Optimism for Embiid's Health

Cokeleaf · Post #41 » by **Cokeleaf** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 am

Arsenal wrote:Cavs GM David Griffin said immediately after the draft that there were no substantive offers for the #1 pick.

Woj, the NBA reporter with the most credibility said the Sixers never made a substantive offer for the #1 pick.

Hinkie is widely known to be an analytics guy, and almost all of his picks have had great analytics numbers (e.g. Reb/40, Stl/40, Ast/40, Blk/40, A/TO, etc.), while Wiggins had mediocre at best analytics numbers. Embiid on the other hand had great analytics numbers.

Hinkie described the Embiid injury as "I smelled opportunity".

It seems pretty clear the Sixers were never all that interested in Wiggins. All the reports beforehand were a desperate attempt by Cleveland to drum up a trade market, which ended up being non-existent.

Yes I remember the interview with David Griffin. He said most of the trade proposals that were floating around were non-existant, (likely falsely leaked by Cavaliers management).

Sam Hinkie also said, in his post draft announcement, that 76ers were largely receiving calls from others. Not making calls.

All this says is that 76ers and Hinkie are happy with Embiid. Doesn't tell us whether we wanted Wiggins or Embiid more.

bebopdeluxe · Post #42 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:07 am

Arsenal wrote:Cavs GM David Griffin said immediately after the draft that there were no substantive offers for the #1 pick.

Woj, the NBA reporter with the most credibility said the Sixers never made a substantive offer for the #1 pick.

Hinkie is widely known to be an analytics guy, and almost all of his picks have had great analytics numbers (e.g. Reb/40, Stl/40, Ast/40, Blk/40, A/TO, etc.), while Wiggins had mediocre at best analytics numbers. Embiid on the other hand had great analytics numbers.

Hinkie described the Embiid injury as "I smelled opportunity".

It seems pretty clear the Sixers were never all that interested in Wiggins. All the reports beforehand were a desperate attempt by Cleveland to drum up a trade market, which ended up being non-existent.

Oh, Arsenal...stop polluting this thread with FACTS. They screw up people's narratives.

To be fair, we don't know if Hinkie had NO interest in Wiggins...and frankly, I have to believe he had interest. The point of discussion here, however, is whether Hinkie's interest was at the level that the media made it out to be. It simply is not Hinkie's MO to tell people what he is thinking - never has been...never will be (are you listening, Rob Hennigan?). It always made ZERO sense to me that everyone believed it - not just because the analytics don't support it, but because Hinkie does not put his laundry out there like that. The fact that, after the draft, it is now WIDELY confirmed that all of that stuff about us clambering up to get the number 1 pick should also put into question whether ANY of that "Sixers love Wiggins" stuff was ever true. If anything, you could argue that if anything WAS leaked, it was to potentially give him leverage to trade up for Embiid...something that as it turns out, he didn't have to do.

joefrizzle · Post #43 » by **joefrizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:08 am

So all the reports were false. Not 1 but multiple sources are false because woj says it was and Hinkie said Joel was his guy... lol

Cokeleaf · Post #44 » by **Cokeleaf** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:10 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:And nice hyperbole with the "Sixers never actually wanted Wiggins anyway" crap. I am sure that they had a great deal of interest in him. I am sure that, until Adam Silver actually said, "with the 1st pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers select Andrew Wiggins", Sam Hinkie was VERY open to taking Wiggins if he was on the board at 3. It would not have surprised me - or Hinkie, I bet - if the Cavs would have gone ahead and taken Embiid anyway. The point is that, before the injury was revealed, Hinkie WAS focused on Wiggins...because he assumed - like everyone else - that Embiid would be gone at 1.

Right?

I agree. Both Wiggins and Embiid were the main targets

LongLiveHinkie · Post #45 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:16 am

Hypothetically, if a 100% healthy Embiid is there at 3 and Wiggins was also, who do you guys think he would have taken?

bebopdeluxe · Post #46 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:16 am

joefrizzle wrote:So all the reports were false. Not 1 but multiple sources are false because woj says it was and Hinkie said Joel was his guy... lol

CLEVELAND'S OWN FARKING GM SAID IT WAS FALSE

:banghead:

(and you have the sack to complain about Kobble?)

*ignore*

Cokeleaf · Post #47 » by **Cokeleaf** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:20 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Hypothetically, if a 100% healthy Embiid is there at 3 and Wiggins was also, who do you guys think he would have taken?

Haha this same thought crossed my mind when I was commenting earlier to this thread.

Hinkie breaks the bank and trades all assets to acquire both the third and fourth picks

MCtripDub · Post #48 » by **MCtripDub** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:21 am

wait, andre drummond broke the same bone? if so, then man.. we are going to be fine.

eyeatoma · Post #49 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:25 am

Kobblehead wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:I wrote this in another thread, but think it's work mentioning here...

As much as I get the reasoning to shut Embiid the whole year I don't think he should sit the whole season. His injury isn't nearly as serious as Noel's was. He should play by January max is he's healthy. Yes next year's draft could get us a high lotto pick but the majority of players are big men. We don't need another one and imo Embiid is better than Okafor. Embiid needs experience to get better. It will also help us know if his body can hold up through a grueling season at the very least 40-50 games to start with. Unless there's an sg or sf who is worth a top 5 pick I say we play him for most of the season. If his body does break down if he starts playing, say in January or February, then we know that it might be much more serious, and we can be optimistic about finding a replacement big man during the 15-16 draft...

You run the risk of an overcompensation injury.

You also run the risk of stunting his development... No matter how much you practice, one on one or 5 on 5, it's totally different than playing a real game...

joefrizzle · Post #50 » by **joefrizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:26 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:So all the reports were false. Not 1 but multiple sources are false because woj says it was and Hinkie said Joel was his guy... lol

CLEVELAND'S OWN FARKING GM SAID IT WAS FALSE

(and you have the sack to complain about Kobble?)

*ignore*

And you expect him to let wiggins think that he wasnt HIS man? Come on dude, this is getting ridiculous. "We tried trading the pick to NOT take you Andrew, but we couldnt, so welcome to Cleveland!!!!" :banghead:

Cokeleaf · Post #51 » by **Cokeleaf** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:29 am

joefrizzle wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:So all the reports were false. Not 1 but multiple sources are false because woj says it was and Hinkie said Joel was his guy... lol

CLEVELAND'S OWN FARKING GM SAID IT WAS FALSE

(and you have the sack to complain about Kobble?)

*ignore*

And you expect him to let wiggins think that he wasnt HIS man? Come on dude, this is getting ridiculous. "We tried trading the pick to NOT take you Andrew, but we couldnt, so welcome to Cleveland!!!!"

I can see both sides to this argument.

joefrizzle · Post #52 » by **joefrizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:32 am

Cokeleaf wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
CLEVELAND'S OWN FARKING GM SAID IT WAS FALSE

(and you have the sack to complain about Kobble?)

*ignore*

And you expect him to let wiggins think that he wasnt HIS man? Come on dude, this is getting ridiculous. "We tried trading the pick to NOT take you Andrew, but we couldnt, so welcome to Cleveland!!!!"

I can see both sides to this argument.

Im glad you do, cause I thought I was in an episode of the Twilight Zone for a minute there

Arsenal · Post #53 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:33 am

Westbrook36 wrote:Hypothetically, if a 100% healthy Embiid is there at 3 and Wiggins was also, who do you guys think he would have taken?

Embiid.

Hinkie would take the currently injured Embiid over Wiggins too.

SixerFever215 · Post #54 » by **SixerFever215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:35 am

76ers never offered the 10th pick, Dei Lynam reported we offered 3-10-32 that was 100 % false all the reports saying Philly was desperate for Wiggins were false. Yes Wiggins was #1 on there board, but when the got Embiid medical records they absouletly were comfortable drafting Embiid.

Cokeleaf · Post #55 » by **Cokeleaf** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:38 am

joefrizzle wrote:
Cokeleaf wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
And you expect him to let wiggins think that he wasnt HIS man? Come on dude, this is getting ridiculous. "We tried trading the pick to NOT take you Andrew, but we couldnt, so welcome to Cleveland!!!!"

I can see both sides to this argument.

Im glad you do, cause I thought I was in an episode of the Twilight Zone for a minute there

We cant forget about the social relations side that GMs Sam and David have to up uphold. Players have to feel appreciated and wanted. This all starts at the management and owner level

bebopdeluxe · Post #56 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:38 am

joefrizzle wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:So all the reports were false. Not 1 but multiple sources are false because woj says it was and Hinkie said Joel was his guy... lol

CLEVELAND'S OWN FARKING GM SAID IT WAS FALSE

(and you have the sack to complain about Kobble?)

*ignore*

And you expect him to let wiggins think that he wasnt HIS man? Come on dude, this is getting ridiculous. "We tried trading the pick to NOT take you Andrew, but we couldnt, so welcome to Cleveland!!!!"

Are you even thinking about what you are typing?

What POSSIBLE motivation would Cleveland's GM have to refute the report that the Sixers were willing to offer a king's ransom for the #1 pick...unless the report was true?

If you were Cleveland's GM, and if it was true that the Sixers offered what was reported, and you still took Wiggins...wouldn't you want to tell him that? If Wiggins comes to your office and asks...

Wiggins - wow...the Sixers offered you ALL THAT...and you still took me?

GM - of course, Andrew...you are the foundation of our franchise...

If you were the GM, wouldn't you WANT to say that if it were true? It would be an AWESOME way to start the Wiggins era...right?

But it WASN'T true. And that is why - when Woj pointed out that it wasn't true - that Cleveland's GM had to confirm that it wasn't true.

This is the ESSENCE of "ballboy" around here. Not only are you ignoring facts that do not support your narrative, even the logic that you are trying to use to support your argument is flawed as ish...but you keep saying the same thing over and over and over again...as if constantly repeating your flawed logic will somehow make it right.

joefrizzle · Post #57 » by **joefrizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:40 am

SixerFever215 wrote:76ers never offered the 10th pick, Dei Lynam reported we offered 3-10-32 that was 100 % false all the reports saying Philly was desperate for Wiggins were false. Yes Wiggins was #1 on there board, but when the got Embiid medical records they absouletly were comfortable drafting Embiid.

Boy, you guys sure throw it out there as a fact. We dont know if they were or not, but if they were, they sure as hell would deny it after the fact

joefrizzle · Post #58 » by **joefrizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:42 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
CLEVELAND'S OWN FARKING GM SAID IT WAS FALSE

(and you have the sack to complain about Kobble?)

*ignore*

And you expect him to let wiggins think that he wasnt HIS man? Come on dude, this is getting ridiculous. "We tried trading the pick to NOT take you Andrew, but we couldnt, so welcome to Cleveland!!!!"

Are you even thinking about what you are typing?

What POSSIBLE motivation would Cleveland's GM have to refute the report that the Sixers were willing to offer a king's ransom for the #1 pick...unless the report was true?

If you were Cleveland's GM, and if it was true that the Sixers offered what was reported, and you still took Wiggins...wouldn't you want to tell him that? If Wiggins comes to your office and asks...

Wiggins - wow...the Sixers offered you ALL THAT...and you still took me?

GM - of course, Andrew...you are the foundation of our franchise...

If you were the GM, wouldn't you WANT to say that if it were true? It would be an AWESOME way to start the Wiggins era...right?

But it WASN'T true. And that is why - when Woj pointed out that it wasn't true - that Cleveland's GM had to confirm that it wasn't true.

This is the ESSENCE of "ballboy" around here. Not only are you ignoring facts that do not support your narrative, even the logic that you are trying to use to support your argument is flawed as ish...but you keep saying the same thing over and over and over again...as if constantly repeating your flawed logic will somehow make it right.

Facts? FACTS? Guy, you are delusional, I cant do this with you anymore

joefrizzle · Post #59 » by **joefrizzle** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:43 am

Cokeleaf wrote:
joefrizzle wrote:
Cokeleaf wrote:
I can see both sides to this argument.

Im glad you do, cause I thought I was in an episode of the Twilight Zone for a minute there

We cant forget about the social relations side that GMs Sam and David have to up uphold. Players have to feel appreciated and wanted. This all starts at the management and owner level

Absolutely!!!

P2K · Post #60 » by **P2K** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:44 am

Sitting Embiid out a full season and letting him heal up fully doesn't mean anything. When you are a serious injury risk as he is, you can be like new money out there on the court and all it takes is one false step or one quick turn and all of a sudden....out for the season. That's what happens to injury-prone players.