kidd will get fired (power struggle in Nets front office)

jeff1624 · Post #581 » by **jeff1624** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:41 pm

Paradise wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483691162960547841[/tweet]

The Kidd/King beef is real.

I think that's just common practice. If recall correctly, the Clippers and Celtics couldn't trade players this past season either.

kamaze · Post #582 » by **kamaze** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:41 pm

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Don't make his job any easier...Unless they want to give us another pick. :wink:

SpeedyG · Post #583 » by **SpeedyG** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:53 pm

kamaze wrote:
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Jason Kidd is pursuing permission to bring Nets assistant coach Eric Hughes to Milwaukee with him, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
3:08 PM - 30 Jun 2014

Don't make his job any easier...Unless they want to give us another pick.

Wasn't Hughes the Cal guy?

It will likely depend on who we hire as a coach. As I mentioned before, most coaches bring their own guys with them. Chances are they'd let Hughes go anyway. Kidd f'd up the Nets, not Hughes. It would be a dbag move on our part to block him from moving when there's a good chance he'd get let go by the new coach.

KMartsCrew · Post #584 » by **KMartsCrew** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:54 pm

Doubt it'll happen, but I'm definitely all for taking Kidd's jersey down from the rafters.

Kidd is just the worst, a snake, a serial mutineer & backstabber. I already lost any emotional attachment to him after the way he forced a trade in 2008, but even with that I understood that he still got his jersey retired, but the fact that he quit on the team again like this after the franchise once again bowed before him & gave him a great opportunity to begin his career as a coach is just downright disgusting, the same way he never valued that the Nets revived his career as a player at a point where he was struggling with his off the court crap. Yes, Kidd did a lot for the Nets, but the Nets did just as much for his career, both as a player & a coach, and the guy could care less about this franchise & those fans who kept loving him no matter how many times he spat on their faces. Always said it, way before this episode, that Nets fans appreciated Kidd way more than Kidd appreciated them.

Have some pride, time to let this clown go, once & for all.

MrDollarBills · Post #585 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:02 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ✔ @WojYahooNBA
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Jason Kidd is pursuing permission to bring Nets assistant coach Eric Hughes to Milwaukee with him, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
3:08 PM - 30 Jun 2014

Don't make his job any easier...Unless they want to give us another pick.

Wasn't Hughes the Cal guy?

It will likely depend on who we hire as a coach. As I mentioned before, most coaches bring their own guys with them. Chances are they'd let Hughes go anyway. Kidd f'd up the Nets, not Hughes. It would be a dbag move on our part to block him from moving when there's a good chance he'd get let go by the new coach.

His entire staff should be unemployed right now. Scorched earth policy.

MrDollarBills · Post #586 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:03 pm

andresb wrote:Doubt it'll happen, but I'm definitely all for taking Kidd's jersey down from the rafters.

Kidd is just the worst, a snake, a serial mutineer & backstabber. I already lost any emotional attachment to him after the way he forced a trade in 2008, but even with that I understood that he still got his jersey retired, but the fact that he quit on the team again like this after the franchise once again bowed before him & gave him a great opportunity to begin his career as a coach is just downright disgusting, the same way he never valued that the Nets revived his career as a player at a point where he was struggling with his off the court crap. Yes, Kidd did a lot for the Nets, but the Nets did just as much for his career, both as a player & a coach, and the guy could care less about this franchise & those fans who kept loving him no matter how many times he spat on their faces. Always said it, way before this episode, that Nets fans appreciated Kidd way more than Kidd appreciated them.

Have some pride, time to let this clown go, once & for all.

Remove any trace of him from this franchise, period. His jersey should be taken down and his number unretired. Enough is enough

As far as this franchise is concerned, Jason Kidd does not exist.

kamaze · Post #587 » by **kamaze** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:05 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Don't make his job any easier...Unless they want to give us another pick.

Wasn't Hughes the Cal guy?

It will likely depend on who we hire as a coach. As I mentioned before, most coaches bring their own guys with them. Chances are they'd let Hughes go anyway. Kidd f'd up the Nets, not Hughes. It would be a dbag move on our part to block him from moving when there's a good chance he'd get let go by the new coach.

His entire staff should be unemployed right now. Scorched earth policy.

They should bring 1 or 2 of the assistants back so everything isn't new. That's part of the reason they got off to a bad start last year imo.

MrDollarBills · Post #588 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:09 pm

kamaze wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
Wasn't Hughes the Cal guy?

It will likely depend on who we hire as a coach. As I mentioned before, most coaches bring their own guys with them. Chances are they'd let Hughes go anyway. Kidd f'd up the Nets, not Hughes. It would be a dbag move on our part to block him from moving when there's a good chance he'd get let go by the new coach.

His entire staff should be unemployed right now. Scorched earth policy.

They should bring 1 or 2 of the assistants back so everything isn't new. That's part of the reason they got off to a bad start last year imo.

This will be the 3rd system change in 3 seasons. If you thought last season's start was ****, just wait. :nod:

SpeedyG · Post #589 » by **SpeedyG** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:10 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
kamaze wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
His entire staff should be unemployed right now. Scorched earth policy.

They should bring 1 or 2 of the assistants back so everything isn't new. That's part of the reason they got off to a bad start last year imo.

This will be the 3rd system change in 3 seasons. If you thought last season's start was ****, just wait.

With Lopez and Deron both coming back from injuries, this is going to be a miserable start. Hopefully the schedule makers gives us all the playoff teams early in the season.

Paradise · Post #590 » by **Paradise** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:17 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
kamaze wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
His entire staff should be unemployed right now. Scorched earth policy.

They should bring 1 or 2 of the assistants back so everything isn't new. That's part of the reason they got off to a bad start last year imo.

This will be the 3rd system change in 3 seasons. If you thought last season's start was ****, just wait.

Last season's start had more to do with Kidd being clueless with utilizing the roster than it being a system chemistry issue.

Remember when he ran a college zone against the Knicks and they made 18 threes at Barclays? Yeah, I doubt Hollins or Messina is that dumb.

MrDollarBills · Post #591 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:25 pm

Paradise wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
kamaze wrote:
They should bring 1 or 2 of the assistants back so everything isn't new. That's part of the reason they got off to a bad start last year imo.

This will be the 3rd system change in 3 seasons. If you thought last season's start was ****, just wait.

Last season's start had more to do with Kidd being clueless with utilizing the roster than it being a system chemistry issue.

Remember when he ran a college zone against the Knicks and they made 18 threes at Barclays? Yeah, I doubt Hollins or Messina is that dumb.

Hollins and Messina I'm not worried about. I'm worried about the players.

rj2496 · Post #592 » by **rj2496** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:45 pm

Can we start a mass Twitter uprising to Yormark, Pavlova, NetsDaily and etc for them to take his jersey from the rafters down? I don't want to see that **** every time I go to the Barclays Center. That POS doesn't deserve to have his jersey up there next to Petrovic.

Bro Johnson · Post #593 » by **Bro Johnson** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:02 pm

Eh... Taking his jersey down would be extreme.

He's put the Nets in an awkward situation, but at the same time he took a dump on his own legacy which is probably punishment enough.

Post #594 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:00 pm

Scraptor wrote:
Prokys Nets wrote:Carl - Could you give us a tip of who you know or who you're getting this from? You obviously have the credibility, just wondering.

Do you want someone to get fired? The guy has sources, let it be.

He might want the guy leaking info fired. Maybe he works for the Nets.

CareySkyScurry · Post #595 » by **CareySkyScurry** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:24 pm

Carl2680 for the win. Major kudos to you.
Thanks for the information, cannot believe Kidd did this. No shame at all.
Hopefully the next coach (Messina?) can implement a real offense and play to this team's strengths.
And I hope Kidd doesn't screw things up for Jabari.

Twinkie defense · Post #596 » by **Twinkie defense** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:41 pm

Paradise wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/483691162960547841[/tweet]

The Kidd/King beef is real.

This is likely just to prevent cheating - e.g., Nets get a second rounder for the rights to Kidd, then the Bucks FO "decides" to trade Jabari Parker to the Nets for some scrub

Re. Jason Kidd, I have been watching this guy play basketball since he was 16 or 17 years old. I saw him play as a teenager on a rec league team with a prime Gary Payton and Brian Shaw and he was the best guy on the court. Simply, he is a basketball genius and one of the best players of the post-Jordan era. Every place he has gone, he has turned into a winner.

It's unfortunate that things ended on bad terms in Brooklyn, but don't forget - his boss was wanting to fire him after a couple months on the job. That might make anyone want to job hunt. And special players get special privileges - the rookie Magic Johnson forced out his Championship-winning head coach. The rookie Chris Webber got 3 time COY Don Nelson fired (yes, C-Webb went first, but you can hardly argue there wasn't a direct cause and effect). LeBron just traded up in the draft and selected Miami's first round pick. Even Mark Jackson was reportedly talking to the Nets during his employment with the Warriors, before the Nets hired Kidd. etc. etc., there are many examples. When you hire a guy that looms that large over the game, that is part of what you're getting - that they start dictating the franchise's decisions. You just have to hope that the result of those decisions are good.

Paradise · Post #597 » by **Paradise** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:20 am

Twinkie defense wrote:Re. Jason Kidd, I have been watching this guy play basketball since he was 16 or 17 years old. I saw him play as a teenager on a rec league team with a prime Gary Payton and Brian Shaw and he was the best guy on the court. Simply, he is a basketball genius and one of the best players of the post-Jordan era. Every place he has gone, he has turned into a winner.

It's unfortunate that things ended on bad terms in Brooklyn, but don't forget - his boss was wanting to fire him after a couple months on the job. That might make anyone want to job hunt. And special players get special privileges - the rookie Magic Johnson forced out his Championship-winning head coach. The rookie Chris Webber got 3 time COY Don Nelson fired (yes, C-Webb went first, but you can hardly argue there wasn't a direct cause and effect). LeBron just traded up in the draft and selected Miami's first round pick. Even Mark Jackson was reportedly talking to the Nets during his employment with the Warriors, before the Nets hired Kidd. etc. etc., there are many examples. When you hire a guy that looms that large over the game, that is part of what you're getting - that they start dictating the franchise's decisions. You just have to hope that the result of those decisions are good.

The Nets were 10-21. Fans booed them off the floor on Christmas after getting humiliated by the Bulls without Deng/Hinrich...again and fans chanted "Fire Jason" at Barclays.

They had every right to consider firing him. Prokhorov quickly shot down the idea of firing him. January comes and Kidd turns it around much to the pleasure of everyone. You had Billy King raving about a new idenity.

Kidd's job was never in jeopardy until he pulled this stunt. I have no problem with him asking for a raise and neither did Prokhorov apparently but demanding to run basketball operations after a somewhat mediocre rookie year and forcing bad trade ideas on your owner and general manger is not justifiable. Especially, when the Nets were commited to building around Kidd's system of 'spread' offense. He had input in the draft decisions.

Prokhorov handpicked him, made sure his job was safe during the 10-21 start, allowed him to banish the highest paid assistant in the league and was comfortable enough to allow him to buy shares of ownership. Not many owners are comfortable with their coach owning a piece of the team and allowing them to get away with that much crap.

Kidd basically tried to bite the hand that fed him and left because he didn't get his way. No loyalty or second guesses. It took him months to earn the trust of Pierce. KG was his biggest supporter during the rough start and he walked away from all of them after preaching "stablity" to the media and after convincing KG not to retire. There really isn't a way to justify Kidd's disloyalty and ungrateful actions.

You could play devil's advocate and say "No Cap Space. No Picks. Better Milwaukee future" which is accurate but Kidd approached the Nets wanting the challenge of a team capped out until 2017 with Williams, Johnson, Wallace, Lopez. He wanted veterans and pushed for the Pierce/KG deal. He was apart of the same decision making he supposedly left about.

Sorry but Kidd is dead to me. He is selfish. He has no loyalty and no remorse for anybody but himself.

Keith Van Horn · Post #598 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:10 am

Screw Jason Kidd. I can't believe he did this after everything our franchise did for him and how they helped to save his image.

I hope Kidd fails miserably in Milwaukee. I hope we take his jersey down from the rafters. Backstabbing, bitch ass, wife beating, son of a whore.

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Mlockhart · Post #599 » by **Mlockhart** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:22 am

Since I am not a fan of either team I will offer my 2 Cents..This makes perfect sense for Jason Kidd...He can go to Milwaukee yield more influence, work with a young and upcoming team, and not have nearly the pressure that he had in Brooklyn. The bucks aren't near contention and he has virtually no pressure on him. Not only is he friends with the owner, he also has a young Jabari Parker, Larry Sanders, and some other decent pieces and does not have the expectations that could have killed his coaching career. Imagine if he came back to Brooklyn, with a roster that is a year older, with very little cap flexibility with the outlandish expectations that they should be in the hunt. If that thing goes south he will be blamed and likely out the door before the New Year.

This way, he can go to Milwaukee have a few years to get better as a coach and learn where the expectations aren't very high. From what I saw last year his assistant coaches were doing a lot of play calling, time out, strategy etc. Jason Kidd has a history of thinking only about himself. This is no different. Like it or not this is all about self preservation. It may go against the unwritten rule, but hey there is no honor among thieves. Why would anyone think he would go against what he's always done?

Hello Brooklyn · Post #600 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 7:11 am

Mlockhart wrote:Since I am not a fan of either team I will offer my 2 Cents..This makes perfect sense for Jason Kidd...He can go to Milwaukee yield more influence, work with a young and upcoming team, and not have nearly the pressure that he had in Brooklyn. The bucks aren't near contention and he has virtually no pressure on him. Not only is he friends with the owner, he also has a young Jabari Parker, Larry Sanders, and some other decent pieces and does not have the expectations that could have killed his coaching career. Imagine if he came back to Brooklyn, with a roster that is a year older, with very little cap flexibility with the outlandish expectations that they should be in the hunt. If that thing goes south he will be blamed and likely out the door before the New Year.

This way, he can go to Milwaukee have a few years to get better as a coach and learn where the expectations aren't very high. From what I saw last year his assistant coaches were doing a lot of play calling, time out, strategy etc. Jason Kidd has a history of thinking only about himself. This is no different. Like it or not this is all about self preservation. It may go against the unwritten rule, but hey there is no honor among thieves. Why would anyone think he would go against what he's always done?

What a stupid argument

If he wanted to go to the Bucks, he should have gone to the Bucks. He should have never tried to coach here. He chose to come to this team and sign a deal here. Nobody made him do it. In fact, he pursued it.

And now he just decides to leave in a power grab? Its BS. I hope he rots on the Bucks.