2014 Free Agency Thread

TheKingofSting2 · Post #1561 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:47 am

Sik Infant wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
8m on the cap but 14.5m in reality.

Whoever takes him in a salary dump to open up cap space for Melo/Lebron etc will be able to ask for the NOP pick plus another first rounder imo.

we need a backup PG and Lin equals a lot of revenue.

Revenue+need+assets equals a win imo.

I agree, I thought his cap hit would be a lot worse.

If we have no realistic chance at our main targets, which aside from Lance we probably won't, why not just delay our space for a year and use some of it on Kemba+Biz?

I'd rather maintain future flexibility over panic signings.

I would be fine with delaying our space for another year if it comes to it, I'd rather do that than panic and sign someone like Deng just for the sake of saying we signed someone.

Elden Payton · Post #1562 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:49 am

Most of the time, making a move for the sake of it, will be far worse than doing nothing.

BobsBuddy · Post #1563 » by **BobsBuddy** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:52 pm

After listening to all this speculation on Who we should bring in and how much,
I've decided just maybe we should go after some mid level free agents and stack
our bench so that we are 10 deep.
1.Sign Luol Deng and back him up with MKG at 3
2.Sign Mo Williams to backup Kemba
3.Sign MCBob to start... backup with Zellar
4.Let Al work with Vonleh as his backup.

Kw MO
Hendo Harrison Neal ( Play 2 forward 3 gaurd small ball at times)
Deng,Mkg,JT
McBob,Zellar,Vonleh
Al Biz

Sonrisen · Post #1564 » by **Sonrisen** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:37 pm

DO NOT WANT DENG, EVEN IF FOR FREE. A good, cheap, "under the radar" type that meets a need (3 point shooting) is James Jones.

BobsBuddy wrote::sleep: After listening to all this speculation on Who we should bring in and how much,
I've decided just maybe we should go after some mid level free agents and stack
our bench so that we are 10 deep.
1.Sign Luol Deng and back him up with MKG at 3
2.Sign Mo Williams to backup Kemba
3.Sign MCBob to start... backup with Zellar
4.Let Al work with Vonleh as his backup.

Kw MO
Hendo Harrison Neal ( Play 2 forward 3 gaurd small ball at times)
Deng,Mkg,JT
McBob,Zellar,Vonleh
Al Biz

Bassman · Post #1565 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:00 pm

Deng will get a bigger contract than most here think. There are a number of teams with big money out there. Once Melo and the big 3 are settled, sights will get set on next level pros like Deng. Lance and Deng will likely pull $10M+ deals. That is why we must go strong after a prized FA like Lance. If he stays at Indiana, we turn our attention to complimentary players and retain cap space for future flexibility. I do not want Deng as he will be too expensive.

Elden Payton · Post #1566 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:03 pm

If possible, as much as I don't like Lance, could we offer him 12/10/8/6 at an average of 9m per?

The way it is structured would make it hard for the Pacers to retain him imo.

Still not too expensive, though I don't want us to offer him more than 8m, I believe Indy would give him that in a heartbeat.

MasterIchiro · Post #1567 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:12 pm

Bassman wrote:Deng will get a bigger contract than most here think. There are a number of teams with big money out there. Once Melo and the big 3 are settled, sights will get set on next level pros like Deng. Lance and Deng will likely pull $10M+ deals. That is why we must go strong after a prized FA like Lance. If he stays at Indiana, we turn our attention to complimentary players and retain cap space for future flexibility. I do not want Deng as he will be too expensive.

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MasterIchiro · Post #1568 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:14 pm

Cho has cleared 20 million in cap space - not for nothing. I highly doubt they pass on a major signing/move. They already tried to move Henderson for Afflalo. They're not finished folks, not by a long shot.

MasterIchiro · Post #1569 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:17 pm

Deng's market is said to be 10-12 million with the Hawks being the most interested team.

Hayward turned down 10 million/season and the Suns are said to be considering a max deal for him.

Parsons' stock is also on the rise.

None of these guys are cheap but we can't go into the year with all these teams improving and us staying the same.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1570 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:23 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Deng's market is said to be 10-12 million with the Hawks being the most interested team.

Hayward turned down 10 million/season and the Suns are said to be considering a max deal for him.

Parsons' stock is also on the rise.

None of these guys are cheap but we can't go into the year with all these teams improving and us staying the same.

What happened to your undying lovefest for Lance Stephenson that you had over a month ago?

MasterIchiro · Post #1571 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:26 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Deng's market is said to be 10-12 million with the Hawks being the most interested team.

Hayward turned down 10 million/season and the Suns are said to be considering a max deal for him.

Parsons' stock is also on the rise.

None of these guys are cheap but we can't go into the year with all these teams improving and us staying the same.

What happened to your undying lovefest for Lance Stephenson that you had over a month ago?

Who says I don't love Lance? They tried to bring in Afflalo so obviously Lance is not their top guy. Then after the draft Clifford hinted at wanting to add a scorer who can play multiple positions - so I'm looking into Gordon Hayward. We'll see.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1572 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:30 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Deng's market is said to be 10-12 million with the Hawks being the most interested team.

Hayward turned down 10 million/season and the Suns are said to be considering a max deal for him.

Parsons' stock is also on the rise.

None of these guys are cheap but we can't go into the year with all these teams improving and us staying the same.

What happened to your undying lovefest for Lance Stephenson that you had over a month ago?

Who says I don't love Lance? They tried to bring in Afflalo so obviously Lance is not their top guy. Then after the draft Clifford hinted at wanting to add a scorer who can play multiple positions - so I'm looking into Gordon Hayward. We'll see.

Well, maybe they thought Afflalo was just the first duck in the row, and Stephenson was next. Now that Afflalo is out of consideration, maybe Stephenson is their next option. Wouldn't that make more sense then just moving on to a SF like Parsons, Hayward, or Deng?

MasterIchiro · Post #1573 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:32 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
What happened to your undying lovefest for Lance Stephenson that you had over a month ago?

Who says I don't love Lance? They tried to bring in Afflalo so obviously Lance is not their top guy. Then after the draft Clifford hinted at wanting to add a scorer who can play multiple positions - so I'm looking into Gordon Hayward. We'll see.

Well, maybe they thought Afflalo was just the first duck in the row, and Stephenson was next. Now that Afflalo is out of consideration, maybe Stephenson is their next option. Wouldn't that make more sense then just moving on to a SF like Parsons, Hayward, or Deng?

I suppose they could have added Afflalo with the idea that Lance pushes Afflalo to SF and no Lance means keeping Afflalo at SG in place of Henderson. But I doubt it. Clifford's hinting at wanting versatility (read: he knows they can't dump Henderson and does not want to clog one position). I still think Hayward is their #1 target. He and Shaun Livingston can play multiple positions and allow Henderson + MKG to still get their minutes.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1574 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:35 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Who says I don't love Lance? They tried to bring in Afflalo so obviously Lance is not their top guy. Then after the draft Clifford hinted at wanting to add a scorer who can play multiple positions - so I'm looking into Gordon Hayward. We'll see.

Well, maybe they thought Afflalo was just the first duck in the row, and Stephenson was next. Now that Afflalo is out of consideration, maybe Stephenson is their next option. Wouldn't that make more sense then just moving on to a SF like Parsons, Hayward, or Deng?

I suppose they could have added Afflalo with the idea that Lance pushes Afflalo to SF and no Lance means keeping Afflalo at SG in place of Henderson. But I doubt it. Clifford's hinting at wanting versatility (read: he knows they can't dump Henderson and does not want to clog one position). I still think Hayward is their #1 target. He and Shaun Livingston can play multiple positions and allow Henderson + MKG to still get their minutes.

Why would Hayward be the Hornets #1 target instead of Stephenson when Stephenson should be a lot more easier to acquire than Hayward, and has the same versatility, but is a better ball handler & defender?

MasterIchiro · Post #1575 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:41 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Well, maybe they thought Afflalo was just the first duck in the row, and Stephenson was next. Now that Afflalo is out of consideration, maybe Stephenson is their next option. Wouldn't that make more sense then just moving on to a SF like Parsons, Hayward, or Deng?

I suppose they could have added Afflalo with the idea that Lance pushes Afflalo to SF and no Lance means keeping Afflalo at SG in place of Henderson. But I doubt it. Clifford's hinting at wanting versatility (read: he knows they can't dump Henderson and does not want to clog one position). I still think Hayward is their #1 target. He and Shaun Livingston can play multiple positions and allow Henderson + MKG to still get their minutes.

Why would Hayward be the Hornets #1 target instead of Stephenson when Stephenson should be a lot more easier to acquire than Hayward, and has the same versatility, but is a better ball handler & defender?

I don't think Stephenson has the same versatility as Hayward. Hayward is 6' 8" and has played both SF and SG. Also, the character thing. Also, they have the inside scoop on Hayward with Al. If Lance is their target, it's all MJ, not Cliff. We'll see what MJ wants to do with his team. He seems very hands off. Put it this way, he was watching TV with fans at the draft party while Cho was working the phones. I saw him in the tunnel right by where I was sitting. The team seems to be in the hands of the GM and the coach. But free agency can be different since higher dollars are at stake so I would think MJ should be more hands-on when it comes to prioritizing free agents. But the Afflalo non-deal is a hint. He was a SG/SF, shooter like Hayward and a character guy and a Cliff guy. I wouldn't try to bend this into anything more than that.

jakenc · Post #1576 » by **jakenc** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:47 pm

Orlando just waived Doron Lamb. 3rd string PG? He's a Kentucky guy for MKG and the impending Anthony Davis sweepstakes.

HornetJail · Post #1577 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:49 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Deng's market is said to be 10-12 million with the Hawks being the most interested team.

Hayward turned down 10 million/season and the Suns are said to be considering a max deal for him.

Parsons' stock is also on the rise.

None of these guys are cheap but we can't go into the year with all these teams improving and us staying the same.

What happened to your undying lovefest for Lance Stephenson that you had over a month ago?

Who says I don't love Lance? They tried to bring in Afflalo so obviously Lance is not their top guy. Then after the draft Clifford hinted at wanting to add a scorer who can play multiple positions - so I'm looking into Gordon Hayward. We'll see.

Says who? We have cap space for both.

Lance is a scorer who can play 2-3 positions due to athleticism and versatility. He'd probably play backup PG as well as be our starting SG.

HornetJail · Post #1578 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:50 pm

jakenc wrote:Orlando just waived Doron Lamb. 3rd string PG? He's a Kentucky guy for MKG and the impending Anthony Davis sweepstakes.

Think he's more of a SG, but yeah I'd take him.

HornetJail · Post #1579 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:52 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::sleep: After listening to all this speculation on Who we should bring in and how much,
I've decided just maybe we should go after some mid level free agents and stack
our bench so that we are 10 deep.
1.Sign Luol Deng and back him up with MKG at 3
2.Sign Mo Williams to backup Kemba
3.Sign MCBob to start... backup with Zellar
4.Let Al work with Vonleh as his backup.

Kw MO
Hendo Harrison Neal ( Play 2 forward 3 gaurd small ball at times)
Deng,Mkg,JT
McBob,Zellar,Vonleh
Al Biz

Not bad, but Deng better be cheap (like 6-7M a year for 1-2 years, cheap) other wise I don't want him at all. I would pay as much for him as I would Trevor Ariza.

MasterIchiro · Post #1580 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:52 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
What happened to your undying lovefest for Lance Stephenson that you had over a month ago?

Who says I don't love Lance? They tried to bring in Afflalo so obviously Lance is not their top guy. Then after the draft Clifford hinted at wanting to add a scorer who can play multiple positions - so I'm looking into Gordon Hayward. We'll see.

Says who? We have cap space for both.

Lance is a scorer who can play 2-3 positions due to athleticism and versatility. He'd probably play backup PG as well as be our starting SG.

They were sending out Henderson in that deal, so Afflalo was the choice for SG before free agency even started. If they signed Lance, would they push Afflalo to SF in front of MKG? I bet they would have kept Afflalo at SG and gone after Hayward as a SF if anything.