kidd will get fired (power struggle in Nets front office)

[JayMKE]

Tampering is basically impossible to prove unless there is some sort of smoking gun, the NBA does not have subpoena power. Kidd and Lasry could have the inside knowledge that they didn't tell the league about with AK, that could get really bad for you guys. If you bring tampering charges against us then it would probably end the same way your charge did, unless you have definitive proof there aint anything anybody can do.

Or they could have absolutely nothing at all on Kirilenko and the Nets and you brought this topic out of the depths of your ass. The topic here is if Lasry and Kidd colluded. How does that look for those two if they're found guilty of tampering, they just start yelling "AK! AK! AK!". Not even Silver would take them seriously at that point.

lol maybe they do maybe they don't. You guys are the ones advocating trying to strong arm us into giving up a 1st, if the Bucks could levy an even egregious accusation back then why wouldn't it be relevant? The NBA found nothing because there isn't anything they can find, they interview people but they don't have to tell the truth. You can only get caught tampering if there is definitive proof. Like I said, do you guys have NSA metadata? Maybe Russia has been spying on us too, who knows.

[Rich Rane]

lol maybe they do maybe they don't. You guys are the ones advocating trying to strong arm us into giving up a 1st, if the Bucks could levy an even egregious accusation back then why wouldn't it be relevant? The NBA found nothing because they isn't anything they can find, they interview people but they don't have to the truth. You can only get caught tampering if there is definitive proof. Like I said, do you guys have NSA metadata? Maybe Russia has been spying on us too, who knows.

Right, who knows. Maybe a certain ballboy no one will believe will be the first to leak it out. Nothing has to be settled soon for the Nets. Nets can re-assign Kidd now for the time being and still hire a new coach and still demand compensation for being let out of his contract.

[machu46]

Wait, are you actually trying to argue that Silver can just make teams forfeit their draft picks whenever he pleases for no reason at all? I'm pretty sure they'd have to have some sort of proof that tampering occurred, not just having a feeling lol. Can you imagine the **** storm that would ensue if Silver came out and announced Milwaukee would be forfeiting their draft picks to Brooklyn just because? The owners would mutiny.

If his investigation points out to tampering, why the hell not? It wouldn't be as worse as a team owning the league and denying a trade due to "basketball reasons".

The point is if Bucks want this to be gone and to have their man, either settle and put up the 1st round pick and get their man or don't and still risk having the league look further into this with tampering charges from the Nets anyway.

Yeah, if the investigation proves that tampering occurred, then Milwaukee could be punished (though it would likely just be a fine as mentioned previously), but that isn't what you said. You said that if Silver just feels like there might have been without any proof, that he can punish Milwaukee. That's just silly.

My guess is that if Brooklyn had proof of tampering, the process wouldn't be dragging out this way. The Russian seems like the kinda guy that would simply slam his fist and say Milwaukee can give up a 1st round pick or he'll drag the NBA into it. Milwaukee wouldn't be so adamant that if Brooklyn doesn't accept a 2nd round pick, they'll simply walk away if they were concerned about a tampering case.

[RRyder823]

Considering that every sign of tampering that has been throwing out here are nothing more then conspiracy theories at this point and nothing more unless some new information not previously known comes to light you should take the 2nd round pick n run. I'm not a big fan of the idea of bringing Kidd to the Bucks but if the Nets think they're going to get a 1st from all this then they're only fooling themselves.

Not only are there recent examples of tampering not ending with draft picks being taken away but something a lot of fans on this board are forgetting is that even if tampering did occur, I'm not sure it did but it is possible, then the Nets would still have to be able to PROVE that it happened. Something that seems like a near impossibility with the info that's been released so far. Also in this situation Silver would have to be convinced that it took place with the evidence to back it up in order to send a 1st round pick from the Bucks to the Nets. Does anyone think it would be a good PR move for the league to force the small market Bucks to send a 1st rounder to the Nets after Phil just a few weeks ago and then be proven wrong? That'd just be bad business

Like I said I'm enjoying all the "theories" that Nets fans have put out there but seriously you need to temper that until there actual evidence to back up a claim to a 1st rounder. And like I noted above you'll need a smoking gun to make that happen because I hate to burst the bubble but all you got are the conspiracy theories but you'll need a lot more then that

[JayMKE]

lol maybe they do maybe they don't. You guys are the ones advocating trying to strong arm us into giving up a 1st, if the Bucks could levy an even egregious accusation back then why wouldn't it be relevant? The NBA found nothing because they isn't anything they can find, they interview people but they don't have to the truth. You can only get caught tampering if there is definitive proof. Like I said, do you guys have NSA metadata? Maybe Russia has been spying on us too, who knows.

Right, who knows. Maybe a certain ballboy no one will believe will be the first to leak it out. Nothing has to be settled soon for the Nets. Nets can re-assign Kidd now for the time being and still hire a new coach and still demand compensation for being let out of his contract.

and the Bucks are ready to move on, while you guys get stuck with a major headache and a guy who probably won't take it laying down. Kidd is a revered figure among players, he personally recruited a lot of the guys on the Nets correct? What will they think about the Russians playing this vindictive game with a HOFer? Lebron is friends with Kidd, what do you think his opinion on this matter is? You'd probably hear it. The union would probably have some things to say. It's not really not worth it, it makes you guys looked like a scorned ex-gf. The fact that the Bucks are offering anything is pretty gracious when the bridges have been burned and in all likelihood Kidd would be fired eventually.

[Rich Rane]

Yeah, if the investigation proves that tampering occurred, then Milwaukee could be punished (though it would likely just be a fine as mentioned previously), but that isn't what you said. You said that if Silver just feels like there might have been without any proof, that he can punish Milwaukee. That's just silly.

My guess is that if Brooklyn had proof of tampering, the process wouldn't be dragging out this way. The Russian seems like the kinda guy that would simply slam his fist and say Milwaukee can give up a 1st round pick or he'll drag the NBA into it. Milwaukee wouldn't be so adamant that if Brooklyn doesn't accept a 2nd round pick, they'll simply walk away if they were concerned about a tampering case.

The point now is to settle this without the league who would take time with their investigation so both teams could move on. If Milwaukee doesn't want to do that without giving Brooklyn that compensation, I doubt Brooklyn cares much either and lets the league look into it.

Just because Prokhorov is Russian doesn't mean he's Ivan Drago. He's calm, collected, and calculating for the most part.

and the Bucks are ready to move on, while you guys get stuck with a major headache and a guy who probably won't take it laying down. Kidd is a revered figure among players, he personally recruited a lot of the guys on the Nets correct? What will they think about the Russians playing this vindictive game with a HOFer? Lebron is friends with Kidd, what do you think his opinion on this matter is? You'd probably hear it. The union would probably have some things to say. It's not really not worth it, it makes you guys looked like a scorned ex-gf. The fact that the Bucks are offering anything is pretty gracious when the bridges have been burned and in all likelihood Kidd would be fired eventually.

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[randy84]

lol maybe they do maybe they don't. You guys are the ones advocating trying to strong arm us into giving up a 1st, if the Bucks could levy an even egregious accusation back then why wouldn't it be relevant? The NBA found nothing because they isn't anything they can find, they interview people but they don't have to the truth. You can only get caught tampering if there is definitive proof. Like I said, do you guys have NSA metadata? Maybe Russia has been spying on us too, who knows.

Right, who knows. Maybe a certain ballboy no one will believe will be the first to leak it out. Nothing has to be settled soon for the Nets. Nets can re-assign Kidd now for the time being and still hire a new coach and still demand compensation for being let out of his contract.

He can't be "re-assigned" as it would be a breach of his contract. He was hired to be head coach, he doesn't have an obligation under the contract to perform another duty other than head coach.

[Rich Rane]

lol maybe they do maybe they don't. You guys are the ones advocating trying to strong arm us into giving up a 1st, if the Bucks could levy an even egregious accusation back then why wouldn't it be relevant? The NBA found nothing because they isn't anything they can find, they interview people but they don't have to the truth. You can only get caught tampering if there is definitive proof. Like I said, do you guys have NSA metadata? Maybe Russia has been spying on us too, who knows.

Right, who knows. Maybe a certain ballboy no one will believe will be the first to leak it out. Nothing has to be settled soon for the Nets. Nets can re-assign Kidd now for the time being and still hire a new coach and still demand compensation for being let out of his contract.

He can't be "re-assigned" as it would be a breach of his contract. He was hired to be head coach, he doesn't have an obligation under the contract to perform another duty other than head coach.

Source? Personnel have always been promoted and demoted. Even Dumars was demoted from President Of Basketball Operations to an adviser.

[randy84]

Right, who knows. Maybe a certain ballboy no one will believe will be the first to leak it out. Nothing has to be settled soon for the Nets. Nets can re-assign Kidd now for the time being and still hire a new coach and still demand compensation for being let out of his contract.

He can't be "re-assigned" as it would be a breach of his contract. He was hired to be head coach, he doesn't have an obligation under the contract to perform another duty other than head coach.

Source? Personnel have always been promoted and demoted. Even Dumars was demoted from President Of Basketball Operations to an adviser.

Dumars wasn't demoted, his contract wasn't renewed.

[AngryPistonsGuy]

He can't be "re-assigned" as it would be a breach of his contract. He was hired to be head coach, he doesn't have an obligation under the contract to perform another duty other than head coach.

Source? Personnel have always been promoted and demoted. Even Dumars was demoted from President Of Basketball Operations to an adviser.

Dumars wasn't demoted, his contract wasn't renewed.

Also, he stepped down by choice and was given an advisory role elsewhere in the organization.

[Rich Rane]

He can't be "re-assigned" as it would be a breach of his contract. He was hired to be head coach, he doesn't have an obligation under the contract to perform another duty other than head coach.

Source? Personnel have always been promoted and demoted. Even Dumars was demoted from President Of Basketball Operations to an adviser.

Dumars wasn't demoted, his contract wasn't renewed.

You're right. What about Glen Grunwald or that guy from the Clippers? Personnel can be re-assigned. Where does it say a head coach can't?

[wichmae]

Sounds like its a 2nd rounder or no deal. No evidence of "tampering" suggested anywhere. Or any suggestion that the timeline wasnt followed as described. Multiple reports starting to surface suggesting exactly no evidence of this threat of tampering transpired. No inquisitions have been filed to league office as well. Now that we can move beyond this 1st rounder ordeal. I hope a resolution one way or the other comes soon for both parties.

"If the Nets agree then there will be a deal, if they don't then [the Bucks] are comfortable moving on and there will be nothing further to talk about," said the source. "The only thing (the Bucks) would give them is a second-round pick. They want a first. In the next 24 hours, there will either be a deal or there won't be a deal."

The source said the Bucks only talked to Kidd about being the coach, not any kind of administrative position running basketball operations. The source said the negotiation was supposed to be between the owners, not involving any basketball personnel, before the story was leaked out by the New York Post. But the source said the negotiations are now being handled by Bucks general manager John Hammond and Nets GM Billy King.

Sources said Bucks co-owners Marc Lasry and Wes Edens met with Kidd on Friday in New York City after asking for and receiving permission to talk to Kidd a few days before last Thursday's NBA draft.

Lasry was familiar with Kidd and had a previous relationship but Edens did not. The source said Kidd told the owners that he would like to have the job. The source said Kidd was intrigued by coaching a young, rebuilding team that just added the No. 2 pick in the draft in Duke's Jabari Parker and was looking for the challenge.

[wichmae]

Source? Personnel have always been promoted and demoted. Even Dumars was demoted from President Of Basketball Operations to an adviser.

Dumars wasn't demoted, his contract wasn't renewed.

You're right. What about Glen Grunwald or that guy from the Clippers? Personnel can be re-assigned. Where does it say a head coach can't?

Depends on how the contract is structured. Assistants can be assigned where their skills are deemed necessary. I believe youre thinking of Elgin Baylor. He was never reassigned. Just not allowed to do his job as VP of basketball OP's. Grunwald was promoted to executive VP of basketball OPs and then reassigned to an advisory role when Steve Mills was hired.

[Hello Brooklyn]

LOL you Bucks fans are so delusional. Were not taking your 2nd round pick.

If you want Kidd you should give us a 1st. Just like the Clippers gave for Doc. Were not gonna give up our head coach for nothing?

Im perfectly happy demoting Kidd, and having him do nothing. You act like we care. We don't.

[Nowak008]

Nice work Carl! The Bucks board has been getting insider info from posters for 10 years. No big deal.

[JayMKE]

LOL you Bucks fans are so delusional. Were not taking your 2nd round pick.

If you want Kidd you should give us a 1st. Just like the Clippers gave for Doc. Were not gonna give up our head coach for nothing?

Im perfectly happy demoting Kidd, and having him do nothing. You act like we care. We don't.

Who is delusional? You are the guys throwing around tampering accusations and acting like a jilted ex-gf wanting to pay out Kidd's contract just to stop him from leaving. It's a fantasy that you can demote Kidd and go on as business as usual, good luck with that. I'm sure your team is going to be just fine! Will totally make the playoffs and have a healthy locker room. The Bucks will move on none the worse for wear.

[deepblueday]

this is surreal to the point of hilarity. is jason kidd really fighting his way out of NY for milwaukee? going from a young head coach in the biggest market in the world to take over one of the worst short and long term situations in the NBA? i mean, we know kidds dumb, really dumb, but can his people not see whats coming? what this will inevitably lead to? a year and a half of being totally irrelevant, followed by the privilege of being let go by the bucks. sad... i actually do think he had potential, but i'd actually bet money at this point that his coaching career is over once he quietly fails in mil.

[machu46]

this is surreal to the point of hilarity. is jason kidd really fighting his way out of NY for milwaukee? going from a young head coach in the biggest market in the world to take over one of the worst short and long term situations in the NBA? i mean, we know kidds dumb, really dumb, but can his people not see whats coming? what this will inevitably lead to? a year and a half of being totally irrelevant, followed by the privilege of being let go by the bucks. sad... i actually do think he had potential, but i'd actually bet money at this point that his coaching career is over once he quietly fails in mil.

What makes Milwaukee one of the worst long term situations in the NBA? Hell, I don't even understand how it would be one of the worst short-term situations in the league. It's not like Milwaukee would be hiring him with playoff expectations in his first few years. Milwaukee offers a chance to grow as a coach while the team itself grows as well, and also offers him the security of working for one of his good friends.

[Freddie Mitch]

lol I don't get it from the Nets point of view. a 2015 2nd round draft pick will likely be a high 2nd rounder since the bucks are likely to suck again next year. a high 2nd round pick is a lot better than nothing. if you guys are just going to demote Jason Kidd or tell him to stay away from the team to "punish" him then why not get something back in return?

it doesn't seem like you Nets fans, or the organization for that matter have high opinions about him, and its not like he set the world on fire with his coaching last year. Absolutely no chance the Bucks are foolish enough to give away a 1st round pick for that crap, especially since there is no evidence about the possibility of tampering. Like a poster above me said, if there was evidence and the Nets are trying to strong arm the bucks the 1st rounder would've been offered already.

[deepblueday]

this is surreal to the point of hilarity. is jason kidd really fighting his way out of NY for milwaukee? going from a young head coach in the biggest market in the world to take over one of the worst short and long term situations in the NBA? i mean, we know kidds dumb, really dumb, but can his people not see whats coming? what this will inevitably lead to? a year and a half of being totally irrelevant, followed by the privilege of being let go by the bucks. sad... i actually do think he had potential, but i'd actually bet money at this point that his coaching career is over once he quietly fails in mil.

What makes Milwaukee one of the worst long term situations in the NBA? Hell, I don't even understand how it would be one of the worst short-term situations in the league. It's not like Milwaukee would be hiring him with playoff expectations in his first few years. Milwaukee offers a chance to grow as a coach while the team itself grows as well, and also offers him the security of working for one of his good friends.

no money, no fans, a **** town, no good players, no prospect of acquiring any good players, and no chance of keeping the ones that you might happen to draft? that enough reasons for you? there is no chance kidd smoothly rides out three years of miserable losing... either theres no progress... likely. after a year or so, theres some progress, but delusional fans/owners think there should be more and its the coaches fault... possible. or kidd just absolutely flames out and wraps his car around a tree again... hope not.