do you feel the rebuild was cut too short?

KI-DW-TT-AB · Post #1 » by **KI-DW-TT-AB** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:43 am

By rebuild I mean tank.

I know Charlotte has been losing for a long time so you feel as it's time to learn how it feels like to win, BUT.

You only been losing with a purpose for 3 years before signing Big Al, & I feel like just had your best pick up to date (Vonleh), and while you had 5 top 10 picks only 2 were in top 5.

The drafting wasn't bad at all, there just wasn't much available, 2011 draft had very little dept but Kemba's balling & Bismack definetly fills a niche even though to my understanding you're no longer crazy about him. Perkins has been a starter in the league for 9 years now.

MKG is the only questionable pick, but he's still not the Minnesota type out the league type of pick, still is a top 10 player from his draft. But every team that does this blows a pick or 2, even OKC (Jeff Green, Cole Aldrich), so it's not that big of a deal.

The team will be playing for HCA in the first round next year, but it just feels like something is missing, that ONE player that kind of shapes the team's identity

KembaWalker · Post #2 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:03 pm

like you said, we might have just had our best pick to date and it had absolutely nothing to do with our teams performance, but rather our cap flexibility. as long we don't blow our load on mega contracts for non mega talent we will have the ability to get into any draft. We've got 2 years left with Al and by the time his contract is up we will have had a good period of time to see how our youth has panned out and a bunch more money to spend

Elden Payton · Post #3 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:38 pm

People seriously don't understand that we're still (re)building.

We have youth, cap space and a clear vision.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)

I'm disappointed we didn't go one more year but I'm glad we've experienced some relative success in the interim while we build a platform for further success.

People who call us a treadmill team don't understand what the definition of treadmill is.

DY_nasty · Post #4 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:49 pm

Sik Infant wrote:People seriously don't understand that we're still (re)building.

We have youth, cap space and a clear vision.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)

I'm disappointed we didn't go one more year but I'm glad we've experienced some relative success in the interim while we build a platform for further success.

People who call us a treadmill team don't understand what the definition of treadmill is.

Exactly.

Its not like we shipped all our prospects and went into the luxury tax to make the playoffs for a 2 year window.

ARHornet · Post #5 » by **ARHornet** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:51 pm

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:The team will be playing for HCA in the first round next year, but it just feels like something is missing, that ONE player that kind of shapes the team's identity

I do get what you are saying in terms of a 'star' player. But where would that have come from? Even without Big Al we would've been better than Philly, Milwaukee, Orlando, etc... Of course we could've gotten lucky in the lottery as the Cavs did, but that is very unlikely. More than likely our pick would've fallen in that 5-10 range and we'd have ended up with Vonleh anyways.

So while I understand your point, I think we did the best thing for our franchise when we decided to sign Big Al and try to compete. We still have a nice group of young talent that hopefully will continue to develop as we win games.

Elden Payton · Post #6 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:53 pm

I forgot to add that I personally believe the best prospect we have is Steve Clifford.

He was ROY imo.

Elden Payton · Post #7 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:56 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:People seriously don't understand that we're still (re)building.

We have youth, cap space and a clear vision.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)

I'm disappointed we didn't go one more year but I'm glad we've experienced some relative success in the interim while we build a platform for further success.

People who call us a treadmill team don't understand what the definition of treadmill is.

Exactly.

Its not like we shipped all our prospects and went into the luxury tax to make the playoffs for a 2 year window.

It's funny how people think that losing=winning...

We could put a team out of players under 23, better than most tanking teams in the league.

All while being a playoff team/contending for playoffs.

HornetJail · Post #8 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:02 pm

Not at all. Eventually you have to start winning games and we rose quickly from tanking and winning 28 games in two years to winning 43 this year alone. You can't tank forever- we could have been about the 7th or 8th worst team without Big Al, but to be honest, long term we're better off with Big Al than anyone we would have picked there, plus we got another prospect (who was widely recognized as a top 5 pick) with Detroit's pick. I may be in the minority around here, but I've been very happy with Cho during this rebuild. Wish he'd be more active on the trade front though.

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BobsBuddy · Post #9 » by **BobsBuddy** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:15 pm

No

We are right on track..If we have no injuries..This could be the year?
Parsons fits perfectly in at 3 unless we could do a S/T for LEbron= Hendo,Biz,Zellar, 2015 1st and 2016 1st?
LBJ at 3 is probably dreamin..More likely Parsons and then pick up a veteran point makes more sense.
Hopefully there is some young point in the Dleague or unsigned we can bring in and let Pargo walk with his mil. :nod:

MasterIchiro · Post #10 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:29 pm

Sik Infant wrote:People seriously don't understand that we're still (re)building.

We have youth, cap space and a clear vision.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)

I'm disappointed we didn't go one more year but I'm glad we've experienced some relative success in the interim while we build a platform for further success.

People who call us a treadmill team don't understand what the definition of treadmill is.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)
+ Lance (23) or Hayward (24) or Parsons (25)

Fans of the NBA would be hard-pressed to cite another 'treadmill' team with so many developing players with this kind of potential.

MasterIchiro · Post #11 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:32 pm

Our franchise talent will be Anthony Davis. As a free agent he'll come here imo. His family (mom in particular) felt heartbroken when we didn't win the lottery. They're diehard Bulls and MJ fans. She really wanted to meet and be around MJ. So this young win-now team is on a crash course about to collide with the AD-train.

Elden Payton · Post #12 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:35 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:People seriously don't understand that we're still (re)building.

We have youth, cap space and a clear vision.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)

I'm disappointed we didn't go one more year but I'm glad we've experienced some relative success in the interim while we build a platform for further success.

People who call us a treadmill team don't understand what the definition of treadmill is.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)
+ Lance (23) or Hayward (24) or Parsons (25)

Fans of the NBA would be hard-pressed to cite another 'treadmill' team with so many developing players with this kind of potential.

They'll call us a treadmill team, all the while crying themselves to sleep.

People just want us to fail, I've never understood why.

MasterIchiro · Post #13 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:41 pm

Sik Infant wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:People seriously don't understand that we're still (re)building.

We have youth, cap space and a clear vision.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)

I'm disappointed we didn't go one more year but I'm glad we've experienced some relative success in the interim while we build a platform for further success.

People who call us a treadmill team don't understand what the definition of treadmill is.

Kemba (23)
Hairston(21)
MKG(20)
Zeller(21)
Biyombo(21)
Vonleh(18)
+ Lance (23) or Hayward (24) or Parsons (25)

Fans of the NBA would be hard-pressed to cite another 'treadmill' team with so many developing players with this kind of potential.

They'll call us a treadmill team, all the while crying themselves to sleep.

People just want us to fail, I've never understood why.

Jordan smashed hopes throughout his career. Fans of some teams never saw him lose and his ownership has been a 2nd chance at vengeance for them. He sent so many teams home packing with big shot after big shot. It's because of MJ that all these teams are so obsessed with superstars. And then we have the Spurs.

Elden Payton · Post #14 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:46 pm

I might make comments on certain teams or players on this website (which is half the point) but I'd never root for a team or player to fail.

People actually root for us to fail, it's sad really.

Post #15 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:13 pm

We're still rebuilding in a way, just the late very stages

HornetJail · Post #16 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:16 pm

JDR720 wrote:We're still rebuilding in a way, just the late very stages

I'd say we're past "rebuilding", now we're in the "building and improving" stage.

KI-DW-TT-AB · Post #17 » by **KI-DW-TT-AB** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:40 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Fans of the NBA would be hard-pressed to cite another 'treadmill' team with so many developing players with this kind of potential.

I definetly don't see Charlotte as a treadmill team, the team you had when you made playoffs in 2010, yeah, but not this team right now at all.

Young talent needs time to develop & grow together, OKC went from 8th seed to a contender with same roster, then remained a contender despite losing Harden, all because everybody else got better.

DY_nasty · Post #18 » by **DY_nasty** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:52 pm

OKC model doesn't really apply to us. Neither does the Indiana one.

The more I look at it, the more I see us kinda doing our own thing...

Liver_Pooty · Post #19 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:54 pm

I think the rebuild was absolutely masterful.

Post #20 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:55 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I think the rebuild was absolutely masterful.

the only bad thing that really happened was the lottery screwing us