Hawks Cap Situation for 2014 FA

xccelerate · Post #1 » by **xccelerate** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:44 am

1. Al Horford --- $12,000,000
2. Paul Millsap --- $9,500,000
3. Jeff Teague --- $8,000,000
4. Kyle Korver --- $6,253,521
5. DeMarre Carroll --- $2,442,455
6. Dennis Schröder --- $1,690,680
7. Adreian Payne --- $1,546,100
8. John Jenkins --- $1,312,920
9. Pero Antic --- $1,250,000 (non-guaranteed, guaranteed after July 15)
John Salmons --- $1,000,000
10. Mike Muscala --- $816,482 (50% guaranteed, guaranteed after January 10th)
11. Mike Scott QO --- $1,115,243
12. Shelvin Mack QO --- $1,148,163
13. Free Agent

Total w/QO = $48,075,564
Space w/QO = $15,124,436
Space (minus Antic) w/QO = $16,374,436

Total w/o QO = $45,812,158
Space w/o QO = $16,880,506
Space (minus Antic) w/o QO = $17,623,170

Will fix mistakes when pointed out.

theatlfan · Post #2 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:00 am

I posted this in the other thread, but I think it's very apparent why we did this deal - with the 10 guys you have listed plus the QOs to Scott and Mack, we'll have ~$15.125M in cap room. The max to a guy with 0-6 years experience is ~$14.882M. It's very obvious that we wanted enough breathing room to offer a young player a max contract. At this point, the bigger question is who?

Post #3 » by **Hawk Eye** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:02 am

theatlfan wrote:I posted this in the other thread, but I think it's very apparent why we did this deal - with the 10 guys you have listed plus the QOs to Scott and Mack, we'll have ~$15.125M in cap room. The max to a guy with 0-6 years experience is ~$14.882M. It's very obvious that we wanted enough breathing room to offer a young player a max contract. At this point, the bigger question is who?

@WojYahooNBA: One strong candidate for that $15M-plus of fresh salary cap space in Atlanta, league sources tell Yahoo: Free agent forward Luol Deng.

xccelerate · Post #4 » by **xccelerate** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:10 am

Prestonmott wrote:
theatlfan wrote:I posted this in the other thread, but I think it's very apparent why we did this deal - with the 10 guys you have listed plus the QOs to Scott and Mack, we'll have ~$15.125M in cap room. The max to a guy with 0-6 years experience is ~$14.882M. It's very obvious that we wanted enough breathing room to offer a young player a max contract. At this point, the bigger question is who?

@WojYahooNBA: One strong candidate for that $15M-plus of fresh salary cap space in Atlanta, league sources tell Yahoo: Free agent forward Luol Deng.

I hope not. I would prefer like a Gortat + Evan Turner kind of thing, if that's possible.

SBM · Post #5 » by **SBM** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:12 am

Mike Scott and Mack are getting qualifying offers so the calculations are not legit.

theatlfan · Post #6 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:27 am

SBM wrote:Mike Scott and Mack are getting qualifying offers so the calculations are not legit.

For their particular situations, QO = cap hold.

theatlfan · Post #7 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:33 am

Prestonmott wrote:
theatlfan wrote:I posted this in the other thread, but I think it's very apparent why we did this deal - with the 10 guys you have listed plus the QOs to Scott and Mack, we'll have ~$15.125M in cap room. The max to a guy with 0-6 years experience is ~$14.882M. It's very obvious that we wanted enough breathing room to offer a young player a max contract. At this point, the bigger question is who?

@WojYahooNBA: One strong candidate for that $15M-plus of fresh salary cap space in Atlanta, league sources tell Yahoo: Free agent forward Luol Deng.

Agree with xccelerate in that Deng would suck, but I also feel that there's a little bit of connecting the dots here. "League Source" <> "someone inside Hawks' FO". I can see an outsider thinking this would be our target, but I also wouldn't think that someone with the Deng's tread would need us to clear this much cap room to sign either.

PandaKidd · Post #8 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:50 am

The Deng rumor came from Deng's agent. We are not offering him max money.

I think we are going to make a run at melo then when that doesn't work out go to the drawing board and pursue Haywood Deng etc.

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atlantabbq99 · Post #9 » by **atlantabbq99** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:01 am

PandaKidd wrote:The Deng rumor came from Deng's agent. We are not offering him max money.

I think we are going to make a run at melo then when that doesn't work out go to the drawing board and pursue Haywood Deng etc.

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I agree.... last year, plan A for Ferry was go after Dwight and Chris Paul, that didn't work so his plan B was to get Millsap on a short term contract.

Ferry might also offer a big two year contract to Deng as his plan B.

The question is not weather Ferry is going to succeed , the question is if he is going to do it or try it.

xccelerate · Post #10 » by **xccelerate** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:09 am

theatlfan wrote:The max to a guy with 0-6 years experience is ~$14.882M. It's very obvious that we wanted enough breathing room to offer a young player a max contract. At this point, the bigger question is who?

I don't think it's for a young player. Only possibilites I can think off the top of my head are Bledsoe, Hayword, and Parsons.

Bledsoe's too injury prone.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... y-to-match Seems like Utah will match anything.

I guess that leaves Parsons.

theatlfan · Post #11 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:19 am

xccelerate wrote:
theatlfan wrote:The max to a guy with 0-6 years experience is ~$14.882M. It's very obvious that we wanted enough breathing room to offer a young player a max contract. At this point, the bigger question is who?

I don't think it's for a young player. Only possibilites I can think off the top of my head are Bledsoe, Hayword, and Parsons.

Bledsoe's too injury prone.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... y-to-match Seems like Utah will match anything.

I guess that leaves Parsons.

The one guy I keep coming back to is Stephenson. Not saying I'm in love with him and his antics - both on and off the court - but in terms of a player, I could see him fitting in here. He could be our #1 perimeter defender, a 2nd penetrator with Teague, an unselfish perimeter player who'll move the ball around the horn, an elite rebounder for his position - the stat stuffer that we've craved in a wing all year. He's a UFA so IND doesn't get the right to match and they wouldn't want to go into the LT anyway. If he can a) develop his jumper from "you can't leave him open out there" to being an actual threat (something Coach Bud can help with) and b) take the step into being a #1 option (something that I think our loose locker room may help with), then I can see him being a legit superstar down the line. Will his head allow that to happen? It's a legit question.

azuresou1 · Post #12 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:31 am

Lance is like the polar opposite of a SAS-type player. He is WAAAY too volatile for me to offer anything more than a 2 year/$16M deal with the second year being a team option. Someone else will offer better than that.

Parsons could be an interesting option. Not sure he's a complete player though, and his defense is kind of suspect. TBQH I suspect we might get worse starting him over DMC. In any case I'd toss a marginal offer at him and let the market overbid for him.

I will take back every good thing I ever said about Ferry if we sign Deng at anything more than $3M.

I like Hayward a lot as a complementary guy, and of all the non-Bron/Melo guys he's my preferred target. I think the Jazz will match all reasonable offers though, which means that you'd need to overpay to get him - which you CAN'T do for complementary guys.

Bledsoe is.... ehhh. He is quietly quite injury prone, and I don't know if you quite want him as your 'star'.... shades of Eric Gordon on that one.

atlantabbq99 · Post #13 » by **atlantabbq99** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:34 am

I don't want anything to do with Stephenson, i don't care if he can average 30ppg. The guy has like no honor among players. I actually have no problems with guys like Rasheed Wallace, Josh Smith, Zach Randolph, Ron Artest, Dennis Rodman.... these guys might complain and have a big mouth, but they do have a certain honor with other players. Stephenson is just a unique douchebag i don't want anything apart of.

xccelerate · Post #14 » by **xccelerate** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:44 am

theatlfan wrote:The one guy I keep coming back to is Stephenson. Not saying I'm in love with him and his antics - both on and off the court - but in terms of a player, I could see him fitting in here. He could be our #1 perimeter defender, a 2nd penetrator with Teague, an unselfish perimeter player who'll move the ball around the horn, an elite rebounder for his position - the stat stuffer that we've craved in a wing all year. He's a UFA so IND doesn't get the right to match and they wouldn't want to go into the LT anyway. If he can a) develop his jumper from "you can't leave him open out there" to being an actual threat (something Coach Bud can help with) and b) take the step into being a #1 option (something that I think our loose locker room may help with), then I can see him being a legit superstar down the line. Will his head allow that to happen? It's a legit question.

I would be down with Lance at a reasonable price. Coach Bud hasn't had to deal with personalities here in Atlanta though, if ever.

I can just imagine, God forbid, Horford getting hurt and losing 14 out of 15 like we did in February. Only this time, a well paid Lance is in the locker room....

Post #15 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:04 am

No to Stephenson, he has the potential to be the kind of cancer that can tear a locker room apart.

theatlfan · Post #16 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:55 am

I agree with everyone on Stephenson's faults, but we also have to understand Stephenson's strengths. The fact is that building through FA in the NBA is a tough task - not only are there salary limitations, but the league wants players to stay with the team who drafted them and has given the teams rights that other teams simply can't match. If you're going to come out of FA with a top notch player, then either a) that player has to be in a highly unique situation where the player simply would prefer to leave than to stay or b) you have to take some risks. As much as I can respect the consistent double, it won't win championships - not for a team lacking in star/s as we are. IF Lebron is listening to us, then of course, ditch whatever other pokers you have in the fire and do the needful to land him. If he isn't, then is it better to bet the house on black or just sit in front of a penny slot machine? That's the question I keep asking myself in regards to Lance...

Post #17 » by **dms269** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:03 pm

Remember that San Antonio has kinda been the place that troubled players have gone to rebuild themselves...aka sjax.

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azuresou1 · Post #18 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:24 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:Remember that San Antonio has kinda been the place that troubled players have gone to rebuild themselves...aka sjax.

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Well Duncan apparently called SJax the ultimate teammate, and his faults have largely been off the court troubles, not on court stuff.

PandaKidd · Post #19 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:52 pm

CAP experts

How does the signing to the Luxury tax work? If the cap is 63 million, Luxury tax is 77 million, you cant just sign someone arbitrarily from 63 ---> 77 right? It has to be a certain type of contract correct?

Meaning you a team cant just say SCREW IT and start signing 20 million dollar max players over and over and just pay the tax right?

Can Miami build their team sans Lebron, and then just sign his deal at the end to go over the luxury tax?

D21 · Post #20 » by **D21** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:56 pm

PandaKidd wrote:Can Miami build their team sans Lebron, and then just sign his deal at the end to go over the luxury tax?

If they sign other players up to 63M, it means they have renounce his Bird rights, so they can Use Room MLE at best for him