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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#21 » by De8 » Fri May 30, 2014 2:07 am

therealbig3 wrote:Just like any other superstar, Curry's bad games are very few and far between. It doesn't make sense to focus on his bad games all that much, because he doesn't have a lot of them.

OTOH, bad games are the norm for Deron at this point. That's why they're focused on more with him.

Curry overall had his 2nd straight monster playoffs. Deron had his 2nd straight disappearing act in the playoffs.

This thread just needs to die. It's an embarrassing comparison.

i wouldnt say his last playoffs was a disappearing act... 20 & 8 vs the bulls is not bad at all.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#22 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 30, 2014 1:07 pm

That 20 and 8 was misleading. Deron was punked by the Chicago guards and Robinson all but destroyed him at the end of that series

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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#23 » by nurseryc » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:26 am

drat456 wrote:My friend said he would take deron williams I said steph. What do you guys think?


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Post#24 » by MotownMadness » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:43 am

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Post#25 » by DusterBuster » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:09 am

I had to do a double take on this post to see when it was posted. I thought maybe it was a thread from 2010 that was dug up from the dead as a joke.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#26 » by ReturnofMVP3 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:50 pm

At this time it's curry hands down.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#27 » by Prokorov » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:53 pm

Nets fans do NOT think this is a serious question. OP is not a nets fan. this is a proposterous question as dwill was at best average last season and nowhere near curry
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#28 » by Bro Johnson » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:47 pm

At this point in time Curry is the better player, and it's unlikely that ends up changing.

Don't get me wrong, Deron prior to the ankle injuries was much better than Curry, and while only a fool believes that he won't rebound from last year's dismal performance - it would also be equally as foolish to deny the fact that injuries have taken their toll on Deron Williams' ability to consistently play at an elite level.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#29 » by realfung » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:48 pm

Curry for now and future. Maybe DWill when Curry was 8 years old.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#30 » by brick_wall_55 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 6:38 pm

Bro Johnson wrote:At this point in time Curry is the better player, and it's unlikely that ends up changing.

Don't get me wrong, Deron prior to the ankle injuries was much better than Curry, and while only a fool believes that he won't rebound from last year's dismal performance - it would also be equally as foolish to deny the fact that injuries have taken their toll on Deron Williams' ability to consistently play at an elite level.


Only a fool believes he won't rebound from last year? To what extent? He will never have another top 10 season as a point guard even in the best case scenario.
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Post#31 » by Prokorov » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:05 pm

Bro Johnson wrote:At this point in time Curry is the better player, and it's unlikely that ends up changing.

Don't get me wrong, Deron prior to the ankle injuries was much better than Curry, and while only a fool believes that he won't rebound from last year's dismal performance - it would also be equally as foolish to deny the fact that injuries have taken their toll on Deron Williams' ability to consistently play at an elite level.


why would anyone expect a 30 year old coming off double ankle surgery to bounce back? there is a strong chance he is worse
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#32 » by therealbig3 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 7:12 pm

Bro Johnson wrote:At this point in time Curry is the better player, and it's unlikely that ends up changing.

Don't get me wrong, Deron prior to the ankle injuries was much better than Curry, and while only a fool believes that he won't rebound from last year's dismal performance - it would also be equally as foolish to deny the fact that injuries have taken their toll on Deron Williams' ability to consistently play at an elite level.


There's really no evidence that Deron was better than Curry even when he was at the peak of his career, let alone much better. At best, it's highly debatable, but I actually feel like Curry is clearly better than Deron ever was.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#33 » by jeff1624 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 8:25 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
Bro Johnson wrote:At this point in time Curry is the better player, and it's unlikely that ends up changing.

Don't get me wrong, Deron prior to the ankle injuries was much better than Curry, and while only a fool believes that he won't rebound from last year's dismal performance - it would also be equally as foolish to deny the fact that injuries have taken their toll on Deron Williams' ability to consistently play at an elite level.


There's really no evidence that Deron was better than Curry even when he was at the peak of his career, let alone much better. At best, it's highly debatable, but I actually feel like Curry is clearly better than Deron ever was.



I disagree. While I wouldn't say Deron was MUCH better, I do think his peak was higher than Current Steph. While Steph is the better scorer, Deron was a much better distributor and took care of the ball better while doing so. He was also solid/good defensively while Steph is pretty terrible on that end and is routinely hidden behind Igoudala and Thompsons ability to defend top tier PG's. Deron actually got to the western Conference finals with Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur and Kirilenko. All good players, but not better than what Curry is working with.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#34 » by therealbig3 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 11:37 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:
Bro Johnson wrote:At this point in time Curry is the better player, and it's unlikely that ends up changing.

Don't get me wrong, Deron prior to the ankle injuries was much better than Curry, and while only a fool believes that he won't rebound from last year's dismal performance - it would also be equally as foolish to deny the fact that injuries have taken their toll on Deron Williams' ability to consistently play at an elite level.


There's really no evidence that Deron was better than Curry even when he was at the peak of his career, let alone much better. At best, it's highly debatable, but I actually feel like Curry is clearly better than Deron ever was.



I disagree. While I wouldn't say Deron was MUCH better, I do think his peak was higher than Current Steph. While Steph is the better scorer, Deron was a much better distributor and took care of the ball better while doing so. He was also solid/good defensively while Steph is pretty terrible on that end and is routinely hidden behind Igoudala and Thompsons ability to defend top tier PG's. Deron actually got to the western Conference finals with Carlos Boozer, Mehmet Okur and Kirilenko. All good players, but not better than what Curry is working with.


I don't see the evidence that Curry is worse defensively (Deron was never considered all that great of a defender himself), nor do I see the evidence that Curry was a worse distributor. Deron was pretty TO-prone himself.

If you compare 2014 Curry to 2010 Deron (his last year in Utah) on a per 36 basis:

Curry: 23.7 ppg, 8.4 apg, 3.7 TOpg, 61.0% TS, 117 ORating, 24.1 PER

Deron: 18.2 ppg, 10.3 apg, 3.2 TOpg, 57.4% TS, 116 ORating, 20.6 PER

And in terms of on/off, Deron was +7.3 in 2010...Curry in 2014 was +14.9. Okur, Boozer, and Kirilenko were all All-Star caliber players in Utah as well. AND, Deron also had Millsap off the bench. I don't think Curry had as good of a team, especially since instead of Jerry Sloan as a coach, he had Mark Jackson. The on/off shows that the Warriors depended more on Curry than the Jazz did on Deron, and Sloan is a WAY better coach than Jackson.

Curry is just a clearly better offensive player than peak Deron, as there's negligible difference in their passing or court vision (and Sloan's system inflates assists), and he's a much better scorer, whose shooting ability allows him to put far more pressure on a defense than Deron. Defensively, even if Deron had the edge...it's a negligible advantage, because Deron was never that good of a defender, and his overall impact on defense was very small in general.
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Re: So serious question who would you take D-will or steph c 

Post#35 » by therealbig3 » Fri Jul 4, 2014 11:40 pm

Also, the Jazz only made it to the WCF, because the Mavs choked and lost to the Warriors...the Jazz would have been crushed if they faced the Mavs that year, but instead, they got a pretty average Warriors team.

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