined: Jun 21, 2009

Re: RFA Eric Bledsoe worth the gamble or even Possible? 

Post#20 » by gaspar » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:24 am

Warspite wrote:The Suns have told Bledsoe that they would entertain a sign and trade to the team of his choosing.

Um... no.

Return to Detroit Pistons