Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[sinsay]

Can somebody answer this question for me.

I have been wondering for yrs.

Why can't a NBA team pay an outside business like a restaurant or car dealership money to pay an player.

Say the Bulls pay 5 mil to a dealership and the dealership pays that 5 mil to Melo.

I remember the Joe Smith deal with the wolves yrs ago.

Difference is they paid Joe the money but kept it off the books.

This can be done without it being on the Bulls payroll.

They can even do the same for his wife with a production company.

The bulls can easily make the money back by raising the ticket prices as little as .75 cent.

[Mike K]

She has her reality show, and she's been in both "Think Like A Man" movies as well as that Paula Patton flick "Baggage Claim". I heard she's in a new series Starz series too. She keeps busy, has her own life and money which is cool.

I'd like to think that this is important in that they as a family aren't solely counting on Melo making as much money as he can to secure their lifestyle. They are both raking it in which means he could be more willing to leave some on the table without feeling like he's jeopardizing their future in some way.

Then again, I'm not a millionaire and can't possibly know how to think like one. $130m is a lot of money..

[Hokie]

The Knicks board is really bitter. Damn. C'mon guys, let's not be like that. We're all friends here.

They're also delusional as hell.

[Indomitable]

It's all good man.....LaLa doesn't go on Bulls forums. You can speak freely.

Lol...

I'm serious though. She's cool as hell, got a great personality, loves hip hop, and still keeps herself busy compared to just mooching off of her baller husband. I actually know who Lala is besides just being Melo's wife, that's probably a reassuring thing for her that people can say that.

Grade A wifey material right there.

*This opinion in no way reflects Bulls management or Players, so no need to feel disrespected Carmelo Anthony in case you're reading.

I love LaLa and she's gorgeous. I wonder if she tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios though.

*This opinion in no way reflects Bulls management or Players, so no need to feel disrespected Carmelo Anthony in case you're reading.

Dude drop it

[RedBulls23]

I know I may be alone, but if Carmelo were willing to take a 4 year 78 million dollar deal (19 million a season), I'd trade Taj, as well as MDJ, Boozer and Randolph to land him in an outright signing. You'd still have 5 million in capspace to offer Gasol or even Jordan Hill. No messing around with giving valuable assets to New York, and you can bring Mirotic over next summer.

PG-Rose/Hinrich (vet min)
SG-Butler/Snell
SF-Melo/McDermott
PF-Hill/Brand (vet min)/Bairstow
C-Noah/Kaman (BAE)/Smith

Isn't this a title contender? I understand the ideal scenario of landing Melo in a sign and trade. I want that too. But Houston couldn't pull it off last year with Dwight, and I'm not willing to lose Melo if New York flat out refuses to negotiate like the Lakers may have last off-season.

We're not trading Taj. There is a reason why he was part of the pitch. He's not going anywhere if or when we get Melo.

[Blount]

The Knicks board is really bitter. Damn. C'mon guys, let's not be like that. We're all friends here.

**** id be bitter too if the guy i had been rooting for is off talking to other teams.

But in the end both teams will move forward with their respective directions regardless of melo's decision. Our direction is brighter but hey...

This is hilarious. This is what Knicks fans think they are getting in a S&T without Boozer..

Gibson, Butler, Dougie McKnicks, Mirotic, Picks.

If he chooses Chicago, we come out with a 40 - 50 win team regardless.

The Knicks gutted their team for Melo in 2011 and they feel we should be as dumb as they were and do the same.

[grave]

Chris Palmer ‏@ChrisPalmerNBA now

Bulls perfect for Melo. 3 prime All-Stars + Butler, Taj, Thibs in weak East.

This.

Basically it's all about money vs winning (or at least deep playoff run - ECF at least on yearly basis)

[Keller61]

Let's be real, people spent the last 48 hours sullying Derrick's character and integrity over something that didn't even happen. I'm sorry, but folks deserve to get called out for that. As was reported, Derrick and his camp had already reached out to Melo, there was no reason to believe he wasn't part of the recruiting efforts just because of a generic, throw away line about not recruiting. It's all good though, glad Derrick, Jo and Taj stepped up, hopefully we see Melo in a Bulls uniform.

That's a load of bull. People reacted to a very poorly timed comment directly from his mouth. I firmly believe that all that outrage helped get him into the meetings today. Rose was killed all over the internet and radio for his comments. Now all of us here are Bulls fans, and everyone here wants what's best for this team - and what's best for the team is that Rose is part of it (on and off the court). To suggest that people get some sort of high from "sullying his character" is such a bad misrepresentation of this fan base. We're a passionate group. Let's not turn on each other with stupid accusations just because there is a disagreement.

Now we've heard that Rose not only showed up to the dinner, possibly worked out for Melo, and dropped by dinner. That's outstanding news and shows that he is firmly invested in the team's future. It's great to see that he made that effort, and it very well could be the difference.

I highly doubt that. Rose doesn't seem like a guy who cares what a bunch of idiots on the radio say about him. Besides, rumor is that he has been involved in the Melo courting process for a while.

[jc23]

Oh it ain't just Knicks fans, Miami fans starting to get a little paranoid too.

A gem from Insidehoops

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpo ... stcount=18

ya i know a few heat fans (born in 2010) and they are tripping out that they are not going to sign gortat and lowry to 5 million dollar deals

all the while not realizing they might get 1 or 2 more years of prime lebron.

They have basically gotten their pick of the liter the last 4 years so i must say this is nice. But free agency is not over and riley be doing them under the table type deals.

[I beg to differ]

Dougie McKnicks

heeeee eeeeell no

[Indomitable]

The Knicks board is delusional... I mean I don't blame them for being extremely upset at the situation (they gave up like all of their assets just a few years ago to get Melo, now he may bolt).

But they're talking about getting like every asset we have in a S&T just to save a little cap space, it's ridiculous. Quite a few people are saying they want: Mirotic, McDermott, Butler, Kings pick, 2 future firsts, and 2 future 2nd's AND we have to take back JR smith, essentially just so that we can offer Carmelo more money

They'll take the Kings pick and a few 2nd rounders and like it.

Screw them

[Hokie]

The Knicks gutted their team for Melo in 2011 and they feel we should be as dumb as they were and do the same.

Pretty much. I don't know if Melo will end up a Bull, but I do that board will be a wildly entertaining read if he does go somewhere else.

The amusing part is that even if he re-signs with New York they're still going to suck next year. Most of those guys just can't accept that the best thing for them to do is blow it up and start all over.

[ryan44]

Can somebody answer this question for me.

I have been wondering for yrs.

Why can't a NBA team pay an outside business like a restaurant or car dealership money to pay an player.

Say the Bulls pay 5 mil to a dealership and the dealership pays that 5 mil to Melo.

I remember the Joe Smith deal with the wolves yrs ago.

Difference is they paid Joe the money but kept it off the books.

This can be done without it being on the Bulls payroll.

They can even do the same for his wife with a production company.

The bulls can easily make the money back by raising the ticket prices as little as .75 cent.

Feel free to take your pick of how many ways the NBA would see that as circumvention. Technically, a team could go that route...as long as they don't get caught. Good luck with that given all the people/variables involved.

104. Can teams find loopholes in the CBA and do things the league never intended to allow? What is circumvention?

As any league executive will tell you, the CBA isn't a list of the things teams can't do, it's a list of the things teams can do. The league operates in a "disallow by default" mode -- actions are not allowed except where the CBA specifically permits them.

In other words, teams aren't allowed to put anything into a player's contract that wasn't negotiated between the league and players association and included in the CBA. For example, a team signing a known drug offender couldn't insist on a "one strike and you're out" agreement or that the player attend mandatory drug counseling -- instead they must follow the negotiated drug program (see question number 107).

The CBA also has a general prohibition on circumvention which states that the rules exist to preserve the benefit derived by the teams and players, and that nobody shall do anything to defeat or circumvent the intent of the agreement. The league can use this prohibition to disallow a trade that they feel circumvents the CBA, even though that trade is not specifically prohibited by the agreement.

Examples of conduct considered to be circumvention include:

A team owner allowing a player to invest in a business or investment fund controlled by the owner or a friend of the owner.
A team executive assisting a player in obtaining a product endorsement.
Any "under the table" promises for a future contract (see question number 31).
A team's arena renting retail space to a player on the team.
A team selling a sponsorship to a business in which a player has an interest.
A team hiring a player's relative or business partner as an employee.
A team owner allowing a player the use of his private plane.
A company affiliated with a team's owner making a home available to one of the team's players.

Whenever a contract is signed, extended, renegotiated or otherwise amended, the team, player, and player's agent must certify, under penalty of perjury, that there are no side agreements or understandings of any kind relating to:

Any future contract, or future extension, renegotiation or amendment of the player's current contract.
Any outside compensation, investment, business opportunity or anything else of value furnished to the player or any other person or entity controlled by, related to, or acting on behalf of the player.

The intent of these rules is to ensure that the only agreement from which either the player or the team can benefit is the current, signed player contract. The rules extend to sponsors, business partners and other team affiliates, and to player agents, representatives and family members.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q104

[Shill]

When did cap space become a panacea for all a team's problems?

The 2015 free agency pool isn't even mind-blowing.

[Indomitable]

Just got home from work and the sox game....wat i miss? Besides us getting to number 13 lol

Hope you enjoyed the sweep

Lmfao dont be childish now

I am a cub fan from a family of soxfans.

[sinsay]

Can somebody answer this question for me.

I have been wondering for yrs.

Why can't a NBA team pay an outside business like a restaurant or car dealership money to pay an player.

Say the Bulls pay 5 mil to a dealership and the dealership pays that 5 mil to Melo.

I remember the Joe Smith deal with the wolves yrs ago.

Difference is they paid Joe the money but kept it off the books.

This can be done without it being on the Bulls payroll.

They can even do the same for his wife with a production company.

The bulls can easily make the money back by raising the ticket prices as little as .75 cent.

Feel free to take your pick of how many ways the NBA would see that as circumvention. Technically, a team could go that route...as long as they don't get caught. Good luck with that given all the people/variables involved.

104. Can teams find loopholes in the CBA and do things the league never intended to allow? What is circumvention?

As any league executive will tell you, the CBA isn't a list of the things teams can't do, it's a list of the things teams can do. The league operates in a "disallow by default" mode -- actions are not allowed except where the CBA specifically permits them.

In other words, teams aren't allowed to put anything into a player's contract that wasn't negotiated between the league and players association and included in the CBA. For example, a team signing a known drug offender couldn't insist on a "one strike and you're out" agreement or that the player attend mandatory drug counseling -- instead they must follow the negotiated drug program (see question number 107).

The CBA also has a general prohibition on circumvention which states that the rules exist to preserve the benefit derived by the teams and players, and that nobody shall do anything to defeat or circumvent the intent of the agreement. The league can use this prohibition to disallow a trade that they feel circumvents the CBA, even though that trade is not specifically prohibited by the agreement.

Examples of conduct considered to be circumvention include:

A team owner allowing a player to invest in a business or investment fund controlled by the owner or a friend of the owner.
A team executive assisting a player in obtaining a product endorsement.
Any "under the table" promises for a future contract (see question number 31).
A team's arena renting retail space to a player on the team.
A team selling a sponsorship to a business in which a player has an interest.
A team hiring a player's relative or business partner as an employee.
A team owner allowing a player the use of his private plane.
A company affiliated with a team's owner making a home available to one of the team's players.

Whenever a contract is signed, extended, renegotiated or otherwise amended, the team, player, and player's agent must certify, under penalty of perjury, that there are no side agreements or understandings of any kind relating to:

Any future contract, or future extension, renegotiation or amendment of the player's current contract.
Any outside compensation, investment, business opportunity or anything else of value furnished to the player or any other person or entity controlled by, related to, or acting on behalf of the player.

The intent of these rules is to ensure that the only agreement from which either the player or the team can benefit is the current, signed player contract. The rules extend to sponsors, business partners and other team affiliates, and to player agents, representatives and family members.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q104

Thanks for the reply.

With that said i don't think it has to be a lot of variables.

The Bulls owner and the outside business owner.

JR goes to said owner business and gives him the money.

Said owner calls Melo agents says i want Melo to do a commercial for 5 mil.

No one even Melo has to really know at the end of the day the money came from the Bulls.

For that matter Garpax does not even have to know.

Said owner gets a free endorsement.

Melo gets him money.

Bulls get the player.

[Seccci]

Bulls get a 3 way involved, send the Kings pick and their 2015 to Philly to take on Boozer, Bulls trade Nikola and Mike to NY.

inside source? or just your opinion. we want info man we hungry

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Melo is gonna get the red carpet treatment on each of his next visits. I hope we left a good enough impression on him that keeps us on his mind

[MoneyMitch]

I'm avoiding the Knicks thread on Melo

I always get banned when discussing him

[kulaz3000]

Chris Palmer ‏@ChrisPalmerNBA now

Bulls perfect for Melo. 3 prime All-Stars + Butler, Taj, Thibs in weak East.

This.

Basically it's all about money vs winning (or at least deep playoff run - ECF at least on yearly basis)

That weak East comment was unnecessary though, a starting line up for Noah, Gibson, Melo, Butler and Rose can take on anyone in either conference. That's as balanced of a starting line up as I've ever seen on paper at least ever.