kidd will get fired (power struggle in Nets front office)

Netaman · Post #541 » by **Netaman** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:48 pm

Could be wrong here, but I see no reason why the Nets don't hold out for a first. They gain nothing with 2nd round picks (they just bought 3 this year) and Kidd is the one with ZERO leverage, not them. He is under contract - point blank period.

They can very easily move on and hire any other coach and reassign him. Basically exactly what he did to Lawrence Frank and buy a few more seconds whenever they feel like it. And there is no pressure on them from a PR perspective as they can still go on interviewing coaches with the entire world talking about Kidd being a jerk, not them.

Kidd created this mess, now he has to live with it, and Billy King should not let it go away for a few valueless 2nd round pick. My guess is they're negotiating what the protections will be on a first as that's where this could certainly get tricky. Another interesting question is who is King negotiating with? Can't imagine the Bucks GM is happy about this entire scenario since he's essentially hiring his new boss at his owner's instruction.

MizterTea · Post #542 » by **MizterTea** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:03 pm

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machu46 · Post #543 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:10 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
Ayt wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483511509792735232[/tweet]

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Was he equally indignant when this has happened in the past like, say, last offseason with the same coach?

Who was this?

I think he's referring to the Atlanta Hawks interviewing and hiring Mike Budenholzer while Larry Drew was still employed by the team.

Chemthethriller · Post #544 » by **Chemthethriller** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:21 pm

How doesn't Kidd have leverage? With all the issues going on are you really going to continue to pay him to be your coach? If so, ok no problem MKE goes after someone else and you are stuck with an unhappy coach/front office. At least you get (your own) 2nd rounder back in a trade for him, and the option to get a coach that wants to be there.

machu46 · Post #545 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Chemthethriller wrote:How doesn't Kidd have leverage? With all the issues going on are you really going to continue to pay him to be your coach? If so, ok no problem MKE goes after someone else and you are stuck with an unhappy coach/front office. At least you get (your own) 2nd rounder back in a trade for him, and the option to get a coach that wants to be there.

This really depends on whether or not Brooklyn can demote him without it being a breach of contract. If they can, Kidd doesn't have any leverage at all.

Having said that, Brooklyn doesn't really have leverage over Milwaukee in this case. Milwaukee can just walk away and hire someone else if Brooklyn doesn't think taking Kidd off their hands for a 2nd round pick is enough.

And having said that, I'm not saying Milwaukee won't eventually cave and offer a protected 1st round pick. They could very well be stupid regarding all of this. But logically speaking, it would make zero sense for them to offer anything more than they already have.

Chemthethriller · Post #546 » by **Chemthethriller** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:31 pm

machu46 wrote:
Chemthethriller wrote:How doesn't Kidd have leverage? With all the issues going on are you really going to continue to pay him to be your coach? If so, ok no problem MKE goes after someone else and you are stuck with an unhappy coach/front office. At least you get (your own) 2nd rounder back in a trade for him, and the option to get a coach that wants to be there.

This really depends on whether or not Brooklyn can demote him without it being a breach of contract. If they can, Kidd doesn't have any leverage at all.

Having said that, Brooklyn doesn't really have leverage over Milwaukee in this case. Milwaukee can just walk away and hire someone else if Brooklyn doesn't think taking Kidd off their hands for a 2nd round pick is enough.

And having said that, I'm not saying Milwaukee won't eventually cave and offer a protected 1st round pick. They could very well be stupid regarding all of this. But logically speaking, it would make zero sense for them to offer anything more than they already have.

You are 100% correct, if Kidd can be demoted then BRK has the leverage, although I don't think Kidd would have acted up assuming he can be demoted.

machu46 · Post #547 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:32 pm

Chemthethriller wrote:
machu46 wrote:
Chemthethriller wrote:How doesn't Kidd have leverage? With all the issues going on are you really going to continue to pay him to be your coach? If so, ok no problem MKE goes after someone else and you are stuck with an unhappy coach/front office. At least you get (your own) 2nd rounder back in a trade for him, and the option to get a coach that wants to be there.

This really depends on whether or not Brooklyn can demote him without it being a breach of contract. If they can, Kidd doesn't have any leverage at all.

Having said that, Brooklyn doesn't really have leverage over Milwaukee in this case. Milwaukee can just walk away and hire someone else if Brooklyn doesn't think taking Kidd off their hands for a 2nd round pick is enough.

And having said that, I'm not saying Milwaukee won't eventually cave and offer a protected 1st round pick. They could very well be stupid regarding all of this. But logically speaking, it would make zero sense for them to offer anything more than they already have.

You are 100% correct, if Kidd can be demoted then BRK has the leverage, although I don't think Kidd would have acted up assuming he can be demoted.

Agreed, but despite the logic behind what you're saying, I feel like we pretty much have to throw logic out the window in this case lol. Nothing about this situation makes much sense.

Post #548 » by **NyCeEvO** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:35 pm

machu46 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
Ayt wrote:
Was he equally indignant when this has happened in the past like, say, last offseason with the same coach?

Who was this?

I think he's referring to the Atlanta Hawks interviewing and hiring Mike Budenholzer while Larry Drew was still employed by the team.

Didn't everyone know that Larry Drew was gone anyway.

The team picked up his option for the 2012-13 season, but they never started negotiations on a deal. We've seen plenty of organizations start preliminary scouting/planning for new coaches while their current coach is in the final days of his contract.

This is Larry Drew's first year in Milwaukee and this entire story clearly came out of left field.

But IMO I think it's obvious that Kidd doesn't want to be head coach. That's the way they're spinning it but it makes absolutely no sense.

If he really wanted to coach a team with players he could leave an impression on why not go to Cleveland? Coach up Kyrie, mold Wiggins into a star player, and use cap space and savvy deals to turn that team around.

Why breach your contract with a major market team and to get the same position with a smaller market team and kick out the coach who's already there? It doesn't make any sense.

What does make sense is ownership making a handshake agreement with Kidd because they're good friends and Kidd using that agreement as leverage against the Nets to get his way. Unfortunately for him it backfired and instead of trying to repair relationships with the GM and president, they can say Kidd wanted to be a coach.

Kidd as coach equals less compensation to the Nets and looks more justifiable because Drew didn't make the team better this season (or at least it can be argued that way) even though it makes less overall sense.

machu46 · Post #549 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:51 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
machu46 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
Who was this?

I think he's referring to the Atlanta Hawks interviewing and hiring Mike Budenholzer while Larry Drew was still employed by the team.

Didn't everyone know that Larry Drew was gone anyway.

The team picked up his option for the 2012-13 season, but they never started negotiations on a deal. We've seen plenty of organizations start preliminary scouting/planning for new coaches while their current coach is in the final days of his contract.

This is Larry Drew's first year in Milwaukee and this entire story clearly came out of left field.

But IMO I think it's obvious that Kidd doesn't want to be head coach. That's the way they're spinning it but it makes absolutely no sense.

If he really wanted to coach a team with players he could leave an impression on why not go to Cleveland? Coach up Kyrie, mold Wiggins into a star player, and use cap space and savvy deals to turn that team around.

Why breach your contract with a major market team and to get the same position with a smaller market team and kick out the coach who's already there? It doesn't make any sense.

What does make sense is ownership making a handshake agreement with Kidd because they're good friends and Kidd using that agreement as leverage against the Nets to get his way. Unfortunately for him it backfired and instead of trying to repair relationships with the GM and president, they can say Kidd wanted to be a coach.

Kidd as coach equals less compensation to the Nets and looks more justifiable because Drew didn't make the team better this season (or at least it can be argued that way) even though it makes less overall sense.

Regarding Drew, I think everyone assumed he would be gone, but everyone also assumed the same this time around. And for the record, Danny Ferry said that Atlanta would still possibly give Drew an extension while they were interviewing Budenholzer for the job.

I think Kidd went for a job with Milwaukee over Cleveland because:
1. Cleveland literally just hired their new coach?
2. Milwaukee's co-owner is friends with Kidd, which offers Kidd far more job security than going to Cleveland where they burn through coaches with reckless abandon.
3. Perhaps people think that Milwaukee is a better situation than Cleveland, much like Jabari and Dante Exum did.

Regarding the handshake agreement, I believe that if Brooklyn really believed it were tampering, things wouldn't be taking this long to unfold, and Milwaukee wouldn't be staying so strong on the fact that Brooklyn can take the 2nd round pick or Milwaukee will walk away. If Milwaukee had everything to lose here, I think they'd be a little more cautious about overplaying their hand.

Personally, I think there's a decent chance that Kidd just got paranoid about his job security with Brooklyn and pushed for more power so that it would be more difficult for them to fire him. Then everything reportedly blew up, and since he's going to be without a job, he then reached out to Milwaukee to try to find a job with them as a coach, where he will have a long leash and a possibility to be given more power in the coming years.

And I don't really buy the fact that hiring him as a coach decreases the compensation. The simple fact is that Brooklyn wants to get rid of Kidd, and they will get rid of him in one way or another. Whatever position he is actually being considered for doesn't really change the fact that Brooklyn wants him gone and is simply hoping to get something for him. I also find it hard to believe that Milwaukee would allow John Hammond to negotiate things if he was essentially negotiating to acquire his replacement.

My guess is that if Milwaukee does in fact get their hands on Kidd, he will be the head coach and will have some say in personnel moves, much like he reportedly had with Brooklyn before all of this happened, and that he will also get a massive raise.

Edit: Sounds like Milwaukee and Brooklyn have agreed on a deal. Two 2nd round picks.

NjNeTs1029 · Post #550 » by **NjNeTs1029** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:02 pm

looks like they agreed to two 2nd round picks. I was really hoping they got a 1st round pick out of all of this. At least its over though and we can go after a new coach.

Post #551 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:07 pm

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NjNeTs1029 wrote:looks like they agreed to two 2nd round picks. I was really hoping they got a 1st round pick out of all of this. At least its over though and we can go after a new coach.

Absolutely pathetic on King's part that he couldn't even get a protected 1st against a GM negotiating for a coach who might take his GM spot in a year.

Nets might as well fill the vacancy with Tom Thibodeau if all it costs are 2 2nd rounders.

machu46 · Post #552 » by **machu46** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:15 pm

And the 2015 2nd round pick is the one that Brooklyn traded to Milwaukee.

Ayt · Post #553 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:23 pm

Rich Rane wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483625749367099393[/tweet]

NjNeTs1029 wrote:looks like they agreed to two 2nd round picks. I was really hoping they got a 1st round pick out of all of this. At least its over though and we can go after a new coach.

Absolutely pathetic on King's part that he couldn't even get a protected 1st against a GM negotiating for a coach who might take his GM spot in a year.

Nets might as well fill the vacancy with Tom Thibodeau if all it costs are 2 2nd rounders.

I'm sure the Bucks owners would have totally been down with that.

BigWil17 · Post #554 » by **BigWil17** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:24 pm

My apologies for doubting carl without a history to back up that cynicism!

JMaine518 · Post #555 » by **JMaine518** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:30 pm

Carl please stick and break some more news!

isekii · Post #556 » by **isekii** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:38 pm

such a pathetic compensation package for this douche.
2 2nd rounders~ might as well let him rot for 3 years.

Post #557 » by **Froob** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:41 pm

Curious to know, will you guys be booing Kidd at Barclays from now on? I feel like he's tarnish his Nets career.

Ror1997 · Post #558 » by **Ror1997** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:49 pm

This is terrible by Billy King. Not only could he not get a first round pick, but he couldn't even get the Highest 2nd round pick. The bucks are going to have a 31-35 pick and the nets will have one of the last 15. Yet Billy decides to get back their 2nd rounder from the bucks. Smh

The nets bought #44 in a strong draft for 1 Mil and they got a worse pick for their HC?

Hello Brooklyn · Post #559 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:55 pm

Ror1997 wrote:This is terrible by Billy King. Not only could he not get a first round pick, but he couldn't even get the Highest 2nd round pick. The bucks are going to have a 31-35 pick and the nets will have one of the last 15. Yet Billy decides to get back their 2nd rounder from the bucks. Smh

The nets bought #44 in a strong draft for 1 Mil and they got a worse pick for their HC?

LOL you guys are so ridiculous.

There was no way, we were getting a lottery pick out of this. We did the best we could Kidd ****ed us.

I'd like to see you become a GM and do a better job.

Paradise · Post #560 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:58 pm

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