2014 Official FA Thread 2

[letsgosuns]

Can someone who understands the CBA explain to me why Adrian Woj said that we are the only team who can give two max contracts? Doesn't Miami have a record $55M in cap space?

The Suns are not the only team that can sign two max players. However, like Wojnarowski says in his article, the Suns are the only team that can sign two max players without completely gutting their roster. Their is no team out there that could offer Lebron and Carmelo max contracts while still having a quality center left in Plumlee and a top three backcourt in the league in Dragic and Bledsoe. Then the Suns can go over the cap still to sign other veteran pieces and players who will sign for cheap. The Heat have virtually no one on their team and have to rebuild it from scratch. The Lakers have almost 35 million dollars committed to just Kobe and Nash. Again, the Suns are the only team that can sign two max players and still have awesome players leftover to play with the new max players.

[Kerrsed]

Can someone who understands the CBA explain to me why Adrian Woj said that we are the only team who can give two max contracts? Doesn't Miami have a record $55M in cap space?

They do now.

But the issue with Miami is that they dont want just Lebron and Melo, they want Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Melo. Just in order to keep the big 3 they would have to take less than the max (alot less than the max). They have $55M in capspace, but only have 1 player under contract, Norris Cole. That means they also have to spend money on an additional 9 players to fill out the roster, which is hard to do with QUALITY players when you have 3 players making a combined $60+M.

I was on the Heat board and somehow they believe they an sign Gasol for the MLE and still find a way to get Lowery without trading Bosh. I thought we had some homerrifc ideas from posters here, but they take it to a whole 'nother level!

Lowery/Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Gasol with money left over for Ray Allen and a full bench.

[ryanball]

Lol at the people in here saying they would pass up a chance at getting LeBron and Carmelo.

I would pass them up, every time.

Yes I recognize James is possibly the most naturally talented player there is right now, but there is more to this game. He has proven to be no guarantee of winning even with a stacked team in a weak conference. And I just don't care for how he plays. A guy of his talent should not be flopping and trying to bait fouls so much, its pathetic.

Anthony is a also a great pure scorer, but extremely lacking and inactive defensively. I don't view him as a great team player. Also, perhaps its unfair but I lost all respect for him after his cowardly actions in that 2006 fight he got suspended for.

[navysully]

Where is this "the Suns can clear another 10 million" in the articles coming from?

[Sunsdeuce]

Can someone who understands the CBA explain to me why Adrian Woj said that we are the only team who can give two max contracts? Doesn't Miami have a record $55M in cap space?

They do now.

But the issue with Miami is that they dont want just Lebron and Melo, they want Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Melo. Just in order to keep the big 3 they would have to take less than the max (alot less than the max). They have $55M in capspace, but only have 1 player under contract, Norris Cole. That means they also have to spend money on an additional 9 players to fill out the roster, which is hard to do with QUALITY players when you have 3 players making a combined $60+M.

I was on the Heat board and somehow they believe they an sign Gasol for the MLE and still find a way to get Lowery without trading Bosh. I thought we had some homerrifc ideas from posters here, but they take it to a whole 'nother level!

Lowery/Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Gasol with money left over for Ray Allen and a full bench.

These fans just get too greedy. When your rich, you always want more. They think other teams will just bow down. The heat fans have had it good and now their greedy.


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[letsgosuns]

Anybody that wants their favorite team to win a championship would be ecstatic to get a four-time MVP, two-champion in the prime of his career. If you disagree with that, then I do not know what to tell you.

[Revived]

Can someone who understands the CBA explain to me why Adrian Woj said that we are the only team who can give two max contracts? Doesn't Miami have a record $55M in cap space?

They do now.

But the issue with Miami is that they dont want just Lebron and Melo, they want Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Melo. Just in order to keep the big 3 they would have to take less than the max (alot less than the max). They have $55M in capspace, but only have 1 player under contract, Norris Cole. That means they also have to spend money on an additional 9 players to fill out the roster, which is hard to do with QUALITY players when you have 3 players making a combined $60+M.

I was on the Heat board and somehow they believe they an sign Gasol for the MLE and still find a way to get Lowery without trading Bosh. I thought we had some homerrifc ideas from posters here, but they take it to a whole 'nother level!

Lowery/Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Gasol with money left over for Ray Allen and a full bench.

But Miami is capable of signing LeBron & Melo to max and then Wade & Bosh to >$10M deals individually?

[Kerrsed]

But Miami is capable of signing LeBron & Melo to max and then Wade & Bosh to >$10M deals individually?

Maybe, but that would be above $60M and the cap for next season is $63M, so they would have less than 3 million to spend on 8 more players to fill the team up.

[bwgood77]

If I was Miami I wouldn't offer Wade more than $12 million or so (unless they lost LeBron).

Actually, thinking this through If they only have $55 million how can they sign ANYONE else if LeBron wants the max (not sure what his max is in Miami $23?), Bosh at $15, Wade AND Haslem? Unless some of those guys are taking massive paycuts. If someone has an answer to this let me know.

Maybe there is a better chance LeBron leaves and is demanding Wade and Bosh take like 10 and Haslem like 2 or they really won't have much money to sign anyone else. If Wade and Bosh refuse to take that big of a paycut, maybe he actually does decide to go elsewhere.

Unless my math is wrong. Even if you give Bosh and Wade $12 million and Haslem $2 million, that only leaves $6 million in cap space. So they could add one decent player and then another via MLE.

Edit - I guess I got that $55 million from the RealGM ticker. Looks like they only have like $2 million on the books for Cole and whatever Napier would make, so I guess they do have about 60 and more if they trade Cole.

But still, if they have 60 and sign Bron to 23, and Wade/Bosh to 15 and Haslem to 2, that only leaves 5 million to add another player. So Wade and Bosh are REALLY going to have to take paycuts if they hope to add anyone. Their depth is going to be terrible.

[RunDogGun]

So what is the benefit of putting out the QO to both Bledsoe and Tucker? Tucker I somewhat understand, but if Bledsoe took it, we would have very little power next offseason, right?

[letsgosuns]

So what is the benefit of putting out the QO to both Bledsoe and Tucker? Tucker I somewhat understand, but if Bledsoe took it, we would have very little power next offseason, right?

I believe that if the Suns do not extend the Qualifying Offers, then they are renouncing their rights and both become unrestricted free agents.

[SunsFanSSOL]

So what is the benefit of putting out the QO to both Bledsoe and Tucker? Tucker I somewhat understand, but if Bledsoe took it, we would have very little power next offseason, right?

To make them restricted free agents.

[sunsbum]

Lol at the people in here saying they would pass up a chance at getting LeBron and Carmelo.

Would I pass it up? Probably not. Do I dream about it happening? No.

[drewsprocket]

Whoever said it earlier that he wants the Suns to be the next Spurs not Heat said it BEST.
I'm for having Lebron but not bringing a whole entourage of stars who I loved to root against. I always hated the Lakers, in part, because of their affinity for going big in free agency to win back their dynamic to win a title -- when having the greatest duo in the game wasn't enough to get over the hump. Lakers fans in off years couldn't be heard talking about Kobe. At least not until it became clear that they were going to win a series. C'mon was there anything else more satisfying than an LA team with Payton and Malone losing? It was only fitting. Bill Simmons said the Suns had no. 1 pick in his Kharma draft. Somehow that's gratifying. There is a sense that we are on the right track but are a player or two away. Not changing the team entire to that of the Phoenix Mutual Admiration Society.

Stars used to battle each other, now everyone's **** friends. A fraternity bro-down... yeah we'll win our first championship ring and your mom and grandma will have matching t shirts of cartoon-y Melo and LBJ and Bledsoe. They'll be at the Sugar Bowl talking about them like they've been following them since their draft. Dragic and crew will be footnotes.

The rest of us Suns fans will still walk around pining for the day where we were still underdogs but ready to contend.

Still, it'd be nice to win a title. I guess I could stomach LBJ & Bosh...not Wade or Melo. They can both go ead.

[phx#7]

So what is the benefit of putting out the QO to both Bledsoe and Tucker? Tucker I somewhat understand, but if Bledsoe took it, we would have very little power next offseason, right?

If the Suns didn't extend the QO then they become unrestricted FAs this year, neither player will take the QO.

[Revived]

If I was Miami I wouldn't offer Wade more than $12 million or so (unless they lost LeBron).

Actually, thinking this through If they only have $55 million how can they sign ANYONE else if LeBron wants the max (not sure what his max is in Miami $23?), Bosh at $15, Wade AND Haslem? Unless some of those guys are taking massive paycuts. If someone has an answer to this let me know.

Maybe there is a better chance LeBron leaves and is demanding Wade and Bosh take like 10 and Haslem like 2 or they really won't have much money to sign anyone else. If Wade and Bosh refuse to take that big of a paycut, maybe he actually does decide to go elsewhere.

Unless my math is wrong. Even if you give Bosh and Wade $12 million and Haslem $2 million, that only leaves $6 million in cap space. So they could add one decent player and then another via MLE.

Edit - I guess I got that $55 million from the RealGM ticker. Looks like they only have like $2 million on the books for Cole and whatever Napier would make, so I guess they do have about 60 and more if they trade Cole.

But still, if they have 60 and sign Bron to 23, and Wade/Bosh to 15 and Haslem to 2, that only leaves 5 million to add another player. So Wade and Bosh are REALLY going to have to take paycuts if they hope to add anyone. Their depth is going to be terrible.

Wade and Bosh will likely take less than $10M/yr deals. And Haslem will take a deal with more guaranteed money than his previous deal but the cap hit will be less.

[navysully]

Was this talked about already?

There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors going on here.

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[bwgood77]

Wade and Bosh will likely take less than $10M/yr deals. And Haslem will take a deal with more guaranteed money than his previous deal but the cap hit will be less.

That would be pretty unbelievable if they both took $10 million paycuts to keep playing with LeBron.

[Sunsdeuce]

If I was Miami I wouldn't offer Wade more than $12 million or so (unless they lost LeBron).

Actually, thinking this through If they only have $55 million how can they sign ANYONE else if LeBron wants the max (not sure what his max is in Miami $23?), Bosh at $15, Wade AND Haslem? Unless some of those guys are taking massive paycuts. If someone has an answer to this let me know.

Maybe there is a better chance LeBron leaves and is demanding Wade and Bosh take like 10 and Haslem like 2 or they really won't have much money to sign anyone else. If Wade and Bosh refuse to take that big of a paycut, maybe he actually does decide to go elsewhere.

Unless my math is wrong. Even if you give Bosh and Wade $12 million and Haslem $2 million, that only leaves $6 million in cap space. So they could add one decent player and then another via MLE.

Edit - I guess I got that $55 million from the RealGM ticker. Looks like they only have like $2 million on the books for Cole and whatever Napier would make, so I guess they do have about 60 and more if they trade Cole.

But still, if they have 60 and sign Bron to 23, and Wade/Bosh to 15 and Haslem to 2, that only leaves 5 million to add another player. So Wade and Bosh are REALLY going to have to take paycuts if they hope to add anyone. Their depth is going to be terrible.

Wade and Bosh will likely take less than $10M/yr deals. And Haslem will take a deal with more guaranteed money than his previous deal but the cap hit will be less.

I think you are giving them to much credit. They will both want 13-15 million a year. Wade, I think, that he thinks, that he is still a prime time player.


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[Kerrsed]

Was this talked about already?

There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors going on here.

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Already been posted. Consider it "Plan B".

We plan to talk to LeBron and will give him 24-48 hours to decide if he likes our offer or not. If not, we move ahead with Plan B. McD was smart by "Leaking our plan" out ahead of the day FA starts, so Lebron knows ahead of time the basis of what we are offering. That way he has a bit of time to think about it before a formal sit down with the FO and before he makes anything permanent with Miami. We are setting a deadline so we dont lose out on everybody, like Dallas did when trying to woo Howard.