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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#221 » by BlackOutBuzz » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:00 pm

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That's 12 million going to the Pacers, so how would that work with their cap?


Well they hold Lance's bird rights so they can exceed the cap to re-sign him. Once they do they can trade him for equal or lesser salary even if doing so keeps them over the cap.

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OK, I see. So Lance is no easier to sign than Hayward or Parsons.


He's not restricted, so you could sign him outright without even dealing with the Pacers. With the other guys the teams could match. The bird rights just means they can exceed the cap to re-sign him, while other teams can't. But the fact that he's unrestricted makes him a much easier target than the restricted guys.

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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#222 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:16 pm

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Well they hold Lance's bird rights so they can exceed the cap to re-sign him. Once they do they can trade him for equal or lesser salary even if doing so keeps them over the cap.

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OK, I see. So Lance is no easier to sign than Hayward or Parsons.


He's not restricted, so you could sign him outright without even dealing with the Pacers. With the other guys the teams could match. The bird rights just means they can exceed the cap to re-sign him, while other teams can't. But the fact that he's unrestricted makes him a much easier target than the restricted guys.

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It seems to me the Pacers can match an offer in dollars the same way a team with a restricted free agent can match an offer in dollars. There's virtually no hard limit for the Pacers. Ultimately, a truly free agent would get to choose between 2 teams but with his home team willing to go over the cap to retain him, money won't be an advantage for us any more than it is with a restricted free agent. The only difference is choice. But why would Lance choose the Hornets at equal money?
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#223 » by jakenc » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:22 pm

If we pulled off that S&T then snagged Parsons this offseason would rival last year's.

I would love to see:

Kemba - Jameer - 3rd stringer (maybe Dyson, Doron Lamb, or Rivers) - Lance sparingly
Lance - Hairston - Parsons or MKG (I'd like to see Parsons and MKG alongside each other occasionally)
MKG - Parsons - Lance sparingly
McBob - Noah - Adrien
Big Al - Bismack - Adrien

Noah and Biz better hold down that second unit defensively because 1-3 aren't exactly noted stoppers. I have faith in Biz though. First unit is just awesome. Would be better if Noah was starter worthy.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#224 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:24 pm

jakenc wrote:If we pulled off that S&T then snagged Parsons this offseason would rival last year's.

I would love to see:

Kemba - Jameer - 3rd stringer (maybe Dyson, Doron Lamb, or Rivers) - Lance sparingly
Lance - Hairston - Parsons or MKG (I'd like to see Parsons and MKG alongside each other occasionally)
MKG - Parsons - Lance sparingly
McBob - Noah - Adrien
Big Al - Bismack - Adrien

Noah and Biz better hold down that second unit defensively because 1-3 aren't exactly noted stoppers. I have faith in Biz though. First unit is just awesome. Would be better if Noah was starter worthy.


Just put MKG on the 2nd unit. Don't be shy.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#225 » by jakenc » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:25 pm

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jakenc wrote:If we pulled off that S&T then snagged Parsons this offseason would rival last year's.

I would love to see:

Kemba - Jameer - 3rd stringer (maybe Dyson, Doron Lamb, or Rivers) - Lance sparingly
Lance - Hairston - Parsons or MKG (I'd like to see Parsons and MKG alongside each other occasionally)
MKG - Parsons - Lance sparingly
McBob - Noah - Adrien
Big Al - Bismack - Adrien

Noah and Biz better hold down that second unit defensively because 1-3 aren't exactly noted stoppers. I have faith in Biz though. First unit is just awesome. Would be better if Noah was starter worthy.


Just put MKG on the 2nd unit. Don't be shy.

Parsons is probably better at the moment, don't get me wrong. I'd like Parsons in a sixth man scorer role though. MKG can't play that role.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#226 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:27 pm

jakenc wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
jakenc wrote:If we pulled off that S&T then snagged Parsons this offseason would rival last year's.

I would love to see:

Kemba - Jameer - 3rd stringer (maybe Dyson, Doron Lamb, or Rivers) - Lance sparingly
Lance - Hairston - Parsons or MKG (I'd like to see Parsons and MKG alongside each other occasionally)
MKG - Parsons - Lance sparingly
McBob - Noah - Adrien
Big Al - Bismack - Adrien

Noah and Biz better hold down that second unit defensively because 1-3 aren't exactly noted stoppers. I have faith in Biz though. First unit is just awesome. Would be better if Noah was starter worthy.


Just put MKG on the 2nd unit. Don't be shy.

Parsons is probably better at the moment, don't get me wrong. I'd like Parsons in a sixth man scorer role though. MKG can't play that role.


Don't think of him as the 6th man. Make him the stopper on the unit in more need of defense and think of Hairston as a 6th man.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#227 » by amcoolio » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:31 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:It seems to me the Pacers can match an offer in dollars the same way a team with a restricted free agent can match an offer in dollars. There's virtually no hard limit for the Pacers. Ultimately, a truly free agent would get to choose between 2 teams but with his home team willing to go over the cap to retain him, money won't be an advantage for us any more than it is with a restricted free agent. The only difference is choice. But why would Lance choose the Hornets at equal money?


LeBron was sign and traded from the Cavs to the Heat. If Lance truly wanted to sign here, we could go to the Pacers and work out a deal that would be beneficial to both sides. For the Hornets, to retain cap, and for the Pacers, to get their hometown kid and a good energy bench, and a serviceable SG to remain in contention (hey, we can sell them on that anyway).

Same reason Carmelo will likely be signed and traded by the Knicks, so they don't lose him for nothing and the Bulls could possibly retain enough cap to add another high caliber piece.

As for why pick the Hornets at equal money, its pretty clear Lance had issues with Hibbert's inability to speak up, Vogel's inability to control the locker room, and George's primadonna attitude. Its all rumors because we don't really know. But I'm sure he would take the Hornets situation with Big Al, Kemba, better coaching, an owner he probably wants to emulate, and more younger potential with less egos and distractions, and a chance to be the alpha dog. Thats where Charlotte's gamble is, because theres a chance Lance could become a black hole if we give him the green light.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#228 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:36 pm

amcoolio wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:It seems to me the Pacers can match an offer in dollars the same way a team with a restricted free agent can match an offer in dollars. There's virtually no hard limit for the Pacers. Ultimately, a truly free agent would get to choose between 2 teams but with his home team willing to go over the cap to retain him, money won't be an advantage for us any more than it is with a restricted free agent. The only difference is choice. But why would Lance choose the Hornets at equal money?


LeBron was sign and traded from the Cavs to the Heat. If Lance truly wanted to sign here, we could go to the Pacers and work out a deal that would be beneficial to both sides. For the Hornets, to retain cap, and for the Pacers, to get their hometown kid and a good energy bench, and a serviceable SG to remain in contention (hey, we can sell them on that anyway).

Same reason Carmelo will likely be signed and traded by the Knicks, so they don't lose him for nothing and the Bulls could possibly retain enough cap to add another high caliber piece.

As for why pick the Hornets at equal money, its pretty clear Lance had issues with Hibbert's inability to speak up, Vogel's inability to control the locker room, and George's primadonna attitude. Its all rumors because we don't really know. But I'm sure he would take the Hornets situation with Big Al, Kemba, better coaching, an owner he probably wants to emulate, and more younger potential with less egos and distractions, and a chance to be the alpha dog. Thats where Charlotte's gamble is, because theres a chance Lance could become a black hole if we give him the green light.


The same can be said for Hayward, wanting to reunite with Big Al and playing for a contender (yeah I said it), and like with Stephenson his team can theoretically match and force a trade if ultimately Hayward articulates he prefers to play here. I bet if the Suns had offered a sign & trade for Eric Gordon, the Pelicans would not have matched, but they got greedy. If you're the Hornets and you want to pry away a talent like Lance or Hayward or Parsons, you can't be greedy, you have to prepare to send talent and compete with the home team. Therefore I wouldn't say Lance is necessarily easier to sign than any of the restricted guys. If you ultimately have to offer sign & trade proposals, the restricted status becomes a mere formality.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#229 » by amcoolio » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:04 am

Isn't Hayward restricted? So even if he wants to leave, Utah can match any offer, even a max offer (which is ridiculous for Hayward but likely).

Lance is fully unrestricted, so unless Indy offered a ridiculous sum of money that would put them deep in the tax and made the MLE useless, which means they can't improve their team any further...then I don't see Lance caring. I simply think he'll get more money from Charlotte or Phoenix than Indiana, and both are better situations IMO. The Pacers are hampered by Hibbert's max contract, George's max contract, West's huge salary, Hill's way overpaid salary, and a bunch of money in old, limited roleplayers. I don't and can't see them paying more than 10 million for Lance.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#230 » by ARHornet » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:12 am

amcoolio wrote:Isn't Hayward restricted? So even if he wants to leave, Utah can match any offer, even a max offer (which is ridiculous for Hayward but likely).

Yes, which is exactly why I don't consider Hayward realistic for us. Utah will likely match anything, even if Phoenix offers him the max ( :lol: ).

If we make an offer at fair value, Utah will match without thinking twice. The only shot we have is to significantly overpay, and even then Hayward very well may pick Phoenix over us and Utah is still likely to match. I just can't see a scenario that Hayward is a Hornet.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#231 » by fatlever » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:26 am

how about???

pg: kemba, vasquez, roberts
sg: henderson, hairston, neal
sf: parsons, mkg, taylor
pf: mcroberts, zeller, vonleh
c: jefferson, biyombo, adrien

or

pg: kemba, jack, pargo
sg: mkg, hairston, neal
sf: parsons, carter, taylor
pf: pf: mcroberts, zeller, vonleh, tolliver
c: jefferson, biyombo

* henderson traded for jack
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#232 » by JDR720 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:27 am

fatlever wrote:how about???

pg: kemba, vasquez, roberts
sg: henderson, hairston, neal
sf: parsons, mkg, taylor
pf: mcroberts, zeller, vonleh
c: jefferson, biyombo, adrien

or

pg: kemba, jack, pargo
sg: mkg, hairston, neal
sf: parsons, carter, taylor
pf: pf: mcroberts, zeller, vonleh, tolliver
c: jefferson, biyombo

* henderson traded for jack

i like both of em!
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#233 » by catch20two » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:33 am

If we get Parsons and I doubt we do, he coming off the bench as a 6th man because he can't play defense but he can play multiple positions. We take MKG out of our starting lineup and our defense will fall apart. That's our calling card. I might personally drive to Charlotte to slap Cliff if he bench MKG for anything less than Lebron or Melo.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#234 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:39 am

catch20two wrote:If we get Parsons and I doubt we do, he coming off the bench as a 6th man because he can't play defense but he can play multiple positions. We take MKG out of our starting lineup and our defense will fall apart. That's our calling card. I might personally drive to Charlotte to slap Cliff if he bench MKG for anything less than Lebron or Melo.


Sekou Smith's words - "It's no secret Charlotte's looking to upgrade the position"
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#235 » by catch20two » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:41 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
catch20two wrote:If we get Parsons and I doubt we do, he coming off the bench as a 6th man because he can't play defense but he can play multiple positions. We take MKG out of our starting lineup and our defense will fall apart. That's our calling card. I might personally drive to Charlotte to slap Cliff if he bench MKG for anything less than Lebron or Melo.


Sekou Smith's words - "It's no secret Charlotte's looking to upgrade the position"

He's prolly the same clown that said that last year too and all we added was CDR.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#236 » by BeesWax » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:43 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
catch20two wrote:If we get Parsons and I doubt we do, he coming off the bench as a 6th man because he can't play defense but he can play multiple positions. We take MKG out of our starting lineup and our defense will fall apart. That's our calling card. I might personally drive to Charlotte to slap Cliff if he bench MKG for anything less than Lebron or Melo.


Sekou Smith's words - "It's no secret Charlotte's looking to upgrade the position"

You can upgrade a position though a better backup. Plus that guy thought Deng was a good value so he isn't all there. Also it could mean start MKG at SG and Parsons at SF. That actually makes the most sense there. Parsons needs help from a high level wing defender and MKG could use being paired with a solid shooting play making wing.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#237 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:45 am

jdm3 wrote:
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catch20two wrote:If we get Parsons and I doubt we do, he coming off the bench as a 6th man because he can't play defense but he can play multiple positions. We take MKG out of our starting lineup and our defense will fall apart. That's our calling card. I might personally drive to Charlotte to slap Cliff if he bench MKG for anything less than Lebron or Melo.


Sekou Smith's words - "It's no secret Charlotte's looking to upgrade the position"

Also it could mean start MKG at SG and Parsons at SF.


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Not with Henderson at SG and Clifford coaching.
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Post#238 » by BeesWax » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:52 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Sekou Smith's words - "It's no secret Charlotte's looking to upgrade the position"

Also it could mean start MKG at SG and Parsons at SF.


:wavefinger:

Not with Henderson at SG and Clifford coaching.

Well if you are right at least we made the playoffs this year because any coach who would start Henderson over MKG won't get us there again. Defensive team with no defenders makes perfect sense.
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Post#239 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:55 am

jdm3 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
jdm3 wrote: Also it could mean start MKG at SG and Parsons at SF.


:wavefinger:

Not with Henderson at SG and Clifford coaching.

Well if you are right at least we made the playoffs this year because any coach who would start Henderson over MKG won't get us there again. Defensive team with no defenders makes perfect sense.


SG = Henderson + Hairston + Neal

MKG would not be the SG if Parsons is the SF

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Post#240 » by JDR720 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:58 am

can Parsons guard a SG

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