Raptors Draft Bruno Caboclo (DX Scouting Video on Pg. 1)

[mtcan]

He reminds me a little of the PF version of Drummond. At least as far as his ball handling goes. The kid is clearly a better shooter, looks like he will be very good at the rim, shows a ton of defensive potential.

My only gripe is he doesn't fill a position of need now.

I probably would have been overjoyed if we landed Ennis at 20 and this kid at 22 (as was the rumored plan).

He's a small forward who's tall and long enough to defend the Durants and Lebrons of the league. That's a need, right?

[JVHOF]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3LQRUMLurA[/youtube]

Needs to tuck his elbow in more when he shoots imo

Cool video though

just viewed this video.. doing rounds on twitter now.. hope there is more footage.. he seems really nervous.. missed a FT.. and a 3ptr.. cant wait for the summer league..!

[Yeezus]

get big, work on laterals (defensive purposes), ball handling and jumpshot beyond the arc then we have durant 2.0

[akakalakin]

dare the yes camp to do a weekly poll

[Kenyon009]

get big, work on laterals (defensive purposes), ball handling and jumpshot beyond the arc then we have durant 2.0

That's what my goals would be for him. If he could include ball handling that be great, I don't want him to get massive since thin players do good in this era of flopping. Realistically I see him averaging 5 points with about 3 rebounds a game max in his rookie season. Ten years down the road I could see him being really good with his tools. If he develops a post game, elite 3 point shot, and drive to the rim. I would expect him to be a 20 point guy on high efficiency with the ability to anchor a whole defense from the 3 spot, due to his quickness and athleticism.

His potential is anywhere where we want it to be... He could end up being a future 4 or even 5 depending on how he is brought in and what works best for him. The maximal potential of his could be brought up at the 3 in my opinion. If he post up 3s and works on his strength to back them down decently. His hook shot would literally be unstoppable with his mutant wing span.

[DrCoach]

Build-wise and coming from a random scrub league, Bruno compares to Giannis. But Gianni's was a much better prospect. Had a good handle, more agile, better leaping ability, grab the D board and went coast to coast and finished. I don't expect Bruno's handle to be anywhere near as good as Gianni's. They were the same age when drafted.

No, Gianni's had the same criticisms

He played against HSers

He wasn't an elite athlete

But Caboclo's handle is non-existent (minus one nice play from the 3 pt line). Gianni's and he shared many of the same criticisms, yes, but Gianni's had a much better handle when drafted.

You can't say he doesn't have a handle and in the same sentence you say he DID have a nice more. You are reaching a rom especially off of one video

[Tortiglioni]

From Mitch Lawrence:

Try finding a GM who thinks that Toronto made a good move by taking Bruno Caboclo with the 20th pick. It’s virtually impossible. It’s not that scouts didn’t know about Caboclo, a 6-9 Brazilian forward. “Don’t even know if he’s a second-rounder,” said one personnel man who studied Caboclo on tape.

[ATLTimekeeper]

From Mitch Lawrence:

Try finding a GM who thinks that Toronto made a good move by taking Bruno Caboclo with the 20th pick. It’s virtually impossible. It’s not that scouts didn’t know about Caboclo, a 6-9 Brazilian forward. “Don’t even know if he’s a second-rounder,” said one personnel man who studied Caboclo on tape.

So basically confirming that Ujiri is working harder than most of the NBA. Love it.

[Volcano]

one of the best things is that he's intelligent and isn't immature like Gerald Green/Javale McGee..having a good head on his shoulders goes a long way in terms of development

[Watchlist]

For those booing at this pick. I agree , they should have picked him up in the 2nd round

http://youtu.be/NnPnj7h5cmQ

http://youtu.be/afpvJHeMYgw

http://youtu.be/uxxHF6RdM7o

[RaptorJ]

From Mitch Lawrence:

Try finding a GM who thinks that Toronto made a good move by taking Bruno Caboclo with the 20th pick. It’s virtually impossible. It’s not that scouts didn’t know about Caboclo, a 6-9 Brazilian forward. “Don’t even know if he’s a second-rounder,” said one personnel man who studied Caboclo on tape.

And 29 other GMs passed on Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili was picked late 50s. This whole "well other GMs didn't pick him so he's obviously bad" is fail reasoning. Every single year there are players picked who nobody thought would be good and yet they make an impact in the NBA.

In 2011 alone for example, Isaiah Thomas picked 60th overall, Chandler Parsons picked 38th, Jimmy Butler 30th, Kenneth Farried 20th, Kawhi Leonard 15th, Klay Thompson 11, etc. Then you have Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter, Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo, Jimmer Fredette and Brandon Knight all selected in the top 10. I mean come on. Yet not a single GM would have criticized the T-Wolves for taking Derrick Williams at #2.

Mitch Lawrence is a **** ****. Just wanted to add that.

[tdotboyy]

timberwolves drafted rubio and then flynn back to back
2 point guards
they could've just drafted curry and demar and still have love
what a joke of a franchise

[Tortiglioni]

From Mitch Lawrence:

Try finding a GM who thinks that Toronto made a good move by taking Bruno Caboclo with the 20th pick. It’s virtually impossible. It’s not that scouts didn’t know about Caboclo, a 6-9 Brazilian forward. “Don’t even know if he’s a second-rounder,” said one personnel man who studied Caboclo on tape.

So basically confirming that Ujiri is working harder than most of the NBA. Love it.

Yeah, along with the fact that there is probably a 99% chance he would have been there at #37.

But what bothers me most is Masai's changed tone regarding the #20 pick. Since being hired, Masai has continually stressed the value of draft picks and (in obvious reference to Colangelo) has emphasized the necessity of not wasting/throwing away said picks. Now, after selecting Bruno at #20, he has been harping on about how it is only the 20th pick and if Bruno doesn't pan out, well, you can't really expect much from #20 anyway. While I am excited to follow Bruno's development (or lack thereof), I think Masai became a bit too invested (emotionally) in Bruno, leading to an irrational selection at #20.

[bigscrims]

From Mitch Lawrence:

Try finding a GM who thinks that Toronto made a good move by taking Bruno Caboclo with the 20th pick. It’s virtually impossible. It’s not that scouts didn’t know about Caboclo, a 6-9 Brazilian forward. “Don’t even know if he’s a second-rounder,” said one personnel man who studied Caboclo on tape.

Don't know how much stock to really put into anything Lawrence says. From the same article...

Tell me again how Orlando traded Aaron Afflalo to Denver and got back Evan Fornier (who?) and a second-round pick.

C'mon now....Fournier didn't have a great season, but he's not a totally unknown asset.

The Hawks might not have to worry about deciding whether they should finish in eighth place anymore. Drafting Michigan State center Adreian Payne will allow them to put Al Horford back at his natural power forward spot.

I'm sure that Payne can play C in some lineups, but he's pretty much universally regarded as a PF.

Or maybe I'm just hoping he's clueless...because he says this later...

Once the Heat gets Kyle Lowry in free agency, then LeBron James just has to find a player or two with size and the Heat will be on its way to nailing down its fifth straight Eastern Conference crown. Adding Toronto’s guard and getting Shabazz Napier is already an upgrade over Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole. ...

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah, along with the fact that there is probably a 99% chance he would have been there at #37.

But what bothers me most is Masai's changed tone regarding the #20 pick. Since being hired, Masai has continually stressed the value of draft picks and (in obvious reference to Colangelo) has emphasized the necessity of not wasting/throwing away said picks. Now, after selecting Bruno at #20, he has been harping on about how it is only the 20th pick and if Bruno doesn't pan out, well, you can't really expect much from #20 anyway. While I am excited to follow Bruno's development (or lack thereof), I think Masai became a bit too invested (emotionally) in Bruno, leading to an irrational selection at #20.

No, you've misunderstood. He's talking about the point of a risk/reward pick in a range where most players don't even crack a rotation. If he didn't value the pick, he wouldn't have travelled to Brazil 3 times to see a kid that didn't declare for the draft until late April. The rest of the league risk looking foolish for not doing their homework, while Ujiri looks foolish for not following consensus. Ujiri's been mostly successful in his NBA career. He gets the benefit of the doubt here, not whomever some New York hack is talking to.

[RaptorJ]

Shabazz Napier already better than Chalmers or Cole? Lol.

[Volcano]

Yeah, along with the fact that there is probably a 99% chance he would have been there at #37.

That's not a fact and it's getting annoying how fans who have no clue are proclaiming they know what's going on in every management drafting between 20 and 37.

It only takes one team with the same mindset to take a chance on drafting Bruno in the late 1st/early 2nd. Phoenix already picked twice, so they could afford to go with a risky, high upside pick. With Barbosa in their ear, it's completely possible that they'd go for Bruno at #27. They certainly weren't going to get him at #50.

Same with Utah. They already had their safe pick and could easily go for the high upside pick. They also pick at #35, which is before us..in which case, if they did have interest, he's gone for good.

Both teams were rumoured to go after Bruno by a media member and the Raptors management felt like that it was a possibility another team was going to get him before #37. I'd take their word for it over some realgm fan.

[Double Bubble]

Do people realize that drafting and developing a prospect for your system is a tiny bit more complicated than picking a guy that's not a reach and always a steal? Is that the only concept that matters? Seriously, people seriously think it's that simple.

Well first of all this kid is absolutely adorable. Second it looks like he can play and staff have their work cut out for them, I'm looking forward to seeing what he's got.

[hankscorpioLA]

From Mitch Lawrence:

Try finding a GM who thinks that Toronto made a good move by taking Bruno Caboclo with the 20th pick. It’s virtually impossible. It’s not that scouts didn’t know about Caboclo, a 6-9 Brazilian forward. “Don’t even know if he’s a second-rounder,” said one personnel man who studied Caboclo on tape.

You find me a GM who actually went and watched him play and I will listen to that GM.

[hankscorpioLA]

Yeah, along with the fact that there is probably a 99% chance he would have been there at #37.

The only info we have at the moment suggests he would not have been there at 37.