2014 Free Agency Thread

MasterIchiro · Post #1541 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:56 am

JDR720 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I'm thinking Zeller would be the main piece offered via sign & trade proposal to the Jazz for not matching. I think we really want back McRoberts as a starter and want time for Vonleh to develop off the bench.

why would Utah take Zeller? they already have Kanter,Gobert and Favors

None of them play well at PF and all of them seem more fit for C. They can trade Favors and reload. He has a big contract.

MasterIchiro · Post #1542 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:04 am

It looks like the Suns are targeting Lebron + Melo or could be Lebron + Bosh.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... Bron-James

I would think we can get to Hayward early if he's not the Suns' main target. Hopefully Big Al is working on him.

Post #1543 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:05 am

How realistic is the possibility that we strike out all around and go into the season with our cap space in tact, to be used either to facilitate a salary dump to pick up picks or to use in next year's free agency? I would think we're more likely to significantly overpay than go that route, but curious.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1544 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:14 am

yosemiteben wrote:How realistic is the possibility that we strike out all around and go into the season with our cap space in tact, to be used either to facilitate a salary dump to pick up picks or to use in next year's free agency? I would think we're more likely to significantly overpay than go that route, but curious.

It's possible. I think we'll return with pretty much the same team if we can't acquire Lance Stephenson, just with a few additions like the 2-3 rookies and two new reserve point guards

BeesWax · Post #1545 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:18 am

JDR720 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I'm thinking Zeller would be the main piece offered via sign & trade proposal to the Jazz for not matching. I think we really want back McRoberts as a starter and want time for Vonleh to develop off the bench.

why would Utah take Zeller? they already have Kanter,Gobert and Favors

Because despite all his flaws Zeller is a PF and they are all Cs. He may not be very good now but he has potential as a perimeter defender due to his quickness.

LofJ · Post #1546 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:29 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:How realistic is the possibility that we strike out all around and go into the season with our cap space in tact, to be used either to facilitate a salary dump to pick up picks or to use in next year's free agency? I would think we're more likely to significantly overpay than go that route, but curious.

It's possible. I think we'll return with pretty much the same team if we can't acquire Lance Stephenson, just with a few additions like the 2-3 rookies and two new reserve point guards

I'm with ya, this is how I'm thinking things will go as well.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1547 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:47 am

jdm3 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I'm thinking Zeller would be the main piece offered via sign & trade proposal to the Jazz for not matching. I think we really want back McRoberts as a starter and want time for Vonleh to develop off the bench.

why would Utah take Zeller? they already have Kanter,Gobert and Favors

Because despite all his flaws Zeller is a PF and they are all Cs. He may not be very good now but he has potential as a perimeter defender due to his quickness.

Which is why we should keep him.

BeesWax · Post #1548 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:56 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:why would Utah take Zeller? they already have Kanter,Gobert and Favors

Because despite all his flaws Zeller is a PF and they are all Cs. He may not be very good now but he has potential as a perimeter defender due to his quickness.

Which is why we should keep him.

Eh. I would trade his potential, which I see as way less than Vonleh, for a quality young player I know can play.

HornetJail · Post #1549 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:08 am

Vonleh will be better than Zeller in just about every facet of the game. They're both PF/Cs.

Trade Zeller while he's still got value, because Jefferson, Biz, Vonleh, and McBob are going to take all his minutes (and rightfully so).

Snidely FC · Post #1550 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:11 am

Maybe the new upheaval in BRK will make Shaun Livingston less of a slam dunk to re-sign there? He's still my favorite PG target for us, with Greivis Vasquez seemingly staying in Canada.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1551 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:22 am

Snidely FC wrote:Maybe the new upheaval in BRK will make Shaun Livingston less of a slam dunk to re-sign there? He's still my favorite PG target for us, with Greivis Vasquez seemingly staying in Canada.

Do you think the Lou Williams trade might've put a damper on the Raptors chances of re-signing Greivis Vasquez? I haven't looked at the numbers, but I hope so

Snidely FC · Post #1552 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:29 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Maybe the new upheaval in BRK will make Shaun Livingston less of a slam dunk to re-sign there? He's still my favorite PG target for us, with Greivis Vasquez seemingly staying in Canada.

Do you think the Lou Williams trade might've put a damper on the Raptors chances of re-signing Greivis Vasquez? I haven't looked at the numbers, but I hope so

I'm going on the assumption Kyle Lowry is out the door (primarily because MIA wants him). That makes Vasquez the starter.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1553 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:40 am

Snidely FC wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:Maybe the new upheaval in BRK will make Shaun Livingston less of a slam dunk to re-sign there? He's still my favorite PG target for us, with Greivis Vasquez seemingly staying in Canada.

Do you think the Lou Williams trade might've put a damper on the Raptors chances of re-signing Greivis Vasquez? I haven't looked at the numbers, but I hope so

I'm going on the assumption Kyle Lowry is out the door (primarily because MIA wants him). That makes Vasquez the starter.

I think Toronto take a backwards slide of at least 10 games without Lowry. I think they still find a way to re-sign him, but maybe you're right. I do recall Vasquez recently saying that he "want to be a starter", so maybe he has some insight

TheKingofSting2 · Post #1554 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:13 am

How about Andre Miller? He is old but a rack of basketballs would be an upgrade for us backing up Kemba.

HornetJail · Post #1555 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:28 am

TheKingofSting wrote:How about Andre Miller? He is old but a rack of basketballs would be an upgrade for us backing up Kemba.

We need floor spacing more than backup floor general that would play 15mpg tops.

Elden Payton · Post #1556 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:30 am

Just play Neal at backup PG if we have to.

It would give minutes to Hairston at least.

Trading for Jeremy Lin would also make sense at this point imo.

TheKingofSting2 · Post #1557 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:32 am

Sik Infant wrote:Trading for Jeremy Lin would also make sense at this point imo.

Isn't he due a lot of money?

Elden Payton · Post #1558 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:38 am

TheKingofSting wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Trading for Jeremy Lin would also make sense at this point imo.

Isn't he due a lot of money?

8m on the cap but 14.5m in reality.

Whoever takes him in a salary dump to open up cap space for Melo/Lebron etc will be able to ask for the NOP pick plus another first rounder imo.

we need a backup PG and Lin equals a lot of revenue.

Revenue+need+assets equals a win imo.

TheKingofSting2 · Post #1559 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:40 am

Sik Infant wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:Trading for Jeremy Lin would also make sense at this point imo.

Isn't he due a lot of money?

8m on the cap but 14.5m in reality.

Whoever takes him in a salary dump to open up cap space for Melo/Lebron etc will be able to ask for the NOP pick plus another first rounder imo.

we need a backup PG and Lin equals a lot of revenue.

Revenue+need+assets equals a win imo.

I agree, I thought his cap hit would be a lot worse.

Elden Payton · Post #1560 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:45 am

TheKingofSting wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:
Isn't he due a lot of money?

8m on the cap but 14.5m in reality.

Whoever takes him in a salary dump to open up cap space for Melo/Lebron etc will be able to ask for the NOP pick plus another first rounder imo.

we need a backup PG and Lin equals a lot of revenue.

Revenue+need+assets equals a win imo.

I agree, I thought his cap hit would be a lot worse.

If we have no realistic chance at our main targets, which aside from Lance we probably won't, why not just delay our space for a year and use some of it on Kemba+Biz?

I'd rather maintain future flexibility over panic signings.