Any interest in Kevin Martin or Jeff Green? (DET/BOS/MIN)

[Temuhjan]

Maurice Harkless shoots 46.4% and 38.3% from the field and the 3-point range respectively last season. Tell me if that's not good numbers.

Okay, a 'shooter' is someone who shoots and makes jumps shots, not lay-ups or dunks. Last year Harkless scored about 87% of his points right at the basket, shooting lay-ups or dunks; he only took 31 2-pt jumpers outside the paint last year, and he made 29% of them. He's a great athlete and has been pretty successful as a finisher at the rim (61% over the last couple years) but he's a very bad jumpshooter.'

Maurice Harkless took 154 of his 483 shots last year from the 3-point line. That's 32% of his shot attempts and he is converting 38.3% of them.

Like you say, Mo does not take that many long 2's, but that does not make him any less of a shooter given his range.

Anyway, the main point is: the Team can use Orlando as a trading partner to offload J-Smoove.

[HotelVitale]

Maurice Harkless shoots 46.4% and 38.3% from the field and the 3-point range respectively last season. Tell me if that's not good numbers.

Okay, a 'shooter' is someone who shoots and makes jumps shots, not lay-ups or dunks. Last year Harkless scored about 87% of his points right at the basket, shooting lay-ups or dunks; he only took 31 2-pt jumpers outside the paint last year, and he made 29% of them. He's a great athlete and has been pretty successful as a finisher at the rim (61% over the last couple years) but he's a very bad jumpshooter.'

Maurice Harkless took 154 of his 483 shots last year from the 3-point line. That's 32% of his shot attempts and he is converting 38.3% of them.
Like you say, Mo does not take that many long 2's, but that does not make him any less of a shooter given his range.

The 3's are encouraging but they scream anomaly; he shot 27% from 3 the year before and he's shot 21% on 2-pt jumpers both years. Also, 'long 2s' are very different from '2-pt jumpshots.' The former are shots that are around 18-23 ft and are generally considered the lowest efficiency shot (although guys like Dirk and Jamal Crawford shoot them a lot with good efficiency). The latter is ANY jump shot in the arc, even if it's from 5-6 ft away. Harkless has shot around 25% on the latter over his career.

Look, there's no way that it makes any sense to say to a NBA fan that Elfrid Payton, Oladipo, Mo Harkless, and Aaron Gordon are a great shooting line-up that could easily absorb another bad shooter. I think maybe you took a sarcastic tweet seriously around the draft? Lots of writers mocked the Magic for picking Payton/Gordon when the rest of their team is so weak at shooting. Pointing out that Harkless was average from a few spots on the court (and terrible elsewhere) during one season isn't going to make that point more viable. Just back off it and come at your point from another angle.

[Temuhjan]

Maurice Harkless shoots 46.4% and 38.3% from the field and the 3-point range respectively last season. Tell me if that's not good numbers.

Maurice Harkless took 154 of his 483 shots last year from the 3-point line. That's 32% of his shot attempts and he is converting 38.3% of them.

Like you say, Mo does not take that many long 2's, but that does not make him any less of a shooter given his range.

The 3's are encouraging but they scream anomaly; he shot 27% from 3 the year before and he's shot 21% on 2-pt jumpers both years. Also, 'long 2s' are very different from '2-pt jumpshots.'

C'mon, give me a break. It is normal for sophomores to shoot better than their rookie season. Mo is a sophomore. It is normal for him to shoot better than his rookie season. Oladipo is a rookie. He shot chart provides good reason for us to be optimistic about his sophomore year.

And besides, Mo shot 51.0% and 50.2% respectively from the 2-point range this year and last. I do not know where you got all your numbers about Mo shooting 21% from but they are way off. Give the boy his due credit.

[Notanoob]

Maurice Harkless shoots 46.4% and 38.3% from the field and the 3-point range respectively last season. Tell me if that's not good numbers.

Maurice Harkless took 154 of his 483 shots last year from the 3-point line. That's 32% of his shot attempts and he is converting 38.3% of them.

Like you say, Mo does not take that many long 2's, but that does not make him any less of a shooter given his range.

The 3's are encouraging but they scream anomaly; he shot 27% from 3 the year before and he's shot 21% on 2-pt jumpers both years. Also, 'long 2s' are very different from '2-pt jumpshots.'

C'mon, give me a break. It is normal for sophomores to shoot better than their rookie season. Mo is a sophomore. It is normal for him to shoot better than his rookie season. Oladipo is a rookie. He shot chart provides good reason for us to be optimistic about his sophomore year.

And besides, Mo shot 51.0% and 50.2% respectively from the 2-point range this year and last. I do not know where you got all your numbers about Mo shooting 21% from but they are way off. Give the boy his due credit.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ting/2013/
He shot 23.5% on jumpshots inside the ark his rookie year, and 27.4% on 3's. You're just looking at his 2P FG%, which includes jump shots, hook shots, dunks and layups-any shot inside the ark.

[Temuhjan]

The 3's are encouraging but they scream anomaly; he shot 27% from 3 the year before and he's shot 21% on 2-pt jumpers both years. Also, 'long 2s' are very different from '2-pt jumpshots.'

C'mon, give me a break. It is normal for sophomores to shoot better than their rookie season. Mo is a sophomore. It is normal for him to shoot better than his rookie season. Oladipo is a rookie. He shot chart provides good reason for us to be optimistic about his sophomore year.

And besides, Mo shot 51.0% and 50.2% respectively from the 2-point range this year and last. I do not know where you got all your numbers about Mo shooting 21% from but they are way off. Give the boy his due credit.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ting/2013/
He shot 23.5% on jumpshots inside the ark his rookie year, and 27.4% on 3's. You're just looking at his 2P FG%, which includes jump shots, hook shots, dunks and layups-any shot inside the ark.

Mo shot 51.0% from the 2 and 38.3% from the 3. That's what it counts. He pretty much ace all kinds of shots except jump shots. And even with jump shots, his accuracy has improved to 35.4% this year.

Now, how does all this mumbo-jumbo detracts from his ability to spread the floor for the Magic? More importantly, how does it detracts from the Team's hope in trading J-Smoove to the Magic?

[Notanoob]

So, Mo is good from the 3-point range (which he does 32% of the time) and pretty much all kinds of shots except jump shots. Now, how does it detracts from his ability to spread the floor for the Magic? More importantly, how does it detracts from the Team's hope in trading J-Smoove to the Magic?

I think that what Heisenberg was trying to suggest was that based on his long history of not shooting well, and his poor % on jumpers inside the ark, that his good 3P% last year was more of a result of variance going in his favor than really being a good shooter.

In any event, you need more than one guy who can shoot to space the floor successfully.

I also like to state that no one cares about a guys 3PA rate, that isn't a set thing, it changes regularly with a player's role. If you're trying to use it to say that his 3P% is legit, you should just use total volume instead.

[Temuhjan]

So, Mo is good from the 3-point range (which he does 32% of the time) and pretty much all kinds of shots except jump shots. Now, how does it detracts from his ability to spread the floor for the Magic? More importantly, how does it detracts from the Team's hope in trading J-Smoove to the Magic?

I think that what Heisenberg was trying to suggest was that based on his long history of not shooting well, and his poor % on jumpers inside the ark, that his good 3P% last year was more of a result of variance going in his favor than really being a good shooter.

In any event, you need more than one guy who can shoot to space the floor successfully.

I also like to state that no one cares about a guys 3PA rate, that isn't a set thing, it changes regularly with a player's role. If you're trying to use it to say that his 3P% is legit, you should just use total volume instead.

Mo shot 51.0% from the 2 and 38.3% from the 3. That's what it counts. He pretty much ace all kinds of shots except jump shots. And even with jump shots, his accuracy has improved to 35.4% this year.

I do not know how anyone can get any "long history" about Mo not shooting well since he is only a sophomore. His shots are not too good in his rookie year and they are significantly better this year. That's all we can say.

Now, how does all this mumbo-jumbo detracts from his ability to spread the floor for the Magic? More importantly, how does it detracts from the Team's hope in trading J-Smoove to the Magic?

[Notanoob]

Mo shot 51.0% from the 2 and 38.3% from the 3. That's what it counts. He pretty much ace all kinds of shots except jump shots. And even with jump shots, his accuracy has improved to 35.4% this year.

I do not know how anyone can get any "long history" about Mo not shooting well since he is only a sophomore. He shots are not too good in his rookie year and they are better this year. That's all we can say.

Now, how does all this mumbo-jumbo detracts from his ability to spread the floor for the Magic? More importantly, how does it detracts from the Team's hope in trading J-Smoove to the Magic?

Jump shots are what is important for spacing the floor, which is all that we're talking about here; his overall 2P% is meaningless.

I suppose long history is overstating it- he was a terrible shooter in college, 21.5% from 3, so he has a two year history of being a terrible jumpshooter. Not a long history, just a reputation.

But basically, he's been an awful shooter for two years, then shot well this year. Because he's been an awful shooter previously, it's fair to wonder if he'll continue to shoot well or if he'll regress. If he regresses, he won't be good at spacing the floor. If he stays around 36% at least, he'll space the floor just fine.

JSmoove seems redundant with Gordon, so I personally don't know why the Magic would trade for him.

Also, 'mumbo-jumob'? Really? What was so hard to understand?

[Temuhjan]

ump shots are what is important for spacing the floor, which is all that we're talking about here; his overall 2P% is meaningless.

I suppose long history is overstating it- he was a terrible shooter in college, 21.5% from 3, so he has a two year history of being a terrible jumpshooter. Not a long history, just a reputation.

But basically, he's been an awful shooter for two years, then shot well this year. Because he's been an awful shooter previously, it's fair to wonder if he'll continue to shoot well or if he'll regress. If he regresses, he won't be good at spacing the floor. If he stays around 36% at least, he'll space the floor just fine.

JSmoove seems redundant with Gordon, so I personally don't know why the Magic would trade for him.

Well.. it's sink or swim in the NBA. Maurice Harkless looks like one of those that swim. We should not put down a player for getting better than what his 'reputation' suggests.

In any case, Gordon is still very raw and is undersized to play the high post at the NBA level. Orlando still has a big hole to fill at the 4 and they have a desirable asset in the unguaranteed contract of Jameer Nelson to dangle. I agree this trade will help us more than it will help them, but what the heck!