What does your Hornets roster look like?

[BeesWax]

We might have ourselves a new 'MasterIchiro' in 'tonman' that values offense so much to the point that defense is just a mere imaginary talking point. I'm sure you guys must've loved those D'Antoni Suns teams

and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.

No we saw you dump MKG for offense and start Zeller who can't defend at all. Completely switching gears from our current plan to a much worse fitting one.

[JDR720]

and we really need MKG on the team and starting, we need a top defender to guard the other teams best offensive player, we were a completely different team without MKG this past season

[tonman]

Only one of those two guys helps up do that right now and it is Biz. He may not score but he prevents a lot of points from other players too. Zeller right now doesn't score well enough to overcome what he gives up. I would rather you score 6 and give up 2 vs score 12 and give up 16.

your logic is sound except that you assume that the offense is good enough against the opposing team's defense to score enough points or your defense with biz is good enough to prevent the other team's offense to outscore yours.

the reason charlotte played well last season is because they took defense and said you're going to have to beat our defense. but charlotte's not the bad boys of Detroit. those guys could score, they just valued defense more. we're not at that level. bring in players who are have the offensive skills and who will work within a team defensive scheme and you will see that you are not losing much on the defense and gaining offensive execution and flexibility.

there's no reason biz should be let go but to make him a starter on an offensively challenged team is not going to make charlotte better.

flexibility is key that's why I like the vonley and hairston draft. vonley can play the 4/5 and can play low or high post. hairston is a big guard that can shoot, 2 way player who can play the 2/3 position.

we need to lock into the top 8 player rotation. anyone after that can be a specialized role player or future development project.

1. PG - walker fills the role but is undersized. prefer a bigger backup that can get to the rim, run the 2nd unit.
2. SG - brought in hairston as a big SG with range. gives roster flexibility in moving hendo/mkg/neal/taylor.
3. SF - see above.
4. PF - if mcbob stays you have your vet playmaking big who can stretch the floor and with zeller/vonleh covers the position. if mcbob goes, you have youth.
5. C - Jefferson maintains the position. no issues with biz as backup but now you need scoring from your 4 to offset lack of post scoring when biz is in.

that's why I kinda like the parsons/lin combo. they bring in offense but not as good defense but now you can start justifying having a biz in the lineup or an mkg if he's not dealt.

PG - kemba 6'1, lin 6'3
SG - <vet>, hairston 6'6
SF - parsons 6'9, <backup>
PF - zeller 7'10, vonley 6'10
C - Jefferson 6'10, biz 6'9

vet = hendo or neal
backup = mkg or taylor
depending on how parsons/lin would be acquired.

but you see with lin and hairston as the backcourt "2nd team", you've got offense off the bench. just work the rotation and you've got offense as well as defense especially if mkg is kept. if you think playing biz at the 4 alongside Jefferson helps, sobeit. but the key is flexibility and zeller/vonleh provides that so you can do that. you could even slide parsons to the 4 for times so you can have a 3 guard lineup.

Now that is a Zeller I could get behind.

In all seriousness though that team can't defend a rec league team. We still need a starting PF and if you traded MKG to land Parsons we need a new wing defender of some quality because we have become a sieve.

yes we would need a starting PF but the issue is are you going to play the youngsters or not? biz averaged 14 mpg last season.

[mrknowitall215]

We might have ourselves a new 'MasterIchiro' in 'tonman' that values offense so much to the point that defense is just a mere imaginary talking point. I'm sure you guys must've loved those D'Antoni Suns teams

and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.

I read your posts perfectly clear, but I'm unsure if you comprehended mine. I was previously trying to make a case for Biyombo over Zeller as immediate backup C to Jefferson off the bench when I read your comment that maybe wasn't gear towards me but it felt like it was, when you followed up behind one of my post with...

because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

[tonman]

We might have ourselves a new 'MasterIchiro' in 'tonman' that values offense so much to the point that defense is just a mere imaginary talking point. I'm sure you guys must've loved those D'Antoni Suns teams

and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.

No we saw you dump MKG for offense and start Zeller who can't defend at all. Completely switching gears from our current plan to a much worse fitting one.

then bring in a freaking PF, we already have zeller and vonleh. start vonleh then. if you want start biz and let him play his 14 mpg as last season or is he ready to play 30 mpg? I mean its only been 3 years right he should be ready to take the next step. we have 4 bigs not counting mcbob. you giving up on zeller now?

play mkg at starting guard then.

look at the boxscores when charlotte played Houston. besides howard and possibly Beverley and asik, who else is "great" defensively? and yet charlotte shot 37% in game 2 and 19% from three AT home. game 1 37% again for charlotte. you are not going to win against top teams without an offense. the rockets, despite howard, are simply not known for their team defense and yet charlotte struggled against them.

[BeesWax]

and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.

No we saw you dump MKG for offense and start Zeller who can't defend at all. Completely switching gears from our current plan to a much worse fitting one.

then bring in a freaking PF, we already have zeller and vonleh. start vonleh then. if you want start biz and let him play his 14 mpg as last season or is he ready to play 30 mpg? I mean its only been 3 years right he should be ready to take the next step. we have 4 bigs not counting mcbob. you giving up on zeller now?

play mkg at starting guard then.

look at the boxscores when charlotte played Houston. besides howard and possibly Beverley and asik, who else is "great" defensively? and yet charlotte shot 37% in game 2 and 19% from three AT home. game 1 37% again for charlotte. you are not going to win against top teams without an offense. the rockets, despite howard, are simply not known for their team defense and yet charlotte struggled against them.

But Howard does defend our key player so that hurts us against them. Listen I am not saying we were a good offensive team that did not need to improve just that we don't need to throw away our defense to get there. I would have started MKG but you implied you might have traded him away for Parsons. Also Parsons went 3-11 against MKG in the second game last season. The team you listed is a terrible step backwards from where we were this year. If you had a plan to fix it great but I am going of what you posted and it was not good.

[tonman]

We might have ourselves a new 'MasterIchiro' in 'tonman' that values offense so much to the point that defense is just a mere imaginary talking point. I'm sure you guys must've loved those D'Antoni Suns teams

and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.

I read your posts perfectly clear, but I'm unsure if you comprehended mine. I was previously trying to make a case for Biyombo over Zeller as immediate backup C to Jefferson off the bench when I read your comment that maybe wasn't gear towards me but it felt like it was, when you followed up behind one of my post with...

because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

which is still true regardless of how you create your team. but looking at charlotte's performance last season, I think some additional offense is needed. so how are you going to improve that? just bringing in Stephenson? seriously. you have the backup PG spot to help and one of the 2/3 spots. the 4 spot was a bit of a mess as we don't know what we're going to do with mcbob and if you're playing biz at the 5, that means you have zeller and vonleh in that rotation at the 4. that's why I left off mcbob as either you play the youngsters or you move one of them if you keep mcbob or bring in a vet. or one of them will be the fifth wheel and maybe not get in a game at all for a week at a time.

[MasterIchiro]

because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

Only one of those two guys helps up do that right now and it is Biz. He may not score but he prevents a lot of points from other players too. Zeller right now doesn't score well enough to overcome what he gives up. I would rather you score 6 and give up 2 vs score 12 and give up 16.

your logic is sound except that you assume that the offense is good enough against the opposing team's defense to score enough points or your defense with biz is good enough to prevent the other team's offense to outscore yours.

the reason charlotte played well last season is because they took defense and said you're going to have to beat our defense. but charlotte's not the bad boys of Detroit. those guys could score, they just valued defense more. we're not at that level. bring in players who are have the offensive skills and who will work within a team defensive scheme and you will see that you are not losing much on the defense and gaining offensive execution and flexibility.

there's no reason biz should be let go but to make him a starter on an offensively challenged team is not going to make charlotte better.

flexibility is key that's why I like the vonley and hairston draft. vonley can play the 4/5 and can play low or high post. hairston is a big guard that can shoot, 2 way player who can play the 2/3 position.

we need to lock into the top 8 player rotation. anyone after that can be a specialized role player or future development project.

1. PG - walker fills the role but is undersized. prefer a bigger backup that can get to the rim, run the 2nd unit.
2. SG - brought in hairston as a big SG with range. gives roster flexibility in moving hendo/mkg/neal/taylor.
3. SF - see above.
4. PF - if mcbob stays you have your vet playmaking big who can stretch the floor and with zeller/vonleh covers the position. if mcbob goes, you have youth.
5. C - Jefferson maintains the position. no issues with biz as backup but now you need scoring from your 4 to offset lack of post scoring when biz is in.

that's why I kinda like the parsons/lin combo. they bring in offense but not as good defense but now you can start justifying having a biz in the lineup or an mkg if he's not dealt.

PG - kemba 6'1, lin 6'3
SG - <vet>, hairston 6'6
SF - parsons 6'9, <backup>
PF - zeller 7'10, vonley 6'10
C - Jefferson 6'10, biz 6'9

vet = hendo or neal
backup = mkg or taylor
depending on how parsons/lin would be acquired.

but you see with lin and hairston as the backcourt "2nd team", you've got offense off the bench. just work the rotation and you've got offense as well as defense especially if mkg is kept. if you think playing biz at the 4 alongside Jefferson helps, sobeit. but the key is flexibility and zeller/vonleh provides that so you can do that. you could even slide parsons to the 4 for times so you can have a 3 guard lineup.

I'm becoming swayed by your route as opposed to the Lance path, and Sorenson agrees and I dig Sorenson's material. He wanted to draft Stauskas as well. Now his primary FA target is Parsons.

I didn't realize Parsons averaged 4 assists last year as well. Hayward is the better playmaker but I think would cost more than Parsons because salary cap is not the same issue for the Jazz as it will be for the Rockets considering their pursuit of Melo. Parsons is the better shooter as well. Both have experience in an inside/out offense so it comes down to price. If Lin makes Parsons cheaper in a sign & trade then I'm all for it. Lin is an excellent ballhandler and has a really high IQ and I love his ability to penetrate the lane.

I'm sensing the Hornets are not ready to cut ties with McRoberts even though they could pull it off if Cody continues along his 2nd half progression line and if Vonleh can give valuable minutes as a rookie.

If the Rockets were to ask for Biyombo (to replace Asik) I wouldn't hesitate. I believe Biyombo is on the way out anyways. And I don't mind keeping MKG as the backup SF at around 20 minutes/game.

The Hornets biggest problem last year on offense was that 3 starters weren't really starter material on a contender and I don't want to settle for that much longer.

[Liver_Pooty]

Only one of those two guys helps up do that right now and it is Biz. He may not score but he prevents a lot of points from other players too. Zeller right now doesn't score well enough to overcome what he gives up. I would rather you score 6 and give up 2 vs score 12 and give up 16.

your logic is sound except that you assume that the offense is good enough against the opposing team's defense to score enough points or your defense with biz is good enough to prevent the other team's offense to outscore yours.

the reason charlotte played well last season is because they took defense and said you're going to have to beat our defense. but charlotte's not the bad boys of Detroit. those guys could score, they just valued defense more. we're not at that level. bring in players who are have the offensive skills and who will work within a team defensive scheme and you will see that you are not losing much on the defense and gaining offensive execution and flexibility.

there's no reason biz should be let go but to make him a starter on an offensively challenged team is not going to make charlotte better.

flexibility is key that's why I like the vonley and hairston draft. vonley can play the 4/5 and can play low or high post. hairston is a big guard that can shoot, 2 way player who can play the 2/3 position.

we need to lock into the top 8 player rotation. anyone after that can be a specialized role player or future development project.

1. PG - walker fills the role but is undersized. prefer a bigger backup that can get to the rim, run the 2nd unit.
2. SG - brought in hairston as a big SG with range. gives roster flexibility in moving hendo/mkg/neal/taylor.
3. SF - see above.
4. PF - if mcbob stays you have your vet playmaking big who can stretch the floor and with zeller/vonleh covers the position. if mcbob goes, you have youth.
5. C - Jefferson maintains the position. no issues with biz as backup but now you need scoring from your 4 to offset lack of post scoring when biz is in.

that's why I kinda like the parsons/lin combo. they bring in offense but not as good defense but now you can start justifying having a biz in the lineup or an mkg if he's not dealt.

PG - kemba 6'1, lin 6'3
SG - <vet>, hairston 6'6
SF - parsons 6'9, <backup>
PF - zeller 7'10, vonley 6'10
C - Jefferson 6'10, biz 6'9

vet = hendo or neal
backup = mkg or taylor
depending on how parsons/lin would be acquired.

but you see with lin and hairston as the backcourt "2nd team", you've got offense off the bench. just work the rotation and you've got offense as well as defense especially if mkg is kept. if you think playing biz at the 4 alongside Jefferson helps, sobeit. but the key is flexibility and zeller/vonleh provides that so you can do that. you could even slide parsons to the 4 for times so you can have a 3 guard lineup.

I'm becoming swayed by your route as opposed to the Lance path, and Sorenson agrees and I dig Sorenson's material. He wanted to draft Stauskas as well. Now his primary FA target is Parsons.

I didn't realize Parsons averaged 4 assists last year as well. Hayward is the better playmaker but I think would cost more than Parsons because salary cap is not the same issue for the Jazz as it will be for the Rockets considering their pursuit of Melo. Parsons is the better shooter as well. Both have experience in an inside/out offense so it comes down to price. If Lin makes Parsons cheaper in a sign & trade then I'm all for it. Lin is an excellent ballhandler and has a really high IQ and I love his ability to penetrate the lane.

I'm sensing the Hornets are not ready to cut ties with McRoberts even though they could pull it off if Cody continues along his 2nd half progression line and if Vonleh can give valuable minutes as a rookie.

If the Rockets were to ask for Biyombo (to replace Asik) I wouldn't hesitate. I believe Biyombo is on the way out anyways. And I don't mind keeping MKG as the backup SF at around 20 minutes/game.

The Hornets biggest problem last year on offense was that 3 starters weren't really starter material on a contender and I don't want to settle for that much longer.

I've been on the Parsons bandwagon for months, about time you guys hop on. He would be an incredible fit for this team.

[mrknowitall215]

and you just didn't bother to read my posts. you need both offense and defense to win. what do you want, the 8th seed year in and year out? did I dump biz in my lineup? I guess there's a lot of FA's lining up to come play for the hornets. the idea is flexibility but of course you just ignored that point altogether.

I read your posts perfectly clear, but I'm unsure if you comprehended mine. I was previously trying to make a case for Biyombo over Zeller as immediate backup C to Jefferson off the bench when I read your comment that maybe wasn't gear towards me but it felt like it was, when you followed up behind one of my post with...

because at the end of the day you still have to outscore your opponents to win the game.

which is still true regardless of how you create your team. but looking at charlotte's performance last season, I think some additional offense is needed. so how are you going to improve that? just bringing in Stephenson? seriously. you have the backup PG spot to help and one of the 2/3 spots. the 4 spot was a bit of a mess as we don't know what we're going to do with mcbob and if you're playing biz at the 5, that means you have zeller and vonleh in that rotation at the 4. that's why I left off mcbob as either you play the youngsters or you move one of them if you keep mcbob or bring in a vet. or one of them will be the fifth wheel and maybe not get in a game at all for a week at a time.

If you think my equation was just bringing in Stephenson then you overlooked everything. This team need to add quality depth at each position whereas the reserve is possibly just as good as the starter(s). Depth was this team's biggest weakness last year. The starters were as good as any starting unit in the league, and scored at a above average rate/efficiency, but you probably wouldn't know that based on your post. If the bench wasn't such a weakness between Luke Ridnour, Jeff Taylor, Gary Neal, and Cody Zeller, this team would've fared a lot better than they did. I wouldn't blame the entire bench because Anthony Tolliver, Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Bismack Biyombo had very serviceable seasons

[Liver_Pooty]

Im not going to post my roster. I just think we need to add in talent, I dont care what the position is, especially at the SG and SF position.

[MasterIchiro]

Im not going to post my roster. I just think we need to add in talent, I dont care what the position is, especially at the SG and SF position.

You should not utter such words in the MKG love dome.

[Liver_Pooty]

Im not going to post my roster. I just think we need to add in talent, I dont care what the position is, especially at the SG and SF position.

You should not utter such words in the MKG love dome.

Lol, well if we sign Parsons he definitely wont come off the bench thats for damn sure. Unless MKG totally gets his shot together, which according to report hes on his way of doing.

[MasterIchiro]

I will say what I do like about Hayward is his ability to play SG + SF would allow the front office to save face on Henderson (unnecessary contract terms) and MKG (reach at 2, lack of development of his shot), creating situational advantages for Henderson to shine in cherry picked matchups as well as MKG. You can shift Hayward around with ease and adjust minutes to Henderson + MKG according to the situation. If only the Henderson + 24 for Afflalo proposal went through...

I will say boldly, Hayward is their #1 target. Like I said, although he likes Utah, he played alongside Al and may want to win and compete against the best through the duration of his first big contract. I would think Al Jefferson is courting this guy hard, jonesing for his floor spacing abilities.

Afflalo could have been a hedge. The Jazz can easily match (Hayward's their franchise guy) and extort more value than Henderson + 24.

It will be interesting.

[MasterIchiro]

Im not going to post my roster. I just think we need to add in talent, I dont care what the position is, especially at the SG and SF position.

You should not utter such words in the MKG love dome.

Lol, well if we sign Parsons he definitely wont come off the bench thats for damn sure. Unless MKG totally gets his shot together, which according to report hes on his way of doing.

That's much better. Go softly now into the night.

[Liver_Pooty]

You should not utter such words in the MKG love dome.

Lol, well if we sign Parsons he definitely wont come off the bench thats for damn sure. Unless MKG totally gets his shot together, which according to report hes on his way of doing.

That's much better. Go softly now into the night.

Lol, I give all of our players much due criticism. Parsons is better than MKG, a wet fart is better than Biyombo, Zeller was below average, Kemba was inefficient, Jefferson was spectacular, and McRoberts is severely underrated on this board.

Henderson is so damn average at everything he does im just kind of like "eh"

[StitchJones]

Ok I will give this a go.

Resign McRoberts on a two year contract.

Sign Shaun Livingston to play backup point. I like him as a distributor who can get the other guys involved.

Sign Lance Stephenson. I know, I know. Some people don't like his antics and personality, and I will admit you are taking a chance with team chemistry, but the ability to be exactly what this team needs on the court convinces me we have to take this chance. Lance is just 23 years old. He's a borderline allstar already with room to improve. He has good size at 6-5, can handle the ball, rebound, and is a willing passer. He's also an improved three point shooter who increased his percentage every year. Lastly what I really like about him is that he competes. Say what you want but he and David West were the only two pacers who I felt truly brought it each game against the Heat in the playoffs. My hope is that we make him something like a 3 year 24 million dollar offer with a team option for a 4th year. I really believe our locker room can handle one (character), and I believe his intensity on the court will rub off on our guys in a positive way. This would give us a great YOUNG core that can already make the playoffs yet still has a ton of room to grow and improve. With this move I'm hoping we can find a trade partner for Henderson. I'd trade him for peanuts just to get him off the books.


PG - Kemba Livingston
SG - Stephenson, Hairston, Neal
SF - MKG, Taylor, Tolliver, Hairston(from time to time)
PF - McRoberts, Zeller, Vonleh
C - Al, Biyambo, Zeller (also from time to time)

Look at the ages of our core with this lineup outside of Al:

Kemba -24, Stephenson, - 23 Hairston - 21, MKG - 20, Zeller - 21, Vonleh 19, - Biz - 21

That's 7 guys with an average age of 21.

[StitchJones]

I will say what I do like about Hayward is his ability to play SG + SF would allow the front office to save face on Henderson (unnecessary contract terms) and MKG (reach at 2, lack of development of his shot), creating situational advantages for Henderson to shine in cherry picked matchups as well as MKG. You can shift Hayward around with ease and adjust minutes to Henderson + MKG according to the situation. If only the Henderson + 24 for Afflalo proposal went through...

I will say boldly, Hayward is their #1 target. Like I said, although he likes Utah, he played alongside Al and may want to win and compete against the best through the duration of his first big contract. I would think Al Jefferson is courting this guy hard, jonesing for his floor spacing abilities.

Afflalo could have been a hedge. The Jazz can easily match (Hayward's their franchise guy) and extort more value than Henderson + 24.

It will be interesting.

I really hope we don't sign Hayward. He's just not the shooter/floor spacer that everyone says he is. just looks at those percentages. They are horrible. his best statistical year was his rookie year when he played 16 minutes a game. Since then his game just has not translated. I think he would be the same player here that he has been in Utah the last 3 years. Give me Stephenson. He showed what he could do playing 35 minutes a game. he also proved he could do it in the playoffs when it mattered.

[Diop]

Eric Gordon has a player option for the 15/16 year, so next year might be the last of that monstrous contract.

if we strike out on all other wings, would you consider trading for him?

Use our cap space to trade Hendo for him?

[Liver_Pooty]

Eric Gordon has a player option for the 15/16 year, so next year might be the last of that monstrous contract.

if we strike out on all other wings, would you consider trading for him?

Use our cap space to trade Hendo for him?

Lol oh hes definitely picking up that option. I pass.