Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[Ruzious]

I think if they got a rotation big AND a shooter (plus maybe a pick) they'd consider it, just because they need bodies. If Anderson was making enough for us to send them Nene+Webster, for example, then I'd think they'd have to consider it.

I think if the Pelicans have injuries they might seriously consider an offer of 2 players out of Miller/Webster and Booker during the season. The way their pick is protected they get no help from the draft if they struggle next season. So they probably would make a short-term deal to stay in the play-off hunt.

Wow, I'd forgotten about Booker. We could offer Webster and Booker in a S&T on a cheap 3 year deal ($3-4M per year, with the last year non-guaranteed). Probably would still need to sweeten it a bit.

Unfortunately, you can start the sweetening by taking out Webster and Booker. You'd have to give them something they'd want.

[LyricalRico]

Haha yeah, I posted that when I thought Webster was healthy. Oh well, back to the drawing board!

[hands11]

Does anybody think Philly would consider a Noel for Porter swap? Maybe around the trade deadline after Porter has demonstrated he can play and Embid is healthy?

ernie would never admit a mistake like that

That doesn't even make sense.

How would trading a productive Otto for a productive Noel be admitting a mistake ?

People have lost their minds over EG to the point that they just make up stuff to complain about LOL

Maynor. Complain about Maynor. That actually happened.

Any way, Embiid is not playing this year. You can count on that. He is going to get the Blake Griffin treatment first year off to fully rehab and recover. Just like Noel got.

And depending on what tune Trevor A is singing, we should go after Chandler Parsons and catch Houston with their LeBron paints down.

And if Dallas wants TA that badly, we should see if we can force a sign and trade and get Vince and Blair maybe. Maybe Crowder.

[verbal8]

And depending on what tune Trevor A is signing, we should go after Chandler Parsons and catch Houston with their LeBron paints down.

And if Dallas want TA that badly, we should see if we can force a sign and trade and get Vince and Blair maybe. Maybe Crowder.

In theory Chandler Parsons would be a good addition. Especially since his contract figures to be mainly the prime of his career, rather than the beginning of his decline. If Gortat is signing elsewhere it might not be a bad move, since Ariza(and other renounced FAs) would be reinstated if Houston matches.

I think a S&T to Dallas could be a good move with Ariza. Brandan Wright might be a good target. It would allow Dallas to use cap space first and then acquire Ariza. Or if they choose to make all their moves "over the cap" they retain the full-MLE.

[dckingsfan]

In trying to figure out what kind of assets we have for a trade, I came up with the following (certainly incomplete) list - would like to have others (probably more educated) thoughts:

Wall - seems unlikely we would trade him except for a bonafide superstar
Beal - seems unlikely we would trade him except for a bonafide superstar
Porter - doesn't seem to have much trade value given his salary
Webster - now seems to have zero trade value
Nene - my guess is he will have limited trade value until other teams see how he weathers international play
Rice - probably has some trade value for a GM that wants to take a gamble
Miller - good value as an expiring contract
Satoransky - probably no value for another two years

Seraphin, Booker, Temple, Singleton - my guess none.

Cap Space - could have been used for trades like Houston make for Asik.

Future picks - EG has never had a problem trading our picks. I believe the 15 pick is off the table (can't trade picks in successive years).

Edit: S&T for Ariza or Gortat.

[verbal8]

Future picks - EG has never had a problem trading our picks. I believe the 15 pick is off the table (can't trade picks in successive years).

Edit: S&T for Ariza or Gortat.

The 2015 1st round pick is not off the table since the 2014 draft has passed.

I think an Ariza or Gortat S&T is the only possible trade scenario in the short-term.

I think Miller lost trade value when his full deal for 2014-5 kicked in. The 2nd was sold for cash rather than being turned into a future trade asset.

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Does anybody think Philly would consider a Noel for Porter swap? Maybe around the trade deadline after Porter has demonstrated he can play and Embid is healthy?

ernie would never admit a mistake like that

That doesn't even make sense.

How would trading a productive Otto for a productive Noel be admitting a mistake ?

People have lost their minds over EG to the point that they just make up stuff to complain about LOL

Maynor. Complain about Maynor. That actually happened.

Any way, Embiid is not playing this year. You can count on that. He is going to get the Blake Griffin treatment first year off to fully rehab and recover. Just like Noel got.

And depending on what tune Trevor A is signing, we should go after Chandler Parsons and catch Houston with their LeBron paints down.

And if Dallas want TA that badly, we should see if we can force a sign and trade and get Vince and Blair maybe. Maybe Crowder.

I agree that a Porter--Noel trade wouldn't read as "admitting a mistake", would just be two teams "balancing" their rosters.

But, Hands, who are these "people" you feel you must malign? One poster wrote something; no one got on board with it. Also, I'd appreciate you toning down on phraseology along the "lost their minds... lol" line?

I only wish that signing Eric Maynor was the only, or even the worst, move EG had made, btw. But that's a different subject.

OTOH, I love the idea of going after Parsons. However, Houston plans to keep him -- and if they don't keep him, there will likely be 20+ teams trying to get him. Most of them will have way more cap flexibility and way more trade assets than the Wizards. Wouldn't it have been nice to get him when all we had to do was point, back in the '11 draft? But, that's a different subject.

A sign 'n trade for Blair and Crowder also sounds good. And Carter seems to be ageless! Still playing well. But, I don't know how we'd exactly "force a sign and trade." That usually happens when it's to both teams' benefit.

Still I'm sure we'd all love to have Blair. Wouldn't it have been nice to get Blair when all we had to do was point, back in the '09 draft? But, that's a different subject.

I'm glad to see you point out Jae Crowder too. Somehow I just don't think we can "force" Dallas to give us these guys, alas. Wouldn't it have been nice to get Crowder when all we had to do was point, back in the '12 draft? But, that's a different subject.

Somehow, there a lot of those "different subject" kind of things, huh? Oh well....

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In trying to figure out what kind of assets we have for a trade, I came up with the following (certainly incomplete) list - would like to have others (probably more educated) thoughts:

Wall - seems unlikely we would trade him except for a bonafide superstar
Beal - seems unlikely we would trade him except for a bonafide superstar
Porter - doesn't seem to have much trade value given his salary
Webster - now seems to have zero trade value
Nene - my guess is he will have limited trade value until other teams see how he weathers international play
Rice - probably has some trade value for a GM that wants to take a gamble
Miller - good value as an expiring contract
Satoransky - probably no value for another two years

Seraphin, Booker, Temple, Singleton - my guess none.

Cap Space - could have been used for trades like Houston make for Asik.

Future picks - EG has never had a problem trading our picks. I believe the 15 pick is off the table (can't trade picks in successive years).

Edit: S&T for Ariza or Gortat.

I wouldn't call Nene's trade value "next to none," I'd call it almost zero. He makes a huge salary, plays maybe 1600 minutes a year, and doesn't play at anything like the level of his prime.

I wouldn't say Rice has any trade value! What an idea.... He might bring a mid R2 pick, that's not impossible. But, it's pretty unlikely, given he earned zero+ minutes on a mediocre team that had only 1 healthy wing and 2 injury-limited wings. Now, if we had Wolters, for example, a guy who played big minutes and played well at a position where teams always seem to be looking for someone cheap and good (i.e. backup pg), that would be different. He might have at least some meaningful trade value. Not that any team that had him would be likely to trade him away, don't get me wrong.

I also wouldn't say Miller has much trade value -- and besides, we really can't afford to trade him, because we don't have another candidate to back up Wall, and someone cheap and good at backup pg is hard to find. Unless, of course, you point at him in R2 of the '13 draft, but that's a different subject.

I don't think you can trade away your R1 pick two years in a row, can you? So no trade value there either.

You do the math.

[nate33]

I don't think you can trade away your R1 pick two years in a row, can you? So no trade value there either.

You do the math.

You can trade two picks in a row, you just can't trade two future picks in a row. Now that the 2014 draft has already happened, we are eligible to trade the 2015 pick.

[stevemcqueen1]

A Porter for Noel trade is intriguing. It does demonstrate some buyer's remorse on our point because we could have just drafted Noel if we wanted. But we also didn't know how good Ariza was going to be last year when we picked Porter. And Philly probably would want to balance out their roster if they could get a 1:1 swap for Noel and a SF after drafting Embiid.

A few things have to happen for the deal to make sense though.

1.) Ariza extension.
2.) What does Gortat's contract look like?
3.) Both Porter and Noel probably need to show a little something this season to be tradeable.

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

If Ariza walks, then we probably can't afford to trade Porter.

[verbal8]

A Porter for Noel trade is intriguing. It does demonstrate some buyer's remorse on our point because we could have just drafted Noel if we wanted. But we also didn't know how good Ariza was going to be last year when we picked Porter. And Philly probably would want to balance out their roster if they could get a 1:1 swap for Noel and a SF after drafting Embiid.

A few things have to happen for the deal to make sense though.

1.) Ariza extension.
2.) What does Gortat's contract look like?
3.) Both Porter and Noel probably need to show a little something this season to be tradeable.

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

If Ariza walks, then we probably can't afford to trade Porter.

I agree completely that Ariza needs to be retained to entertain dealing porter. I think if Ariza is replaced, the player will be a stop gap with the expectation of Porter growing into the starting role.

For Gortat's deal what would put the pressure on the Wizards to re-balance would be a long, but reasonable contract or a short overpay. I could see either happening if the Wizards negotiate well. Either they say - give us hometown discount and we will reward you with extra years or we can meet your asking price, but we can't add a 4th year. Either establishes Gortat as the short-term starter, but illustrates the need for a long-term replacement.

[dckingsfan]

In trying to figure out what kind of assets we have for a trade, I came up with the following (certainly incomplete) list - would like to have others (probably more educated) thoughts:

Wall - seems unlikely we would trade him except for a bonafide superstar
Beal - seems unlikely we would trade him except for a bonafide superstar
Porter - doesn't seem to have much trade value given his salary
Webster - now seems to have zero trade value
Nene - my guess is he will have limited trade value until other teams see how he weathers international play
Rice - probably has some trade value for a GM that wants to take a gamble
Miller - good value as an expiring contract
Satoransky - probably no value for another two years

Seraphin, Booker, Temple, Singleton - my guess none.

Cap Space - could have been used for trades like Houston make for Asik.

Future picks - EG has never had a problem trading our picks. I believe the 15 pick is off the table (can't trade picks in successive years).

Edit: S&T for Ariza or Gortat.

I wouldn't call Nene's trade value "next to none," I'd call it almost zero. He makes a huge salary, plays maybe 1600 minutes a year, and doesn't play at anything like the level of his prime.

I wouldn't say Rice has any trade value! What an idea.... He might bring a mid R2 pick, that's not impossible. But, it's pretty unlikely, given he earned zero+ minutes on a mediocre team that had only 1 healthy wing and 2 injury-limited wings. Now, if we had Wolters, for example, a guy who played big minutes and played well at a position where teams always seem to be looking for someone cheap and good (i.e. backup pg), that would be different. He might have at least some meaningful trade value. Not that any team that had him would be likely to trade him away, don't get me wrong.

I also wouldn't say Miller has much trade value -- and besides, we really can't afford to trade him, because we don't have another candidate to back up Wall, and someone cheap and good at backup pg is hard to find. Unless, of course, you point at him in R2 of the '13 draft, but that's a different subject.

I don't think you can trade away your R1 pick two years in a row, can you? So no trade value there either.

You do the math.

Good points all - I was just looking at trade value though - not if it was feasible to trade the "asset" (with regards to Miller). But then I should have done the same for Beal and Wall - LOL.

Your point on Rice is probably correct. Hopefully he will get some burn this year behind Beal with Webster out. Well, hopefully IF he plays well. I guess the same argument could be made for Porter. But in both cases - very limited trade value right now.

And agreed on Nene.

Basically we have very limited assets minus our available cap space.

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I don't think you can trade away your R1 pick two years in a row, can you? So no trade value there either.

You do the math.

You can trade two picks in a row, you just can't trade two future picks in a row. Now that the 2014 draft has already happened, we are eligible to trade the 2015 pick.

Ah -- got it, thanks.

In that case, given the "Mediocrity Now & Forever (or at Least as Long as it Lasts!)" strategy, I can easily see Ted and Ernie trading away the pick.

[nate33]

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

I'm not so sure about that. Noel is very agile and should have no trouble covering PF's. Playing him alongside Gortat would be fine, and possibly even dominant on defense. Yes, on offense it could be trouble unless one of them develops better shooting range, but we could probably get away with it for 10 minutes a game.

It's hard to tell with Noel. He's only played 24 college games, mostly against non-conference competition. I have no idea whether or not he could become a good shooter. Maybe he learns to shoot about as well as Booker, and that would be good enough to play PF. Booker shot just 59% from the FT line over his first two seasons in college; that's the same as what Noel shot.

[nate33]

I don't think you can trade away your R1 pick two years in a row, can you? So no trade value there either.

You do the math.

You can trade two picks in a row, you just can't trade two future picks in a row. Now that the 2014 draft has already happened, we are eligible to trade the 2015 pick.

Ah -- got it, thanks.

In that case, given the "Mediocrity Now & Forever (or at Least as Long as it Lasts!)" strategy, I can easily see Ted and Ernie trading away the pick.

Sadly, I agree.

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A Porter for Noel trade is intriguing. It does demonstrate some buyer's remorse on our point because we could have just drafted Noel if we wanted. But we also didn't know how good Ariza was going to be last year when we picked Porter. And Philly probably would want to balance out their roster if they could get a 1:1 swap for Noel and a SF after drafting Embiid.

A few things have to happen for the deal to make sense though.

1.) Ariza extension.
2.) What does Gortat's contract look like?
3.) Both Porter and Noel probably need to show a little something this season to be tradeable.

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

If Ariza walks, then we probably can't afford to trade Porter.

It's an irrelevant idea -- why would Philly want to trade Noel for Porter, now that they've already put in the time to wait for his injury to stop being a problem?

(OTOH, if it still *is* a problem, why would the Wizards make the trade?)

[nate33]

A Porter for Noel trade is intriguing. It does demonstrate some buyer's remorse on our point because we could have just drafted Noel if we wanted. But we also didn't know how good Ariza was going to be last year when we picked Porter. And Philly probably would want to balance out their roster if they could get a 1:1 swap for Noel and a SF after drafting Embiid.

A few things have to happen for the deal to make sense though.

1.) Ariza extension.
2.) What does Gortat's contract look like?
3.) Both Porter and Noel probably need to show a little something this season to be tradeable.

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

If Ariza walks, then we probably can't afford to trade Porter.

It's an irrelevant idea -- why would Philly want to trade Noel for Porter, now that they've already put in the time to wait for his injury to stop being a problem?

(OTOH, if it still *is* a problem, why would the Wizards make the trade?)

Because since that draft, Philly has added Embid, and Trevor Ariza had made a massive jump in production. What seemed like good, balanced picks at the time no longer look that way. Both guys are totally unproven as NBA players so there's little reason to believe that either guy has changed in value relative to their draft value.

[rockymac52]

A Porter for Noel trade is intriguing. It does demonstrate some buyer's remorse on our point because we could have just drafted Noel if we wanted. But we also didn't know how good Ariza was going to be last year when we picked Porter. And Philly probably would want to balance out their roster if they could get a 1:1 swap for Noel and a SF after drafting Embiid.

A few things have to happen for the deal to make sense though.

1.) Ariza extension.
2.) What does Gortat's contract look like?
3.) Both Porter and Noel probably need to show a little something this season to be tradeable.

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

If Ariza walks, then we probably can't afford to trade Porter.

It's an irrelevant idea -- why would Philly want to trade Noel for Porter, now that they've already put in the time to wait for his injury to stop being a problem?

(OTOH, if it still *is* a problem, why would the Wizards make the trade?)

Because since that draft, Philly has added Embid, and Trevor Ariza had made a massive jump in production. What seemed like good, balanced picks at the time no longer look that way. Both guys are totally unproven as NBA players so there's little reason to believe that either guy has changed in value relative to their draft value.

Disagree. Porter did play, and was incredibly unproductive while doing so. Noel hasn't played. Noel's value is definitely higher than Porter's right now. The 76ers wouldn't be interested.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

People need to face the fact that based on year one Otto Porter looks like a bust. You wouldn't have Porter trade ideas if you didn't want him gone.

If Porter does turn out to be a bust I will admit to being wrong. He seemed predraft to be a good bet to become a versatile, solid fit at SF. I didn't want him to be the pick but I thought he was a good player.

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A Porter for Noel trade is intriguing. It does demonstrate some buyer's remorse on our point because we could have just drafted Noel if we wanted. But we also didn't know how good Ariza was going to be last year when we picked Porter. And Philly probably would want to balance out their roster if they could get a 1:1 swap for Noel and a SF after drafting Embiid.

A few things have to happen for the deal to make sense though.

1.) Ariza extension.
2.) What does Gortat's contract look like?
3.) Both Porter and Noel probably need to show a little something this season to be tradeable.

If Gortat signs a four or five year deal for big money, it puts a damper on a Noel trade because both players are true centers IMO.

If Ariza walks, then we probably can't afford to trade Porter.

It's an irrelevant idea -- why would Philly want to trade Noel for Porter, now that they've already put in the time to wait for his injury to stop being a problem?

(OTOH, if it still *is* a problem, why would the Wizards make the trade?)

Because since that draft, Philly has added Embid, and Trevor Ariza had made a massive jump in production. What seemed like good, balanced picks at the time no longer look that way. Both guys are totally unproven as NBA players so there's little reason to believe that either guy has changed in value relative to their draft value.

Whatever value Noel was seen to have, I agree that wouldn't have gone down. But, he was projected to go #1 until the injury was revealed. We must assume the injury problem is gone -- otherwise the whole trade idea sinks on its own weight. But, once we do make that assumption don't you think that his value might have gone up? That seems likely to me.

On the other hand, I can't see how Porter's value would have risen. Keep in mind that I *like* Porter, I'm not trying to ding the guy. But, I do see this as a likely trade-stopper.

Keep in mind as well that this doesn't mean I think such a trade would be "admitting a mistake." It's just that what was a risk last year is now out of the way.