Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

bigdog34 · Post #1181 » by **bigdog34** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:53 am

Also, for everyone chastising Lasry for "meddling", c'mon man. We wanted Hammond and Drew gone. Obviously, it appears that Hammond may stay for at least one year. You actually think they are going to let Hammond pick his own new coach? Hell no!!! The only way this looks bad is because someone in NY leaked it. Otherwise, this would have come out as normal coaching change. Since last night, Twitter reporting in this story has been embarrassing!

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Post #1182 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:53 am

On one hand, if I were Lasry and Edens, I would walk away from this mess right now. Say they explored hiring Kidd as coach but couldn't agree on compensation

On the other hand, they likely are exposed for a tampering charge. Even if the Bucks don't hire Kidd, the Nets are damaged. They still owe Kidd almost $8 million remaining on his contract and Kidd is highly damaged property that likely can't return as coach anymore. So if you are worried on that angle, the Bucks have to make a deal with Kidd that gets the Nets satisfied and absolves the Bucks of further liability.

Unless some major thing happens, I think we will end up sending two seconds and a ton of cash to the Nets by tomorrow to hire our new super powerful George Karl like coach in Jason Kidd. Who the flunky is that is hired as GM next is anyone's guess. Hammond might stay in that role.

Bfinkish · Post #1183 » by **Bfinkish** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:55 am

Many people are talking about how Kidd is gone no matter what now with this news.

We all should remember that Drew is now gone no matter what.

There isn't going back for either of these coaches.

SkilesTheLimit · Post #1184 » by **SkilesTheLimit** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:55 am

paulpressey25 wrote:On one hand, if I were Lasry and Edens, I would walk away from this mess right now. Say they explored hiring Kidd as coach but couldn't agree on compensation

On the other hand, they likely are exposed for a tampering charge. Even if the Bucks don't hire Kidd, the Nets are damaged. They still owe Kidd almost $8 million remaining on his contract and Kidd is highly damaged property that likely can't return as coach anymore. So if you are worried on that angle, the Bucks have to make a deal with Kidd that gets the Nets satisfied and absolves the Bucks of further liability.

Unless some major thing happens, I think we will end up sending two seconds and a ton of cash to the Nets by tomorrow to hire our new super powerful George Karl like coach in Jason Kidd. Who the flunky is that is hired as GM next is anyone's guess. Hammond might stay in that role.

Who will want to work for Kidd as an assistant after the way he treated Lawrence Frank? I am not so sure he is the best X's and O's coach out there and those types typically bring on a veteran assistant to run the huddles (like Carlisle did for Larry Bird).

Frank Nova · Post #1185 » by **Frank Nova** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:56 am

I truthfully never liked Kidd and would rather hire someone else as HC but this is a big deal and I'll take Kidd over Drew 100/100 times. I'm not worried about any order of operation. The 1st order of business was to eliminate Larry Drew so beggers can't be choosers. Kidd atleast brings a high profile name with him and wants to develop the youth and rebuild a winner. I'm good with that.

machu46 · Post #1186 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:56 am

paulpressey25 wrote:On one hand, if I were Lasry and Edens, I would walk away from this mess right now. Say they explored hiring Kidd as coach but couldn't agree on compensation

On the other hand, they likely are exposed for a tampering charge. Even if the Bucks don't hire Kidd, the Nets are damaged. They still owe Kidd almost $8 million remaining on his contract and Kidd is highly damaged property that likely can't return as coach anymore. So if you are worried on that angle, the Bucks have to make a deal with Kidd that gets the Nets satisfied and absolves the Bucks of further liability.

Unless some major thing happens, I think we will end up sending two seconds and a ton of cash to the Nets by tomorrow to hire our new super powerful George Karl like coach in Jason Kidd. Who the flunky is that is hired as GM next is anyone's guess. Hammond might stay in that role.

I feel like we wouldn't have been adamant about pretty much telling Brooklyn that they can either take the 2nd round pick or we walk away if we were concerned about tampering charges. But maybe our new owners/Hammond/whoever is actually negotiating this simply doesn't know that we're at risk lol. No idea.

Bfinkish · Post #1187 » by **Bfinkish** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:57 am

Some of you thinking sending a 2nd rounder is some kind of death wish. Dudes, it's a second round pick. A. SECOND. ROUND. PICK.

Not the end of the world. I'll give it a pass as long as Drew is out and Kidd is our coach with our young core...

Hard to imagine the players wouldn't want Kidd around anyways.

Zeezprah · Post #1188 » by **Zeezprah** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:58 am

Wooderson wrote:I think Nets fans are more pissed about the way he left than his they are for losing his coaching ability. They want a 1st rounder or the satisfaction of Kidd not being able to land in his preferred destination.

this. brooklyn fans are po'd because he's forcing his way out and they want a 1st as a figurative teet to calm themselves down. they're taking their anger out on the wrong party.

it's not like he was universally loved, but i know quite a few people really liked him as coach going forward.

now, of course they're going to all say they wanted him gone.

glenn · Post #1189 » by **glenn** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:58 am

So we're back to unsubstantiated tampering claims, huh?

Matches Malone · Post #1190 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:00 am

glenn wrote:So we're back to unsubstantiated tampering claims, huh?

Yup. Brooklyn board is chalk full of good tampering jokes. :banghead:

Ayt · Post #1191 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:00 am

paulpressey25 wrote:On one hand, if I were Lasry and Edens, I would walk away from this mess right now. Say they explored hiring Kidd as coach but couldn't agree on compensation

On the other hand, they likely are exposed for a tampering charge. Even if the Bucks don't hire Kidd, the Nets are damaged. They still owe Kidd almost $8 million remaining on his contract and Kidd is highly damaged property that likely can't return as coach anymore. So if you are worried on that angle, the Bucks have to make a deal with Kidd that gets the Nets satisfied and absolves the Bucks of further liability.

Unless some major thing happens, I think we will end up sending two seconds and a ton of cash to the Nets by tomorrow to hire our new super powerful George Karl like coach in Jason Kidd. Who the flunky is that is hired as GM next is anyone's guess. Hammond might stay in that role.

I couldn't disagree with you more on your read on this.

Post #1192 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:01 am

SkilesTheLimit wrote:
Who will want to work for Kidd as an assistant after the way he treated Lawrence Frank? I am not so sure he is the best X's and O's coach out there and those types typically bring on a veteran assistant to run the huddles (like Carlisle did for Larry Bird).

I think Kidd locates some ok assistants. I'm more concerned about the GM and POBO positions though. No one worth their salt wants to take those jobs with the Bucks now, as long as Kidd is Lasry's friend and also the head coach. You won't attract top tier candidates. They know they'd be rubber stamps for Kidd, or the minute they weren't, Kidd would throw a tantrum.

The only hope we have is that Lasry and Kidd are a lot smarter on the basketball front than Kohl, cronies and whoever Kohl empowered as coach or GM in a given year. That shouldn't be hard, but it isn't the ideal structure for developing a stable winning organization and culture like the Spurs model they espouse.

Cold Crush 24 · Post #1193 » by **Cold Crush 24** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:04 am

Doubt there are any tampering charges. Just because the assption is Kidd MUST have had a fall back plan to try the power grab isn't enough without hard proof. Also there's no way he or Drew is back. If I am Hammond I am asking for a but out. The writing is on the wall and the owners went around him in hiring a coach.

LUKE23 · Post #1194 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:05 am

It doesn't sound like there was tampering, unless Gardner's tweet on the Nets granting permission was incorrect.

00 Buckshot · Post #1195 » by **00 Buckshot** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:06 am

Should probably redo the poll as coach option

machu46 · Post #1196 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 am

LUKE23 wrote:It doesn't sound like there was tampering, unless Gardner's tweet on the Nets granting permission was incorrect.

The point that the Brooklyn fans are making is that according to the reports, Kidd had permission AFTER the blow up happened, so therefore, they're saying he must have already spoken to us without permission or he wouldn't have gone and made an ass of himself in the first place.

But nobody really knows because we don't have a legit timeline. We don't even know when this blow up occurred. The only thing we know is that Milwaukee had permission prior to the draft on Thursday, and Carl posted that all this stuff had gone down after the draft on Thursday.

glenn · Post #1197 » by **glenn** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 am

Just for the hell of it, here are the already quoted parts of the Katz ESPN story that make the tampering discussion irrelevant. I'm sure it will continue for 50 more pages.

The source said the negotiation was supposed to be between the owners, not involving any basketball personnel, before the story was leaked out by the New York Post.

Sources said Bucks co-owners Marc Lasry and Wes Edens met with Kidd on Friday in New York City after asking for and receiving permission to talk to Kidd a few days before last Thursday's NBA draft.

bucksbrewers3 · Post #1198 » by **bucksbrewers3** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:11 am

buckboy wrote:
bucksbrewers3 wrote:i love how it was all "hes a wife beating drunk that has no experience to run a team" now its basically ok with all of that and only one year of coaching experience as long its as coach and not front office work. classic

How could you possibly not see the difference?

Would you care as much if the team janitor was a wife-beating drunk?

no i honestly don't care. it doesnt affect my life in any way. its wrong and very uncalled for though. You however based on your question to me think that him being a wife beater is horrible in one part of the game but its ok if he is as long as its a lower position. i'll never understand that mind set.

machu46 · Post #1199 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:13 am

machu46 wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:It doesn't sound like there was tampering, unless Gardner's tweet on the Nets granting permission was incorrect.

The point that the Brooklyn fans are making is that according to the reports, Kidd had permission AFTER the blow up happened, so therefore, they're saying he must have already spoken to us without permission or he wouldn't have gone and made an ass of himself in the first place.

But nobody really knows because we don't have a legit timeline. We don't even know when this blow up occurred. The only thing we know is that Milwaukee had permission prior to the draft on Thursday, and Carl posted that all this stuff had gone down after the draft on Thursday.

Quoting myself because I forgot to add this...

How the hell do we still not even know when this whole blow up occurred? Carl posted about it on Thursday and the story blew up last night, and we still don't know the simple fact of when this shouting match with Kidd and the front office occurred (as far as I can tell). If that part has been released by now, could someone hook me up?

randy84 · Post #1200 » by **randy84** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:15 am

glenn wrote:Just for the hell of it, here are the already quoted parts of the Katz ESPN story that make the tampering discussion irrelevant. I'm sure it will continue for 50 more pages.

The source said the negotiation was supposed to be between the owners, not involving any basketball personnel, before the story was leaked out by the New York Post.

Sources said Bucks co-owners Marc Lasry and Wes Edens met with Kidd on Friday in New York City after asking for and receiving permission to talk to Kidd a few days before last Thursday's NBA draft.

My twist to the story is that the Russian wasn't really happy with Kidd this year. Lasry asked to talk to Kidd and the Russian granted him permission. This made Kidd realize that he was on shaky ground and that is when he asked for more power in the organization. The Mad Russian said "Nyet" and Kidd said FU I am going to Milwaukee and here we are.

Do you want the Bucks to hire Jason Kidd as POBO?