Optimism for Embiid's Health

[P2K]

P2K, you've been stewing in a pool of your own piss for like a week now.

Okay, my bad.

[CoreyGallagher]

But wait...Embiid is a sure deal of being a superstar.

Only a year of recuperation and you have a top 3 player in the game for sure. Right?

Indeed, pretty much. If Embiid can stay healthy, with his skill set, athleticism, & size he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, there really aren't many in the league right now, I dare say there aren't any. Dwight is good, off sheer athleticism for the most part & he's around 6'10", he's probably the best big man right now. Embiid is a legit 7ft+ center, with a nice touch & footwork, range on his shot & athleticism, we've seen a sample size of what he can do. He can dominate not only because of the lack of talent at the position, but those Olajuwon comparisons are no fluke, but a testament to his rapidly expanding amazing skill set. Wing driven league? Yeah sure, but a dominant post presence like what Embiid projects to be changes everything, the entire game plan & affects every position on the opposing team.

^^^Ah see. There you go. My proof.

That's not your proof, by him saying 'pretty much' that's him cushioning from your stance to his own. He said he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, and surely didn't say he would be a top 3 player in the game. Everything he said has merit.

[P2K]

Indeed, pretty much. If Embiid can stay healthy, with his skill set, athleticism, & size he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, there really aren't many in the league right now, I dare say there aren't any. Dwight is good, off sheer athleticism for the most part & he's around 6'10", he's probably the best big man right now. Embiid is a legit 7ft+ center, with a nice touch & footwork, range on his shot & athleticism, we've seen a sample size of what he can do. He can dominate not only because of the lack of talent at the position, but those Olajuwon comparisons are no fluke, but a testament to his rapidly expanding amazing skill set. Wing driven league? Yeah sure, but a dominant post presence like what Embiid projects to be changes everything, the entire game plan & affects every position on the opposing team.

^^^Ah see. There you go. My proof.

Ah I see, lol you're one of those types who only point out what they feel is convenient lol. You completely ignored my first post, but yeah I probably expressed my thoughts incorrectly. What I should of said in that opening sentence for you is Indeed, pretty much. If Embiid can stay healthy, with his skill set, athleticism, & size he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, & if he reaches his [u][i]POTENTIAL would likely turn into a top 3 player in the league[/i]; there really aren't many (dominant big men) in the league right now, I dare say there aren't any.[/u]

Thanks again guy

[P2K]

Indeed, pretty much. If Embiid can stay healthy, with his skill set, athleticism, & size he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, there really aren't many in the league right now, I dare say there aren't any. Dwight is good, off sheer athleticism for the most part & he's around 6'10", he's probably the best big man right now. Embiid is a legit 7ft+ center, with a nice touch & footwork, range on his shot & athleticism, we've seen a sample size of what he can do. He can dominate not only because of the lack of talent at the position, but those Olajuwon comparisons are no fluke, but a testament to his rapidly expanding amazing skill set. Wing driven league? Yeah sure, but a dominant post presence like what Embiid projects to be changes everything, the entire game plan & affects every position on the opposing team.

^^^Ah see. There you go. My proof.

That's not your proof, by him saying 'pretty much' that's him cushioning from your stance to his own. He said he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, and surely didn't say he would be a top 3 player in the game. Everything he said has merit.

Look above.

[CoreyGallagher]

Look above.

I regret to see how him saying he has potential to be a top 3 player is the same as him saying he assuredly will be a top 3 player...

But wait...Embiid is a sure deal of being a superstar.

Only a year of recuperation and you have a top 3 player in the game for sure. Right?

I'm honestly wondering who claimed this exactly, care to quote or link? I want that though, exactly that, not proposing it as a possibility, I want exactly that he is assuredly going to be a top 3 player in the game.

You're an idiot.

[Los5782]

^^^Ah see. There you go. My proof.

That's not your proof, by him saying 'pretty much' that's him cushioning from your stance to his own. He said he has the potential to be a dominant post presence, and surely didn't say he would be a top 3 player in the game. Everything he said has merit.

Look above.

Np, you're struggling I can tell. Lol, what point are you trying to prove? Have people been supposedly raving on that Embiid will be a top 3 player in the league on this forum? Not that I've seen anyway, I sure as heck haven't. Do I personally believe that if Embiid can stay healthy, that he can end up being a top 3 player in the league? Absolutely, if he can live up to his potential based off his physical gifts & skill set in my mind can hands down be top 3. Has anyone been raving on saying this? Not that I know of, other than you who seems to be the only one bringing it up .

[Los5782]

Look above.

I regret to see how him saying he has potential to be a top 3 player is the same as him saying he assuredly will be a top 3 player...

But wait...Embiid is a sure deal of being a superstar.

Only a year of recuperation and you have a top 3 player in the game for sure. Right?

I'm honestly wondering who claimed this exactly, care to quote or link? I want that though, exactly that, not proposing it as a possibility, I want exactly that he is assuredly going to be a top 3 player in the game.

You're an idiot.

Yes! Thank you lol, this is basically my point. I PERSONALLY feel if he can stay healthy the potential to be dominant & top 3 in the league is there. No one is bragging about how we got a player in the draft that will be top 3, no one has even brought this up that I've seen other than P2K.

[P2K]

Look above.

I regret to see how him saying he has potential to be a top 3 player is the same as him saying he assuredly will be a top 3 player...

But wait...Embiid is a sure deal of being a superstar.

Only a year of recuperation and you have a top 3 player in the game for sure. Right?

I'm honestly wondering who claimed this exactly, care to quote or link? I want that though, exactly that, not proposing it as a possibility, I want exactly that he is assuredly going to be a top 3 player in the game.

You're an idiot.

I apologize that you took everything so literally. But there's no need for name calling

[WorldBeFree]

I feel like p2k is messing with you guys... Leave him alone he is just concerned about the future of a team that we all love. If embiid busts out he just want to be able to say "i told you" and if not who cares because everybody will be happy

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[P2K]

Look above.

I regret to see how him saying he has potential to be a top 3 player is the same as him saying he assuredly will be a top 3 player...

I'm honestly wondering who claimed this exactly, care to quote or link? I want that though, exactly that, not proposing it as a possibility, I want exactly that he is assuredly going to be a top 3 player in the game.

You're an idiot.

Yes! Thank you lol, this is basically my point. I PERSONALLY feel if he can stay healthy the potential to be dominant & top 3 in the league is there. No one is bragging about how we got a player in the draft that will be top 3, no one has even brought this up that I've seen other than P2K.

Well, so many have been saying his skills and athleticism scream superstar.

Okay, I see that.

And people on here have been saying Embiid is not an injury risk. That he will not be injury-prone.

So I still don't get why Cleveland and Milwaukee both passed on Embiid. And the excuse of Cleveland not having the balls and Milwaukee is Milwaukee isn't going to do it for me lol.

[P2K]

I feel like p2k is messing with you guys... Leave him alone he is just concerned about the future of a team that we all love. If embiid busts out he just want to be able to say "i told you" and if not who cares because everybody will be happy

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I won't go "I told you so" because if this all goes to ****, we all will be depressed as hell unfortunately.

[Mik317]

I think the idea (a very optimistic and hopeful one mind you) is that the Cavs passed because of Gilbert's playoffs or bust mandate (i.e I want dat playoff monehs or your asses are fired) and the fact that Milwaukee needs to stop being ass or else they will lose their franchise (they need to build a new stadium a new marketable star is good way to get that done). Leading to both making short term type moves.

This is the ideal answer.

Whether or not that is truly the case or not, who knows.

[CoreyGallagher]

I apologize that you took everything so literally. But there's no need for name calling

To me it seems as if you've been intentionally antagonizing the past few days, it's just getting annoying.

We can only make assumptions as to why Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid, yet you're seemingly wanting something more legitimate that we can't possibly give you. I can only assume that there were likely multitudes of reasons as to why the Cavs didn't draft him; they just fired Grant and this is Griffin's first draft after a tumultuous season, given the circumstance they need forbearing to save face. Drafting a currently injured player when there are two prospects that are in the same tier according to most is a risk not worth taking. Also, it wouldn't have simply been waiting a year for Embiid to return from injury and reaping the rewards, he afterall was the player they more than anyone seemed to consider the top prospect, the Cavs were also wooing Kyrie Irving. Kyrie is already established and held the upper hand in their negotiations, like fans most players will yearn for immediate improvement and reports seem to indicate he certainly did.

Regarding Milwaukee, by the time Embiid got injured the Bucks and Parker were already a supposed match made in heaven. Parker likely said what the Bucks wanted to hear, something similarly to what the reports were, that he wanted to play for Milwaukee and furthermore may have proved it by tanking his workout for the Cavs. At the draft he also affirmed that he would prefer to play his entire career for a single team, for Milwaukee, imagine that's likely not the first time he's expressed that sentiment. You also have to consider Embiid, even now, seems that if given the opportunity would bolt for LA in a heartbeat, obviously we're hoping to change that inclination, but believe we have more of a likelihood than Milwaukee would have.

[P2K]

To me it seems as if you've been intentionally antagonizing the past few days, it's just getting annoying.

Posters around here pretending that there isn't a risk of being injury-prone is annoying to me, so the feeling is mutual.

We can only make assumptions as to why Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid, yet you're seemingly wanting something more legitimate that we can't possibly give you.

Excuse me? Embiid was said to be by far the best prospect in the draft. An injury that would keep him sidelined for a few months with no other issues wouldn't deter other teams from picking him UNLESS there was something else scaring them.

Don't get it f'd up. The Sixers are just as crappy as Cleveland and Milwaukee. So we are all even in needing that one player to get us out of the toilet. It should scare all of us that Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid.

And again...whenever you have to attach the "if healthy" tag to a player, that is never good.

[CoreyGallagher]

Excuse me? Embiid was said to be by far the best prospect in the draft. An injury that would keep him sidelined for a few months with no other issues wouldn't deter other teams from picking him UNLESS there was something else scaring them.

Don't get it f'd up. The Sixers are just as crappy as Cleveland and Milwaukee. So we are all even in needing that one player to get us out of the toilet. It should scare all of us that Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid.

It does scare me, however not as much as it otherwise would have if there weren't a Wiggins or Parker for Cleveland and Milwaukee to select from, gave my reasoning above as to why they may have opted to.

And again...whenever you have to attach the "if healthy" tag to a player, that is never good.

I agree.

[76ciology]

So why didn't Cleveland or Milwaukee take Embiid?

First off, Cavs and Bucks had Embiid on top of their big board before he broke his foot.

The Cavs put Embiid in some rigorous exercise to check his back. They also went to investigate on his medicals, I guess to see if there's something systematically wrong or some bone density issues. Both of which checked out fine.

Then Embiid broke his foot in some work out with the Cavs. After the day, he went to play football and golf. He went to his doctor and the doctor said he can either take the risk of his foot injury to be a long term issue by opting for it to heal naturally or opt for a surgery that should eliminate any chances of it being a long term issue. Embiid opt to go for surgery because he don't want it to be a long term issue. That is consistent to the report of Dr.Ferkel and the Sixers.

The downside of the injury is that it would take 5-8 months for it to recover. And both the Cavs and the Bucks aren't ok with that.

For the Cavs, we all know how desperate they are on making the play-offs. We saw how they went the extra mile to take Hawes and Deng. The night David Griffin won the lottery, he said something like.. they don't need talent for they a lot of it right now, they need a guy who can be a glue guy and make their team a winning team. The extra pressure of pleasing Kyrie and luring LBJ did add up to their need to be an instant play-off team next season. Like what David Griffin said after the draft, health wasn't the concern in passing up Embiid. In the end, Wiggins makes more sense than a franchise caliber player who needs 5-8 months to recover for their short term by important goal of making the play-offs next season.

For the Bucks, Jabari is just a match made in heaven for them. Jabari looks like a guy who would be interested to sign long term with them, being close to his own town Chicago. Jabari is the guy they think that would help them in day 1. Jabari is a high character guy who would be the ghost buster to their polluted locker room.

"I think it's hard to take Embiid," Lasry said Monday at a joint breakfast meeting of the region's Rotary Club and the Milwaukee Press Club. "I think he's a phenomenal individual, but with the injury and not knowing how severe or long it will take to recover, I think for us today we're going to want somebody who's going to help us on Day One."

"Nobody's coming to Milwaukee if the team does what it did last year," said Lasry, who added that the payroll would increase.

[76ciology]

To me it seems as if you've been intentionally antagonizing the past few days, it's just getting annoying.

Posters around here pretending that there isn't a risk of being injury-prone is annoying to me, so the feeling is mutual.

We can only make assumptions as to why Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid, yet you're seemingly wanting something more legitimate that we can't possibly give you.

Excuse me? Embiid was said to be by far the best prospect in the draft. An injury that would keep him sidelined for a few months with no other issues wouldn't deter other teams from picking him UNLESS there was something else scaring them.

Don't get it f'd up. The Sixers are just as crappy as Cleveland and Milwaukee. So we are all even in needing that one player to get us out of the toilet. It should scare all of us that Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid.

And again...whenever you have to attach the "if healthy" tag to a player, that is never good.

That's speculation.

Like I said, if you based it on speculation, you'll be scared on selecting Embiid. But if you have the medical records and base your decision on facts like the Celtics,Magic (as per Chris Mannix) Cavs, Bucks, Lakers (as per rumor) and the Sixers, you would just look at it nothing more than a short term injury.

[freshie2]

To me it seems as if you've been intentionally antagonizing the past few days, it's just getting annoying.

Posters around here pretending that there isn't a risk of being injury-prone is annoying to me, so the feeling is mutual.

We can only make assumptions as to why Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid, yet you're seemingly wanting something more legitimate that we can't possibly give you.

Excuse me? Embiid was said to be by far the best prospect in the draft. An injury that would keep him sidelined for a few months with no other issues wouldn't deter other teams from picking him UNLESS there was something else scaring them.

Don't get it f'd up. The Sixers are just as crappy as Cleveland and Milwaukee. So we are all even in needing that one player to get us out of the toilet. It should scare all of us that Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid.

And again...whenever you have to attach the "if healthy" tag to a player, that is never good.

That's speculation.

If you based it on speculation, you'll be scared on selecting Embiid. But if you have the medical records and base your decision on facts like the Celtics,Magic (as per rumor) Cavs, Bucks, Lakers (as per rumor) and the Sixers, you would just look at it nothing more than a short term injury.

Ahhh...not so true. Very limited sample size with potentially tragic outcomes...concern over potential chronicity is warranted.

I'm being glass half full, but just because the docs say he's fine is no guarantee...every surgeon thinks they cure every patient.

[Cokeleaf]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRPg3f3lPiQ[/youtube]

Just listen 10:32 to 12:30

Bill Simmons:
Embiid moved like a gazelle opposite of Oden who moves in different direction. Embiid moves up and down the court without effort like Ibaka or Griffin. So on eyetest, he thinks there's no structurally wrong with Embiid.

Chad Ford:
One theory by a team doctor was Embiid body's body was growing by such a rapid rate by he remains to be a great athlete that he put unbelievable torque in his growing body. But then if you strengthen his core and his body quits growing and puts him in a good nutritional plan all the stuffs goes away.

Just watching this now. Can't believe the opening line to the video calls itself "The BS report"! That's hilarious.

It's both an acronym and a pun. Guessing they don't take themselves too seriously.

Hope its a good watch.

[Sixerscan]

To me it seems as if you've been intentionally antagonizing the past few days, it's just getting annoying.

Posters around here pretending that there isn't a risk of being injury-prone is annoying to me, so the feeling is mutual.

We can only make assumptions as to why Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid, yet you're seemingly wanting something more legitimate that we can't possibly give you.

Excuse me? Embiid was said to be by far the best prospect in the draft. An injury that would keep him sidelined for a few months with no other issues wouldn't deter other teams from picking him UNLESS there was something else scaring them.

Don't get it f'd up. The Sixers are just as crappy as Cleveland and Milwaukee. So we are all even in needing that one player to get us out of the toilet. It should scare all of us that Cleveland and Milwaukee passed on Embiid.

And again...whenever you have to attach the "if healthy" tag to a player, that is never good.

That's speculation.

Like I said, if you based it on speculation, you'll be scared on selecting Embiid. But if you have the medical records and base your decision on facts like the Celtics,Magic (as per Chris Mannix) Cavs, Bucks, Lakers (as per rumor) and the Sixers, you would just look at it nothing more than a short term injury.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am optimistic about Embiid's injury/career.

That being said, it's not a short term injury. He's going to be out for a year.

And you're mixing up something that is not career threatening NOW but has a not insubstantial possibility of becoming career threatening if something goes wrong in rehab. Or even something between that where he can play through it but be physically limited. It's not as smooth a process as you seem to want to make it seem.

These "facts" you keep bringing up aren't "facts," they're hearsay by GMs that do nothing but lie this time of year. And yeah, you can logic your way into thinking why they would or would not lie, but that seems like a gigantic waste of time. Even something a doctor says about Embiid's recover isn't a "fact"; it's a prognosis, an educated guess. We're never going to know exactly why the Cavs passed on Embiid, nor will we know what the Magic or Lakers would have done if he was on the board. The only "fact" we have is that he has a broken foot.

I've tried to not nitpick too much in this thread because it's a "positivity" thread, and I am optimistic about Embiid's injury, but I swear within 2 weeks you will have convinced yourself that Embiid's foot isn't really broken.